The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

[Drew Ott]

stolen from Drew! hahahahahaha :evil:


So not cool....

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

If you want it back, I can give it to you, but then I'd be taking stoiga's 100th page victory away... what to do....?

Haha, I see you've taken matters into your own hands :beer: Or is that Stoiga at work?

[stoiqa]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/1344472184_b3d780eed3_m.jpg

[stoiqa]

Hehehe!!!

It`s official....you can run the race afterwards, if you like...I`m still drinking my beer.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

To Dave:

Here is another time I got some clarification on the shutter issue (shutter speed and rolling shutter): It was page 55 of this thread:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=145435&page=55

[dave12781]

So... if the wobble can't be minimized by using higher shutter speed... does anyone actually still want this camera? If the rolling shutter is consistent, then that means that even if you took a still with a fast moving object in the foreground... it would be distorted. Boo.

[dave12781]

And... if what they say in the forum from the EX1 is correct, and cmos chips typically take 1/60th of a second to roll the shutter then... shooting at a lower shutter speed and increasing the iso speed would minimize the appearance because the time it would take for the top row of pixels to finish it exposure before the bottom row had started would be increase.

That seems logical, but that would increase the image smear.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

So... if the wobble can't be minimized by using higher shutter speed... does anyone actually still want this camera? If the rolling shutter is consistent, then that means that even if you took a still with a fast moving object in the foreground... it would be distorted. Boo.

I don't think the photography aspect of the camera utilizes a rolling shutter. My guess.

[bearing]

When taking stills it probably uses a global reset, then opens and closes the shutter, then reads the image.

[dave12781]

How about this though... if the roll is constant, and not effected by the shutter's speed what you're saying is: The amount of time each row of pixels is exposed is what we're selecting as the "shutter speed" That isn't shutter speed that is ISO speed.

The ISO speed on a video camera like the EX1 is constant, you're simply increasing the shutter speed, gain, or fstop when you expose it. With a digital slr, you can also increase or decrease the iso speed...

[bearing]

No, the ISO speed is the equvivalent to Gain on a video camera. Lowest ISO is about no Gain, dubbling the ISO is like adding 6 dB Gain.

[boo]

exposure jumps? what do you mean exposure jumps? i don't see any exposure changing?!

http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=ab3bebeb36b12764d1eab72cc81e8aa9f82aaeb5 :)

[dave12781]

Ok well in that case... would a higher shutter speed then make the seperation between the exposure of the top pixel row, and the bottom pixel row more apparent? For instants... assuming the roll is 1/60 of a second, and you're open to... let's say 1/2000 shutter... wouldn't the scan lines then be noticeable?

[dave12781]

Exposure jumps in that video, dude... but what isn't consistent is the image wobble.

[dave12781]

Moreover, if it is just the nature of the roll to be consistent... how did RED prove the skew of their camera? Increase the speed of the roll is the only way that would make sense given your logic, and that couldn't be possible either given your logic.

[Car3o]

Because RED just announced they know how do get shit done.

[PappasArts]

exposure jumps? what do you mean exposure jumps? i don't see any exposure changing?!

http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=ab3bebeb36b12764d1eab72cc81e8aa9f82aaeb5 :)


Good find. It would be nice to see it in HD though...

As for exposure changes. The D90 is auto mode. Wait tell the right people get a hold of it.


The long shots of the boats look nice. Also super wide, Sweet, Were gonna see a lot of close up shots as the caterpillar shot demonstrates coming from the D90.....

[John Caballero]

There are jumps, but again was he aware at the time of the situation and locked exposure? That we don't know. If he did and it kept jumping then there is a problem, if he didn't.... The image was pretty steady and the close-ups looked great. I was waiting for those since he reviewed the camera in The Times and was very positive about it.

[dave12781]

Because RED just announced they know how do get shi* done.

That wouldn't make sense given the laws of physics. There HAS to be a setting that will allow you to minimize the impact of the rolling shutter on the image.

[boo]

Exposure jumps in that video, dude... but what isn't consistent is the image wobble.

i know it does jump...but my point was, when creating a film, who is your target audience? 1000's of filmmakers(your peers), or millions of people(everyone else)?

i just had my wife, brother and daughter look at the clip and they didn't notice any exposure changing. =P

[John Caballero]

Exactly. The audience is the only thing that matters. Hunter and others have played with the footage available and have done very good corrections to it. I am sure there is a lot of great stuff to come.
The thing is that films today are done with so many wacky takes that most people don't know whats done intentionally or not. Shaky camera work, weird color renditions, grain, fast pans, slow pans. There is so much visually going on in many films, series and especially music videos that the public doesn't even register it all or don't really care.

[dave12781]

Ummm... A problem is a problem is a problem. Most people don't notice the sunglasses on the soldiers in Braveheart... but it still makes me laugh. ;-)

[PappasArts]

For those that haven't seen it.

Mark Kettenhofen & Mark Suban shot this with the Nikon D90 in Golden Colorado, Aug 2008 while mountain biking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5DD0QaMUKA&fmt=18


.

[Car3o]

Can you message those guys to see if they have the full res version? I"m at work and can't get on youtube or else I would.

[stoiqa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzfXUq38eFU&feature=related

DOF on this thing is just amazing.

3days and counting .

[bearing]

Moreover, if it is just the nature of the roll to be consistent... how did RED prove the skew of their camera? Increase the speed of the roll is the only way that would make sense given your logic, and that couldn't be possible either given your logic.

Maybe Red made a firmware update that increased the readout frequency. I think designer normally use the highest possible frequency to minimize the rolling shutter effect. Red designers may have started with a lower frequency since it creates less heat and possibly less noise.

[Car3o]

bearing, maybe you can create a firmware update for the d90...say everyone here who buys this camera chips in 5bux for you. yeah???

[bearing]

bearing, maybe you can create a firmware update for the d90...say everyone here who buys this camera chips in 5bux for you. yeah???
lol

5k from everyone, then maybe I can bribe myself into a leading position in nikons development facility and make some poor guy do an update for car3os D90, which has got gaffer tape glue marks around the ae-l button.

[Car3o]

Is that USD or EUR?

[Zak Forsman]

lol

5k from everyone, then maybe I can bribe myself into a leading position in nikons development facility and make some poor guy do an update for car3os D90, which has got gaffer tape glue marks around the ae-l button.
good. so you're on board then.

[frisco]

exposure jumps? what do you mean exposure jumps? i don't see any exposure changing?!

http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=ab3bebeb36b12764d1eab72cc81e8aa9f82aaeb5 :)

OMG!!! That shot with the 400mm !!!!

frisco

[hunter richards]

I officially have my money set aside for the d90 kit, this Sunday I am going to Circuit City. Anyone want to have a d90 race? Zak? Kholi?

First person to buy the camera, test the specs, and make a film with it and uploads it wins manual mode?

For the unbelievers:
Honestly, why is it so hard to believe that the d90 has a manual mode? Haven't multiple people with multiple reference stated that the exposure is lockable? Have I been imagining it? Is it possible that the people shooting all of these videos use auto-exposure and that none of them have experience in cinematography or video?

[Drew Ott]

I officially have my money set aside for the d90 kit, this Sunday I am going to Circuit City. Anyone want to have a d90 race? Zak? Kholi?

First person to buy the camera, test the specs, and make a film with it and uploads it wins manual mode?

For the unbelievers:
Honestly, why is it so hard to believe that the d90 has a manual mode? Haven't multiple people with multiple reference stated that the exposure is lockable? Have I been imagining it? Is it possible that the people shooting all of these videos use auto-exposure and that none of them have experience in cinematography or video?

You're on.

Serious film, or just upload test footage?

[dual]

@ryan

Screencaps of Canon 40D video out:

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=momo1az9.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=momo2ax2.jpg

[lisa hayse]

Winning Title: to answer all these asumptions.

D90 MythBuster!!!

Sunday!! it's On.


Also the finder of the lowest price winner.
Though that might be pretty tough because the price I believe is set.

[John Caballero]

I believe, I believe! Even before you posted Hunter I've heard the rumors and was looking for days for a release day and then voila! it was announced. I have big plans for the still photography knowing that is going to be superb and I sincerely hope the motion capture works out also. It has been an exciting bunch of days.

[John Caballero]

Price can't be set by manufacturer, its against the law. It is a suggested retail price for the retailers to decide which price they want to sell it for, lower or higher. I would be worried about the lower price unless you are sure of the retailer.

[hunter richards]

You're on.

Serious film, or just upload test footage?


I say "serious" film as in tell a story. That would be really fun. and with that said...

Announcing d90user racefest 08!

Requirements:

1.You must shoot on the d90
2.Must be a narrative type film, not test footage
3.You must include a d90 box in at least one scene in the film
4.You must upload the film to vimeo in HD and post a link on this thread
5.You can only start production when the D90 is sold in the US (ex. when Circuit City has them in stock)

The first 5 people to shoot a film with the d90, upload their film and meet the requirements will get to have their films voted on who was best. Votes can be cast as comments on Vimeo

24 hours after the last uploaded film (of the 5 who do it first) the votes will be counted and the winner will receive the title of

"THE FIRST BESTEST FASTEST D90USER FILMMAKER IN THE WORLD EVARRRRRR!"

and you will be world famous.

Does that sound good? Who's in? Should I expand the number of entries allowed?

[Zak Forsman]

personally, my concern stems from the fact that that even the people who have stated exposure is lockable, have not give us "locked" footage. believe me. beeeeeeelieeeeeeeeve me i want this to be solid because i'm likely shooting a feature with it during the first two weeks of october.

[hunter richards]

Or just the first person to shoot a film with it and post a link wins? Thats kinda boring though and your film could be horrible and you would still win...

[Car3o]

In....I was the second guy to post in this forum, and will at least be the 2nd guy to buy the d90

[lisa hayse]

Sounds great Hunter. Very ambitious.
First, I just want to see all thoes questions answered at
different settings, lightings and motion by us here in the forum
with tons of examples.


After your Mini Filmfest.
Lets see a fully pimped out D90 contest.

[Zak Forsman]

how about a special "first person to shoot without exposure jumps award"!

[Car3o]

Well, I can tell you I'll be the first to offically see the D90 before you guys on the West, if it comes out on Sunday.

[hunter richards]

personally, my concern stems from the fact that that even the people who have stated exposure is lockable, have not give us "locked" footage. believe me. beeeeeeelieeeeeeeeve me i want this to be solid because i'm likely shooting a feature with it during the first two weeks of october.

I have got good news for you Zak. Go back to the footage from Japan (inside the building) notice the flicker in the first few seconds. Then notice how he pans for the rest of the video. When he is panning past the white wall with the bright window in the back, the exposure doesn't jump at all (even though it looks 1+stop over exposed)

Watch it a few times and you will believe again!


P.s. Even though I have a red package, I am hoping to use a few of these to shoot a feature too in October...

[hunter richards]

Just checking, are we sure the camera is coming out this sunday? As in 100% sure?

[DM_rider]

Just checking, are we sure the camera is coming out this sunday? As in 100% sure?

I did some google searching and have confirmed that it does.

[hunter richards]

how about a special "first person to shoot without exposure jumps award"!

Consider that official!

"The first bestest fastest person to shoot without exposure jumps award in the world with the D90 EVARRRRR!" Award

[hunter richards]

thanks

[DM_rider]

thanks

but, not sure if all stores will be getting them. I just found a site where someone posted a best buy store inventory screen with the D90 said to be released on the 7th. I guess we'll find out on the 7th?

[hunter richards]

Well both bestbuy and circuit city are in the same area for me, I will just try both.

[DM_rider]

Here is the link Hunter

http://danstechnstuff.com/2008/08/13/nikon-d90-shows-up-in-best-buy-inventory-screen/

[DM_rider]

I'm so tempted to put one of these on the card... I'm gonna have to give it to a friend to hang onto for a few weeks...

[Omar Casasola]

Why not increase it to ten contestants?

[Car3o]

Yeah, Best Buy, Ritz and Circuit City are all walking distance. I'm bringing a Flash Card, just in case I don't buy the camera....recording it and bringing it home and uploading. All at 8am the morning. Giving me a 3hr head start.

[hunter richards]

Why not increase it to ten contestants?

I was actually just thinking of something better:

Anyone who uploads their film by 12:00pm Pacific time on Sunday the 7th and meets the requirements can play. Does that sound good?

[Zak Forsman]

Why not increase it to ten contestants?

more than five and we might overheat. j/k


hunter i checked out that video. and i'm a believer.

[Car3o]

This could quite possibly be the longest thread ever. With a fest inside of a thread...unlimited possibilities

[Car3o]

And if I get this and it turns out to what most of us hope for....Twilight will be filmed on this.....maybe...still gotta get the field recorder.

[hunter richards]

more than five and we might overheat. j/k


hunter i checked out that video. and i'm a believer.


Yee haw!

[Kholi]

I wonder which one is gonna be the cheaper place to go with. BB will probably be my choice because I'll get the points for the big purchase.

Any news on Nikon PR today? Gonna be funny if a larger one drops with better video out the gate!!

[Car3o]

Anyone think the lens that comes with the body worth keeping?

[lisa hayse]

Longest Thread in History, and Sunday is just the Start.
My Circuity City better have it in stock like their website says.

This D90 needs a new forum all to itself with test footage, easy workflow,
editing programs, codec, and ofcouse Pimp my D90 baby.

[Zak Forsman]

i have a D40 that came with an 18mm-55mm and a 55mm-200mm with VR. they're... okay. the bokeh produced is oval rather than circular. my nikon primes have ruined me.

[John Caballero]

Wow guys! You are on fire!!!

[lisa hayse]

#1066 post and counting

Keep this train going until the fire chief makes a new organized forum.

[Texanite]

For the unbelievers:
Honestly, why is it so hard to believe that the d90 has a manual mode?

Why the strawman argument? Why not just let this be? Why accuse people who disagree with you of something that's simply not true. Nobody's saying that it doesn't HAVE a manual mode. Jeezus, give me a break.


Haven't multiple people with multiple reference stated that the exposure is lockable? Have I been imagining it? Is it possible that the people shooting all of these videos use auto-exposure and that none of them have experience in cinematography or video?

Saved for absolute ridiculousness factor. You really think the people shooting the ads for Nkon don't know how to use the camera? Really? That's your best rationalization of why there are exposure jumps throughout their ad? Seriously?

Give it a rest. Nobody's debating whether or not there's a manual mode on the camera or a button that's for 'exposure lock'.

[John Caballero]

AE-L
AF-LAuto Exposure and Auto Focus Lock
http://a.img-dpreview.com/images/one.gif
Pressing this button locks the current exposure and focus, they remain locked for as long as you hold the button even if you press or release the shutter release button. The exact function of this button can be set via CSM f4.


I was reading thru the dpreview for the camera and in the auto lock spec the above info was given. It doesn't say anything about working for the DMovie but what I am curious is what the heck does "set via CSM f4" mean? May this be what the Nikon rep was talking about? I could not find what it was anywhere.

[Car3o]

Is there a trick to get good slow motion with only 24fps? That's the ONLY downfall for me.

[Car3o]

chirp*chirp*chirp*....anyway...I guess all the west coast guys went to bed...just hanging out in here by myself...so I decided to uprez our Penguin to 1080p for you guys. I would've put it on vimeo, but it's bailed one me twice so far. So here it is. D/l away. And I can't really say I see a difference because my monitor is only 20inches and I don't have big screens like you guys, but for what I've seen without squishing it, looks good.

http://www.adrive.com/public/598a8ed3635a8eaa3919bb00f431312a5dddc61ee028b3d168 70c45d7a1b82b7.html

[John Caballero]

Check this site for a lot of info on MJPEG:

http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/ (http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/)

[John Caballero]

From Morgan-multimedia.com:
http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/images/Gribouilli_noir.gifM-JPEG : Motion JPEG or Moving JPEG
Most PC analog video capture and editing systems, capture video to AVI files using Motion JPEG video compression.
In Motion JPEG, each video frame is compressed separately using the JPEG still image compression standard.
No frame differencing or motion estimation is used to compress the images. This makes frame accurate editing without any loss of image quality during the editing possible.
M-JPEG is also used for recording sequences of pictures on digital cameras, webcams, videoconference and surveillances systems.


Just like I said before and somebody came along and corrected me with his own version, incorrect as this shows. This is from a place with real knowledge on the matter.

[DM_rider]

Is there a trick to get good slow motion with only 24fps? That's the ONLY downfall for me.

eh, simply put, no. 24p slowed down does not look to great. 60p or 60i is what you need to shoot to get a good slow down.

[PappasArts]

Can you message those guys to see if they have the full res version? I"m at work and can't get on youtube or else I would.

I don't have an email or link to these guys to do so. I wish we could see a HD version though.

[TrueIndigo]

Wow, when do you guys sleep or go to work? I'm currently unemployed and I still can't keep up with these posts! Really caught the excitement of the week (waiting for this thing to come out). Can't remember the last time I felt the same anticipation -- perhaps it was a few decades ago on Christmas eve. We already know there are a few compromises with this first one, but I think we're more intrigued by what it represents and what may follow (perhaps even before the year is out). Really looking forward to reading what you guys say about this camera next week; surely the forum needs a new section to accommodate this sort of stuff (called something like “DSLR video”).

[Lee Wilson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzfXUq38eFU&feature=related

DOF on this thing is just amazing.

3days and counting .

Nice DOF, but there seems to be a rolling pulsing effect in the background of the shot.

[Lee Wilson]

I say "serious" film as in tell a story. That would be really fun. and with that said...

Announcing d90user racefest 08!

Requirements:

1.You must shoot on the d90
2.Must be a narrative type film, not test footage
3.You must include a d90 box in at least one scene in the film
4.You must upload the film to vimeo in HD and post a link on this thread
5.You can only start production when the D90 is sold in the US (ex. when Circuit City has them in stock)

The first 5 people to shoot a film with the d90, upload their film and meet the requirements will get to have their films voted on who was best. Votes can be cast as comments on Vimeo

24 hours after the last uploaded film (of the 5 who do it first) the votes will be counted and the winner will receive the title of

"THE FIRST BESTEST FASTEST D90USER FILMMAKER IN THE WORLD EVARRRRRR!"

and you will be world famous.

Does that sound good? Who's in? Should I expand the number of entries allowed?











To add:

Requirements:

1.You must shoot on the d90
2.Must be a narrative type film, not test footage
3.You must include a d90 box in at least one scene in the film
4.You must upload the film to vimeo in HD and post a link on this thread
5.You can only start production when the D90 is sold in the US (ex. when Circuit City has them in stock)
6.There must be no perceivable inter-shot exposure jumps.

:)

[frisco]

You guys sure about the date?

Official release date in Japan is Sept. 19th

frisco

[bearing]

In Sweden it's the 19:th as well.

[Lee Wilson]

Why the strawman argument? Why not just let this be? Why accuse people who disagree with you of something that's simply not true. Nobody's saying that it doesn't HAVE a manual mode. Jeezus, give me a break.



Saved for absolute ridiculousness factor. You really think the people shooting the ads for Nkon don't know how to use the camera? Really? That's your best rationalization of why there are exposure jumps throughout their ad? Seriously?

Give it a rest. Nobody's debating whether or not there's a manual mode on the camera or a button that's for 'exposure lock'.

:) LOL !!

I too was going to charge Mr Richards with a Strawman !

And it wouldn't be the first in this thread: "Why is it that when a small American company tries to make an affordable digital cinema camera, they get flogged."

Watch it Mr Richards, the logical fallacy police are watching you ! :) ;P

[Lee Wilson]

I was reading thru the dpreview for the camera and in the auto lock spec the above info was given. It doesn't say anything about working for the DMovie but what I am curious is what the heck does "set via CSM f4" mean? May this be what the Nikon rep was talking about? I could not find what it was anywhere.


It's a menu, perhaps 'Camera Settings Menu'.

[Lee Wilson]

Is there a trick to get good slow motion with only 24fps? That's the ONLY downfall for me.

Pixel motion in After Effects is pretty stunning for slow motion for a non- slow motion source.

Also see Twixtor.

[Lee Wilson]

Just like I said before and somebody came along and corrected me with his own version, incorrect as this shows. This is from a place with real knowledge on the matter.

That would be me - and you are still wrong ! :)

Don't take my word, take Wikipedia's:

Motion JPEG uses intraframe coding technology that is very similar in technology to the I-frame part of video coding standards such as MPEG-1 and MPEG-2, but does not use interframe prediction. The lack of use of interframe prediction results in a loss of compression capability, but eases video editing, since simple edits can be performed at any frame when all frames are I-frames. Video coding formats such as MPEG-2 can also be used in such an I-frame only fashion to provide similar compression capability and similar ease of editing features.

[bearing]

There are two similar words describing different compression methods.

From wikipedia:

Intraframe vs interframe compression

One of the most powerful techniques for compressing video is interframe compression. Interframe compression uses one or more earlier or later frames in a sequence to compress the current frame, while intraframe compression uses only the current frame, which is effectively image compression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression#Intraframe_vs_interframe_compres sion

[Zak Forsman]

i have a forum that hasn't gone public yet. but i filled out a Nikon D90 section with sub-forums for test footage, shorts, workflow, etc. i think by the 7th could fill out quickly. anyway, if you guys want to use it, great! if not, no biggie.

cinefist.com/forum (http://cinefist.com/forum)

the site is still being developed and is a work in progress, but it's there if you want it.

[Madmanden]

It's a menu, perhaps 'Camera Settings Menu'.
Perhaps 'Custom Settings Menu'?

And who's the joker who put "exposure problems" as a tag??

[stoiqa]

Tags are funny & camera is not even out yet.....wonder when is gonna come out.

d90 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/tags.php?tag=d90), exposure problems (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/tags.php?tag=exposure+problems), no problems whatsoever!!! (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/tags.php?tag=no+problems+whatsoever%21%21%21), rolling shutter (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/tags.php?tag=rolling+shutter)


We are D90 Generation !

[John Caballero]

That would be me - and you are still wrong ! :)


Check it out here:
http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/technicalsV3.htm (http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/technicalsV3.htm)

Well, this guys are in the business of everything MJPEG, so you have to tell them they are wrong and to get out of the business. They'll problably have a good laugh at your expense. Wikipedia by the way have plenty of stuff that is wrong, basically because they have people contributing stuff to it that is wrong in the first place.

BTW: Where has Mr. Barry Green gone? Is he on vacation or shooting at an exotic location? Can he be reached and be asked about MJPEG compression? He IS the book!

[John Caballero]

From Panasonics FAQ on the HVX 200


What is the difference between DVCPRO HD and HDV?

There are several fundamental differences between the two technologies. DVCPRO HD uses intraframe compression, which means every frame is compressed, recorded and edited independently. HDV uses long Groups Of Pictures frame compression that interpolates presumed frames and is not frame independent. This is of critical importance during the editing process and in general requires rendering.

Intraframe is the same method used with MJPEG isn't it? When you record 720PN in the HVX you are recording only 24 unique FPS with no pulldown or anything. And that is what MJPEG does with the 24 frames in the D90.


Perhaps 'Custom Settings Menu'?


Custom Settings Menu it is madmanden.

[John Caballero]

Ok guys is official: I can't sleep more than three hours anymore, I guess the D90 virus. Anyway, I am learning so much about my D40X it is unbelievable. I found the Custom Settings Menu, it was there all this time and I was neglecting it badly. To get the AF-L and AE-L options setting you first have to expand the options with another setting. Once you do that you get options 12 and 13 that deal with this. I tried it and yes it works! One of the settings allows you to press the AF-L/AE-L button and it locks the exposure until you press again. I tried with shutter priority and worked fine. Lets us all hope and pray together that this is the way it works in the D90 also and solves the flickering issue in the movie mode. If not.....

[Norbert]

I tried a few things with my D80. I set it to manual mode, dial in the shutter speed and aperture I want and then press the AE-L button to lock it. I then switch to auto mode (to simulate switching to D-movie mode on D90). The problem is, AE-L doesn't stay locked when I switch to auto. I hope it does when switching to D-move mode on the D90. Otherwise it will be a hassle changing the exposure "on the fly". You'd have to find something to point the camera at that gives you the exact values you want. On the HV20 for example, you can at least lock exposure and then change it to whatever you want while it's locked. Ideas?

[John Caballero]

I did not tried it that way because I does not work that way. Auto exposure is set when the camera is in any of the auto modes. It reads the exposure then you lock that exposure. The second you move the mode's button and change it to something else the locked exposure releases. If you put the camera in manual it means manual. You set it manually! If you then change it all of your manual settings are gone! So, if the movie mode does not work in manual mode the only logical way is it sets to either auto on S, (shutter priority), or A (aperture priority). After that you would have to frame the scene, lock the exposure, then start shooting. It should not be more complicated than that, we hope.

[Norbert]

I hope so too, but never mind, I just remembered that a manual lens doesn't communicate with the house. So if D-movie mode means auto-everything then all you have to do is point the camera at something that gives you the shutter speed you want, lock it and dial in your aperture with the lens. But still, it would be nice to be able to have shutter priority in D-movie mode.

Sorry to bring this up again. :P This is hopefully my last post on the exposure subject.

[John Caballero]

Its ok to talk about this still. I don't know about dialing in the aperture because that is locked along with the shutter priority, (S in the mode dial button), in the first place with digital lenses. I don't know if it would work with any of the Nikon manual lenses.

[Norbert]

Right. Neither auto, shutter priority or aperture priority seem to work with a manual lens. It seems like the only mode that works with a manual lens is the manual mode. So, if D-movie mode can't be all manual we can't use a manual lens?

[John Caballero]

I tried a manual lens yesterday and the camera would not work at all. It said "no lens attached" in the back screen. I don't know if any certain type of manual lens would work with it at all.

[darst]

what would be a good zoom lens for this for video work... I have a set of these already: 28, 35, 50, 85, 105

Thanks!

[frisco]

what would be a good zoom lens for this for video work... I have a set of these already: 28, 35, 50, 85, 105

Thanks!

Not an easy question to answer these days..... There are short zooms (17-35)..... medium range zooms(24-70).....longer zooms (80-200)

These might be Canon numbers, But I'm sure Nikon has similar ranges.

frisco

[shaocaholica]

I tried a few things with my D80. I set it to manual mode, dial in the shutter speed and aperture I want and then press the AE-L button to lock it. I then switch to auto mode (to simulate switching to D-movie mode on D90).

AFAIK, this is NOT how you get into D-movie mode with the D90. With the D90, you can be in any mode including manual and then in order to record a video, you simply hit the "live view" button to go into live view and then hit another button to start recording the video (not the shutter release button).

The D-Movie mode is NOT something you select with the top mode dial.

[shaocaholica]

what would be a good zoom lens for this for video work... I have a set of these already: 28, 35, 50, 85, 105

Thanks!

If you want an all purpose lens, I would wait for the Tamron 18-270 VC (stabilized). Its based on the Tamron 18-250 which has received very good reviews for a super zoom.

I'm not sure if you need a super sharp lens for video since 720p is a very low res for even the softest of lenses. Your prime set should be fine really. You just might want to get something wider than 28.

Perhaps one of the Tamron/Sigma 17-50/2.8 or the new Tamron 10-24.

[Norbert]

The D-Movie mode is NOT something you select with the top mode dial.I know, I just wanted to see how the camera behaves when everything is on auto, in case D-Movie mode makes everything auto.

[soeborg]

107 People viewing the 35mm Adapter sub forum :> I wonder how many are in this thread.

Only 23 ppl viewing the DVX camera forum :D

[John Caballero]

AFAIK, this is NOT how you get into D-movie mode with the D90. With the D90, you can be in any mode including manual and then in order to record a video, you simply hit the "live view" button to go into live view and then hit another button to start recording the video (not the shutter release button).

The D-Movie mode is NOT something you select with the top mode dial.

That is fine but the question is once you are in DMovie mode what are your auto exposure options as far as Shutter Priority or Aperture Priority is concerned. It is very important to be able to have the Shutter Priority option available. It could very well be that this two options might be set from that top ring also. We don't know for sure.
What we were also discussing was the option to lock the exposure and apparently there are two ways to do that.

[hunter richards]

Why the strawman argument? Why not just let this be? Why accuse people who disagree with you of something that's simply not true. Nobody's saying that it doesn't HAVE a manual mode. Jeezus, give me a break.



Saved for absolute ridiculousness factor. You really think the people shooting the ads for Nkon don't know how to use the camera? Really? That's your best rationalization of why there are exposure jumps throughout their ad? Seriously?

Give it a rest. Nobody's debating whether or not there's a manual mode on the camera or a button that's for 'exposure lock'.


Youll be sorry Texanite! Youll be sorry! You may have just lost your membership in the d90 cult...

[John Caballero]

Oh! Oh!

[hunter richards]

Give it a rest. Nobody's debating whether or not there's a manual mode on the camera or a button that's for 'exposure lock'.

Have I been imagining the last 40+ pages of this thread?

[ryan brown]

I think what he's trying to say is that, YES, we know there is a button to lock exposure, but does that, in fact, actually lock everything down, including matrix metering?

The matrix metering tries to compensate the highlights and darks just a bit, even with the exposure set.

I give up on all the nonsense arguments anyway. I'm buying one hopefully on Sunday, and I'll be joining you in your little D90 Festival:thumbup:

[John Caballero]

The Matrix Metering provides the exposure that you lock. Why would it do anything to it after it is locked? It would defeat the pourpose of locking it I would think.

[hunter richards]

I give up on all the nonsense arguments anyway. I'm buying one hopefully on Sunday, and I'll be joining you in your little D90 Festival:thumbup:

Word. This will be fun. Too bad we cant get nikon to sponsor it... Maybe the next one?

[bearing]

I tried a manual lens yesterday and the camera would not work at all. It said "no lens attached" in the back screen. I don't know if any certain type of manual lens would work with it at all.

Since there are no electronics in a manual lens the camera can't know if there is a lens attached or not. Manual mode (for stills) works however (even without a lens attached). Don't know if that will ruin the possibility to use manual lenses in D-movie mode since that mode is using auto features.

I read once that there are people who modify manual Canon lenses by adding an electronic circuit to fool the camera that they are of the modern autofocus type, thus enabling some features such as the in-focus indicator. Maybe such mods can be made for Nikon equipment as well. That would make it possible to use manual lenses in movie mode if that wasn't already the case.

[soeborg]

Hi i was just wondering if the rolling shutter is caused by exposure lock?? And can the exposure in fact be locked? Imagine if they had a button for it! =)

[bearing]

I think the cameraman can compensate for the rolling shutter effect by making a roll in the opposite direction every once in a while.

[Texanite]

I think what he's trying to say is that, YES, we know there is a button to lock exposure, but does that, in fact, actually lock everything down, including matrix metering?

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!





I don't think the question is whether or not there is a button that is intended to lock the exposure, the question is whether or not that exposure locking button ACTUALLY completely, totally, 100% all the time, always, in every frame prevents the exposure from changing.


Nobody's saying that it doesn't HAVE a manual mode.


Nobody's debating whether or not there's a manual mode on the camera or a button that's for 'exposure lock'.

[Barry_Green]

BTW: Where has Mr. Barry Green gone? Is he on vacation or shooting at an exotic location? Can he be reached and be asked about MJPEG compression? He IS the book!
Sorry, yes, I'm somewhat disappeared but do try to keep up.

MJPEG is indeed an intraframe-only compression system. It's old, old, old technology, long since surpassed. MJPEG precedes DV; DV is a significantly advanced video editing codec over MJPEG and DV's 13+ years old. MJPEG is "motion JPEG" and it basically amounts to a series of individual JPEG frames, as opposed to even MPEG-1, which was a codec designed specifically for video; I haven't compared but I'd imagine you'd get better-looking video out of even MPEG-1 than you would out of MJPEG. At the bitrates you guys are talking about, and the efficiency of the codec, I would expect it to be pretty rough looking as compared to a modern codec. You can't compare MJPEG with MPEG-2 even; MPEG-2 is significantly better quality at comparable bitrates, even without the interframe compression possibilities; i-frame-only MPEG-2 would look better than MJPEG at any comparable bitrates.

I would imagine that the reason this Nikon is using MJPEG is because they already have a JPEG engine in there for the still frames, and MJPEG is basically a tiny software modification from that. It's certainly not chosen for quality.

But, hey, we're only three days from having some of our more skilled members getting their hands on it, so let's see what their real-world results are (and full high-res grabs from video).

[hunter richards]

You only need to keep really the rolling shutter in mind for 2 things:

1. When shooting under any lights that pulse (florescents, HMIs,ect.) You need to make sure your camera is set to a shutter speed that fits your countries electronic frequency to avoid rolling artifacts in exposure (1/60th is a safe bet in North America, or 1/50th across the Atlantic) When shooting with day light, it doesn't matter what your shutter is at.

2. Whip pans and shaky handheld work might make the rolling shutter stand out. If you can be graceful with the camera, no one will ever notice it.

You can use the AE-L button to lock your exposure in d-movie mode. There is a menu setting that lets you press the AE-L button once to lock it and press it again to release the lock.

[hunter richards]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Why didnt you say so?:beer:

[John Sandel]

Since there are no electronics in a manual lens the camera can't know if there is a lens attached or not. Manual mode (for stills) works however … Maybe … mods can … make it possible to use manual lenses in movie mode if that wasn't already the case.

OK, I have very little experience with dSLRs (I'm old). It seems odd to me that an OEM would not include mechanical couplings in a stills lens-mount so a modern auto-everything cam would at least *operate* with a manual lens attached, but whatever …

I also learned, several hundred pages ago, in this thread, not to ask too-specific questions about the D90, since none of us have one, so I'll restrict my query to users of, say D80s or earlier cams:

If an automatic lens must be attached to get the cam to shoot, is it at least possible to go to full manual on the cam body? If so, what would be the advantage of using a manual lens? Better physical control over focus, etc?

[hunter richards]

I have used older non-af nikkor lenses on a d70, d200 and the fuji s pro series cameras, they do work, but only in M mode and you loose metering functions.

[bearing]

If an automatic lens must be attached to get the cam to shoot, is it at least possible to go to full manual on the cam body? If so, what would be the advantage of using a manual lens? Better physical control over focus, etc?Yes, you can on my D40 and I assume every other digital Nikon.

For me it's an economic question. I have some manual lenses and it seems like a waste of money to buy big expensive auto focus lenses since we still can't (or doesn't want to) use auto focus. =)

And, if there isn't possible to lock the exposure then a manual lens may do that since it can't electronically change aperture.

[John Sandel]

Yes, you can on my D40 … For me it's an economic question. I have some manual lenses … And, if there isn't possible to lock the exposure then a manual lens may do that since it can't electronically change aperture.

Understood; unknowns are better than unknown unknowns.

I can't imagine shooting the dramatic (as opposed to documentary or casual) stuff I do using anything except full manual on the D90. I'd rather shoot with fixed focal-lengths than zooms, but I'll happily try out the initial kit lens just to test this fabulous beast: the Unicorn of amateur filmmaking!

[John Caballero]

Thank you Mr. Barry Green, good to hear from you.

[shaocaholica]

stuff

Well at least MJPEG is framerate agnostic and well suited for flash/non linear media unlike DV/HDV. I'm not sure I'd want to use MPEG-1 over MJPEG but I've not encoded anything in MPEG-1 for ages. D90 processing aside, MJPEG at ~2MB/s encoded using QT from good a looking source looks pretty nice regardless of its age.

http://finalpass.net/videos/MJPEG_test/MJPEG-720p-2MBps.mov

Sure, I would want something better but I wouldn't just knock it based on its age.

[John Caballero]

car3o you were asking about slow motion with 24 fps, check this out:

http://www.vimeo.com/1663578 (http://www.vimeo.com/1663578)

I don't know but this looks good to me. Other than the flickering of course. I think it holds up well after the post work. I guess is those little jpgs running next to each other. I like jpgs.

[Norbert]

And, if there isn't possible to lock the exposure then a manual lens may do that since it can't electronically change aperture.Well, if you can't lock exposure that means it's on auto, and if it's on auto you can't use a manual lens anyway. At least that's the case with my D80. A manual lens will not work with any mode but the manual mode. It refuses to take a picture in any other mode. I hope the D-Movie mode is different.

The problem I see is, even if exposure is indeed lockable, then how do you change the exposure to what you want once you locked it? Do you have to keep pointing the camera at different lit corners of the world until you find the settings you want? That's not very practical at all, especially since the shutter speed is important to keep at certain values when shooting video.

[stoiqa]

Nice job John...slowmo looks super nice to me.(vegas?)


car3o you were asking about slow motion with 24 fps, check this out:

http://www.vimeo.com/1663578 (http://www.vimeo.com/1663578)

I don't know but this looks good to me. Other than the flickering of course. I think it holds up well after the post work. I guess is those little jpgs running next to each other. I like jpgs.

[dfreerider]

D90 seems to be shipping now! This is a quote from a post at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=29200160

"--Just got my shipping notice from Circuit City-- my D90 kit should arrive tomorrow afternoon, September 5th. FedEx tracking confirms. I preordered on the 29th, if that's relevant."

[Lee Wilson]

D90 seems to be shipping now! This is a quote from a post at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=29200160

"--Just got my shipping notice from Circuit City-- my D90 kit should arrive tomorrow afternoon, September 5th. FedEx tracking confirms. I preordered on the 29th, if that's relevant."



AAAAAaaaaAAAaaAAAaaAAAAhHHhAHAHhhhhAHHhhhHhhhAHHHA HHAHHHHHH !

[Passes out]

[stoiqa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jp-im8KP1s

lens looks very nice

[Anhar Miah]

Throws water at Lee, wake up man!

[stoiqa]

Order number: Pending

Order date: 08/27/2008

?????????????????????

[Car3o]

stoiqa love the signature

and the tags are hilarious

[bearing]

Well, if you can't lock exposure that means it's on auto, and if it's on auto you can't use a manual lens anyway. At least that's the case with my D80. A manual lens will not work with any mode but the manual mode. It refuses to take a picture in any other mode. I hope the D-Movie mode is different.

It's the same on the D40. I was unclear; my thought was that in a DIY spirit you may be able to glue a small cheap electronic chip to a manual lens. There exists such things for Canon cameras. The chip "acts" like a 50mm f/1.4 AF lens (or similar, doesn't matter), therefore the camera "thinks" it can change aperture and focus but in reality nothing happens. Here is an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370081786101

I don't know if you can buy the Nikon equivalent and haven't looked into it since we don't know if it will be necessary. If there is no such product then maybe it's possible for the DIY:er to remove the chip and connector from a cheap/garbage auto lens and glue it in place on the manual lens.


The problem I see is, even if exposure is indeed lockable, then how do you change the exposure to what you want once you locked it? Do you have to keep pointing the camera at different lit corners of the world until you find the settings you want? That's not very practical at all, especially since the shutter speed is important to keep at certain values when shooting video.

A light source of variable intensity attachable to the lens may help. If many variables (like ISO, exposure time and aperture) are changing at the same time then it will be hard.

[stoiqa]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/Neraku88/ended.jpg
not going down without a fight ...eh

[hunter richards]

I just called the local indie camera shop in Portland (prophotosupply) and they said they will have them in on monday (body with kit lens). They also said the body only packages will not ship for another month. I dont really want the 18-105... I have some thinking to do.

[dave12781]

So from what everyone has heard, the body only "kit" isn't shipping for another month? Has anyone confirmed this with Amazon preorders?

Just curious.

[Drew Ott]

I just called the local indie camera shop in Portland (prophotosupply) and they said they will have them in on monday (body with kit lens). They also said the body only packages will not ship for another month. I dont really want the 18-105... I have some thinking to do.


Exactly what a photography place told me.

Is the kit lens really that bad?

Could you sell that once you bought it?

[Kholi]

Hunter are you not goin' this weekend?

I'm so wonderin' if there's gonna be a higher-end model out before Xmas.

[Car3o]

I just talked to Ritz, even though the lady didn't really sound like she knew what she was talking about, said they'll probably be getting bodies only and making their own kits. On another note, she didn't even know when they'd be getting them in.

[Car3o]

It'd be weird to see nikon push the worlds first dslr to record HD video and then come out with another months later...what's their slogan there? the worlds second dslr to record HD video?

[stoiqa]

LMAO "sell your kidneys"(tag)

[ryan brown]

I'll bet retailers will be splitting them up. Especially locally owned camera shops... you go in and say you just want the body, they'll sell you the body. Circuit City told me Sunday... local shop said they won't be getting theirs until next week.

I definitely don't want the kit lens. I've got plenty of lenses already, including the kit lens from my D80...

[Lee Wilson]

It'd be weird to see nikon push the worlds first dslr to record HD video and then come out with another months later...what's their slogan there? the worlds second dslr to record HD video?



What would be their slogan on any subsequent release ?

They will certainly release another DSLR with video, where the next one sits in the range I have no clue, but I don't expect them to stretch their release schedule out to years rather than months for want of a slogan.

How about the D100 - the world's first DSLR with a usable video quality ! ;P

[Car3o]

that's just it, the next cam probably will have HD video capture, but probably equivalent to the d90...but who knows...guess we just have to take our chances.

[dave12781]

Don't forget the specs for the Canon 5d say that it shoots HD video. Also, I think they're messing with us if they're only shipping the kits on sunday. Kinda like how you couldn't get a Wii for almost a year withone some crappy games.

[Kholi]

So now it's a wait for just the body aye? hmm

[John Caballero]

Nikon usually releases the kit first then later the body only. I guess they want to sell as many higher priced kits to new custumers then sell to their old costumers.

[stoiqa]

Next slogan will be " First DSLR to shoot 1080p" (at 24,30,60,120fps) :0

[hunter richards]

Hunter are you not goin' this weekend?

I'm so wonderin' if there's gonna be a higher-end model out before Xmas.

No, I am going to go anyways and buy it. If a better model comes out later, I can worry about that then.

Marketing speculation: Nikon will let this camera ride out for a while as their only dslr that records video (to sell more), then early next year (after the great feedback from users) they will announce they are once again moving into video, this time as an HD camera manufacturer. (do any of you remember that nikon made broadcast lenses for eng cameras?)


I heard that the 18-105 is a good lens, I was just thinking about video use. I guess I could always use it for stills though.. or my wife could use it (the d90 is actually "for her" : )

[Car3o]

is that how you'll be able to buy it?

[dave12781]

I think the Canon 5d Mark II will shoot 1080p HD video. It will be a huge selling point for them since... well I've never seen anyone ask for a DP who is familiar with a Canon camera... ever. Generally the think Canon isn't as good as Panasonic or Sony because it doesn't shoot 24p, but who the hell has ever made a 35mm print from their camera for theatrical release? Very few...

[dave12781]

On a personal note... I preordered the body only camera because I have much better lenses than the one offered with the kit. This is going to suck to have to wait a whole month to get my shit.

[hunter richards]

is that how you'll be able to buy it?

Kinda. We have a 10 month old girl and my wife keeps on bugging me to get her a flash camcorder to record home movies. I was just looking at some small hd camcorders when I saw the announcement. I sold our canon dslr, and promised to buy a new dslr and video camera combo (good timing eh?)

[hunter richards]

that way- even if the video quality isnt what I hoped for, I still took care of something she asked...

but if it is what I hoped for, I might buy a few more.

[puredrifting]

I have to say, even though I just bought a D300, I may also buy a D90 just for the factor of having two cameras in one. Like when you take the family camping? Who wants to drag a DSLR and the HVX to shoot home movies? I have done it, total PITA. Having the capacity to do both is pretty appealing to me for personal use.

Dan

[stoiqa]

Sandisk has announced new Extreme III SDHC cards with speeds up to 30MB/s with 4, 8 and 16 gigabyte sizes available. These new cards should offer longer sustained burst rates on the just-announced Nikon D90, according to internal Sandisk testing.

SanDisk Extreme III SDHC 30MB/s Edition cards should ship in September. SRP is $64.99 for the 4GB card, $109.99 for the 8GB card, and $179.99 for the 16GB card.

[Kholi]

I have to say, even though I just bought a D300, I may also buy a D90 just for the factor of having two cameras in one. Like when you take the family camping? Who wants to drag a DSLR and the HVX to shoot home movies? I have done it, total PITA. Having the capacity to do both is pretty appealing to me for personal use.

Dan

For serious. I wish I could drag my 200A + Ultimate everywhere. YEAH. Sort of impractical.

I still want to know if there's a larger one comin' out that might produce better video. However, I think I'm still gonna bounce to Best Buy on Sunday to grab a D90 regardless.

[John Caballero]

Lets hope they keep getting better. At least for Nikon it makes sense to keep at it. I hope they will. This footage gave me a good feeling. Other than the flickering it looks very promising.

http://www.vimeo.com/1663578 (http://www.vimeo.com/1663578)

[Car3o]

car3o you were asking about slow motion with 24 fps, check this out:

http://www.vimeo.com/1663578 (http://www.vimeo.com/1663578)

I don't know but this looks good to me. Other than the flickering of course. I think it holds up well after the post work. I guess is those little jpgs running next to each other. I like jpgs.


what'd you use? that was pretty good slowmo

[Car3o]

wow, 430 people d/led that 1080 file I made. Sheesh.

[leteeci]

Next slogan will be " First DSLR to shoot 1080p" (at 24,30,60,120fps) :0

Don't worry, they will add some limitation that will make that function allmost unusable..

:crybaby:

[John Caballero]

car3o If you are asking me what I used for that footage I did not do that, I just found it in vimeo. Maybe it was done by the original shooter. I thought you would like it, it looks very smooth. The only thing is that darn flickering!! But otherwise IMO it looks nice.
I say that the MJPEG codec although old might work pretty good at 24 FPS. After all it is 24 unique jpegs every second. JPEG is excellent and very editable for detail, color, etc.

[j]

200 more posts and this thread will eclipse Edwierdo's adapter in thread, in what like a month?

[Rolly]

200 more posts and this thread will eclipse Edwierdo's adapter in thread, in what like a month?

This tread start only 9 days ago!!!

[soeborg]

and during those 9 days the value of the dollar has increased significantly :) 9 days ago i would have saved ~$57 more than if if i ordered today.

[j]

Is there a way to monitor the growth rate of a thread?

[Texanite]

Is there a way to monitor the growth rate of a thread?

Pencil lines on the wall?

[hunter richards]

The longest thread I have seen is the birger mount thread over at reduser.net with 3,112 replies and 206,000+ views, having said that, the thread was started 11-23-2007. I wonder if this has the potential to be the longest thread in history?!

[Lee Wilson]

wow, 430 people d/led that 1080 file I made. Sheesh.

How can you tell how many people have downloaded a file from your Vimeo account ?

[Norbert]

Considering the thread title, it can go on for a while...
Imagine 20 years from now. At this pace we would be up to about 946566.6667 posts by then, and we are saying things like "I found an old tape based camera with a 35mm adapter on ebay!!" And everyone else would be like "wow..."

[lisa hayse]

To bad we couldn't invest in threads like stocks.

This thread will endup being a balck hole and start swallowing it's whole domain.

[stoiqa]

The longest thread I have seen is the birger mount thread over at reduser.net with 3,112 replies and 206,000+ views, having said that, the thread was started 11-23-2007. I wonder if this has the potential to be the longest thread in history?!

http://forums.filefront.com/spam-forum/143538-longest-thread-ever-4014.html

[Car3o]

How can you tell how many people have downloaded a file from your Vimeo account ?

Adrive account. Not vimeo.

The youtube guys gave me the link to a Hi res version. Check it out here. Looks good.

http://gallery.me.com/subanm#100000

[min lee]

Congrats on this hella long thread. Hate to be a buzzkill here but sifting through this thread for info isn't easy.

I have a suggestion. For people who are just joining in on this or can't check this threads religiously, would someone be so kind as to confirm what we know for sure and/or have a collection of footage posted somewhere. Perhaps there is something like this already and I just dunno where. If not, maybe there could be a new post for this. Things that I would like confirm are mainly exposure lock (debunked, right?) and the reason for the 5 minute limit. Thanks.

[hunter richards]

I will update the front page.

[stoiqa]

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1&searchType=user&keyword=nikon+d90&searchSection=All&go.x=0&go.y=0

[Madmanden]

Adrive account. Not vimeo.

The youtube guys gave me the link to a Hi res version. Check it out here. Looks good.

http://gallery.me.com/subanm#100000
Looking good indeed. Had some wobble in the beginning, but it might be due to VR... I won't pass judgement until it has been tested properly.

[Texanite]

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1&searchType=user&keyword=nikon+d90&searchSection=All&go.x=0&go.y=0

Hmmmm....

Sorry, we found no matches for "nikon d90"

[lisa hayse]

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Searc...&go.x=0&go.y=0 (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Searc...&go.x=0&go.y=0)

Info was there a few days ago. Now it's gone. No info.
where is it?
This Sunday the stores might not have it.

[hunter richards]

OK I updated the front page

[hunter richards]

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Searc...&go.x=0&go.y=0 (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Searc...&go.x=0&go.y=0)

Info was there a few days ago. Now it's gone. No info.
where is it?
This Sunday the stores might not have it.


Maybe we made up the whole thing in our heads?

[John Caballero]

Maybe we entered the Twilight Zone and we don't even know it!

[Madmanden]

Cue X-Files theme!

[stoiqa]

freakin crack heads

Still here:http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25446/D90.html ....phew!!!

R they gonna honor preorders?

told ya.....when I hit page 100.....there are far to many affected by the wave of change.

My small suggestion....buy it while you can,this will have the same life experience as Sony HC1

[hunter richards]

Weird: The movie clip samples were removed from dpreview:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond90/page14.asp

[John Caballero]

A conspiracy to mess up our collective brains perhaps...?

[Aroon_Narayanan]

I saw some black helicopters outside today....:huh:

[John Caballero]

Oh my God! All the D90 videos are gone in You Tube and Vimeo too.....! Oh no, sorry I was typing in Scarlet in the search box, sorry....

[Car3o]

this is weird.

[hunter richards]

Nikon just got bought by Red. The d90 is actually never coming out. ; )

[John Caballero]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo!

[Car3o]

on the phone with best buy they have it...
they have it now looking at it...on hold..
okay...all good...will definitely be selling it this weekend.
I think i could buy it now, but i'm at work. might go over there for lunch.

he said i can definitely come in an look at it, but not sure if i could record any video until they test it for any restraints??

whatever, all good...no weird theory, we didn't imagine it.

[PappasArts]

Weird: The movie clip samples were removed from dpreview:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond90/page14.asp


I noticed that too!

Can someone email the owner of DPreveiw.com and inquire why the clips are gone. Also ask maybe if they could put up some others clips if they go back online.....


.

[John Caballero]

Thanks God! Everything is Ok now! thank you Car3o, thank you indeed!

[Rolly]

Here in Quebec,Canada, Bestbuy and Futureshop both have an estimated release date for the 30 September... Why in hell do we have to wait that long?... At Vistek in Toronto its the 19 September... I hate that.

[Kholi]

on the phone with best buy they have it...
they have it now looking at it...on hold..
okay...all good...will definitely be selling it this weekend.
I think i could buy it now, but i'm at work. might go over there for lunch.

he said i can definitely come in an look at it, but not sure if i could record any video until they test it for any restraints??

whatever, all good...no weird theory, we didn't imagine it.

As in right now? Hmm. Today or Tomorrow, which will it be~e.

[Madmanden]

The DPreview footage is still there:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08090101nikond90samplegallery.asp

[Lee Wilson]

I noticed that too!

Can someone email the owner of DPreveiw.com and inquire why the clips are gone. Also ask maybe if they could put up some others clips if they go back online.....


.

I've got all the clips, I downloaded them before they were pulled, €500 into my paypal account and supply me with your email address gets the duck, €1200 get's all four.

[Car3o]

I don't know if I could actually buy it now...but he did say he had it there and I could come look at it. I don't know if they have to process it in their inventory, make tags and stock it or whatever. He never clearly said I could purchase it...might actually have to wait till the legit due date. Dunno, I might have to call back!

[Madmanden]

I don't know if I could actually buy it now...but he did say he had it there and I could come look at it. I don't know if they have to process it in their inventory, make tags and stock it or whatever. He never clearly said I could purchase it...might actually have to wait till the legit due date. Dunno, I might have to call back!
Enough teasing, go get it tiger! We need impressions. :D

[stoiqa]

Just got of the phone with Scot at CC.

Told me that the will honor preorders and that only from preordes they are out of stock...therefore removed from website.

By 12am they should have some on display....

[min lee]

thanks, Hunter, for updating the front page.

[Rolly]

Nice update on the first page, Thanks Hunter!

[andoguru]

I'm about to go pick one of these babies up guys. I let you know.

Perfect timing since I'm upgrading my Nikon d50.

Laters,
Andy

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Jeez. I miss one day and have pages to read...
:beer:


.

[Kholi]

Like, none of the best buys in West La have them. =\

[hunter richards]

I might have to wait untill monday to get it at the local camera shop.

[andoguru]

Hey Guys,

I just picked up a d90 with 18-105mm lens from Best Buy for 1299.99.

The battery is charging and I'm actually doing a 48hr fest this weekend so I'll let you guys know how things are going.

I called a couple Best Buys to see if they had it and one didn't but the 2nd did and they are for purchase even though they might not be on display yet.

Laters,
Andy

[j]

>I'm actually doing a 48hr fest this weekend so I'll let you guys know how things are going.

Trial by fire. Best of luck.

[hunter richards]

Hey Guys,

I just picked up a d90 with 18-105mm lens from Best Buy for 1299.99.

The battery is charging and I'm actually doing a 48hr fest this weekend so I'll let you guys know how things are going.

I called a couple Best Buys to see if they had it and one didn't but the 2nd did and they are for purchase even though they might not be on display yet.

Laters,
Andy


What!!!????:beer:

[andoguru]

SOME BEST BUYS HAVE THE NIKON D90 w/18-105mm vr KITS IN STOCK AND FOR PURCHASE AS OF 15 MINUTES AGO!

I kid you not.

[Car3o]

MUAHAHAHHAHA! Well, it looks lke the Best Buy my house has it, but the one by my work does not....wtf???!!!

[Car3o]

andoguru, you test it out RIGHT N0W!!!...

and the tags just keep getting better

[hunter richards]

andoguru, you test it out RIGHT N0W!!!...

Please show the exposure lock!

[lisa hayse]

What's taking so long with the TESTING!!!
Now Man!!!......

[Car3o]

psht he's lying or else he totally show us that exposure lock...

[Kholi]

None here. How laaame

[Nektonic]

SOME BEST BUYS HAVE THE NIKON D90 w/18-105mm vr KITS IN STOCK AND FOR PURCHASE AS OF 15 MINUTES AGO!

I kid you not.

Please tell us you're not setting us all up as one collective butt of a horrible joke.

I'm gonna go over there regardless and see what I can find out.

[Kholi]

Nevermind. BB just called my Cell, they got one in. Bye.

[Car3o]

if someday i ever have a wife that's about to give birth, i think it would feel sort of like this

[andoguru]

I have to let the battery charge...and I'm still at work...

[lisa hayse]

I called 9 BestBuys near San Francisco. NOTHING!!!!

[Car3o]

everybody knows the battery comes charged man!!!

[lisa hayse]

I called Ritz Camera. They have stock in their warehouse.

Car3o, You funny man..

[hunter richards]

Kholi, are you going to win an award today? ; )

[PappasArts]

Check this Canon mystery page. A teaser to something coming........

http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html

http://www.gaygadget.com/whats-hiding-on-the-dark-side-of-canons-moon/





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[Kholi]

I ran out of the house so fast that I forgot my apartment keys and locked myself out.

D90 acquired. Seeing if D70 batteries will work.

[j]

>Seeing if D70 batteries will work.

To get you back into your apartment?

[Kholi]

Nah, I'm back in. LoL. Crackin' open the bizzox.

Edit: D70 Batteries do not work. So that means charging. LAME!

[andoguru]

He probably broke a window or kicked down the door to get in.

[Rolly]

ahhhhhh!!!!... cant wait until the end of September... I'm gonna take my car and drive to the state right away... I want mine :(

[PappasArts]

Don't forget to try out the ( LO ) ISO mode for super clean images. As well the 3200iso and 6400iso mode. I can't to see the night time footage too.

[shaocaholica]

Seeing as how people already have cameras in their hands, I'd like to see some confirmation on some of the more serious issues that have been speculated for way too much in this thread.

[shaocaholica]

Don't forget to try out the ( LO ) ISO mode for super clean images. As well the 3200iso and 6400iso mode. I can't to see the night time footage too.

Actually, you'll want to stick with ISO-200 which is the "base" ISO. With a lower ISO, you may or may not get any "cleaner" images but you will lose dynamic range. Thats why they call it the base ISO, because its the optimal for both noise and DR. Again, you may get cleaner images lower than the base ISO but the difference may not be noticeable with the naked eye but you will for sure have less DR which is probably more visible.

[Car3o]

one issue for me "exposure lock" don't care about the skew, seemed manageable.

[Kholi]

List of questions people want answered? I don't have anything crazy to shoot. It'll be run-of-the-mill backyard for now.

[Drew Ott]

Confirm exposure lock questions.

It'd also be nice to roughly test dynamic range and see if skew is fixed at all by faster shutter and wide lens.

I just called Best Buy by my house. They have them in, but cannot sell any until Sunday (Nikon's order).

[Anhar Miah]

well,

damn this thread moves fast,

Some one wanted to know about the statistics of this thread, what was ment to be a simple thing turned out to be stupidly complex:

I created a parser program to rip the HTML pages from DVXuser, then parse out the post time & date stamps,

these were then saved as CSV files

Ingested into Excel, only excel doesn't undertand the "text" as time/date data, making things worse, date is in American format,

More time wasted later, using GNUplot and Clemenintes v11.1, gave up, went back to excel, eventually after using the text to column, to text merge to data convert:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/Anhar/D90PostAnalysis.png


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If anyone wants the entire data dump I'll upload..

[Kholi]

Wide lens = Will mask skew always.

VR = Skew? That's gonna be the first thing I test. Package came with no HDMI cable (as expected) and I was too eager to get back home to grab one. Oh well. Gotta order some CF cards because they're too expensive at BB anyway. HDMI cable orderin' along with it.

Exposure lock should be in the manual, I'm not even doubting that one.

[andoguru]

Hey Drew,

I live in Austin and the Techridge Best Buy has them. Unless they broke the rules or someone is getting fired, you can get it from there.

Laters,
Andy

[andoguru]

Exposure lock is in the manual. You can press the AE-L/AE-F to turn it on and then press it again to turn it off.


You mean SD cards not CF right Kholi?

[Kholi]

Yes... SD... I knew that...

LOL

[Nektonic]

Check this Canon mystery page. A teaser to something coming........

http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html

http://www.gaygadget.com/whats-hiding-on-the-dark-side-of-canons-moon/

Gotta be a new 5D model. Looks just like the body of a current 5D. It's the oldest of Canon's line isn't it? The question is -- does it have a video mode, and what kind of video does it have?

I can't afford what a new 5D will most likely cost anyways.

[xxxxx1]

Asking Nikon whether timecodes could be added to AVI metadata or generated with the GP-1 GPS addon (camera clocks drift 15s per day, but the GPS addon already embeds the precise time in images) got this response:

Timecode is not generated with the D90 video but we'll pass your request along to our design group for consideration in a future product or update. Regarding the GPS, we don't have any information on if it can be used as you suggest at this time.

We don't know yet if the GPS can set the camera clock, but it can on our Coolpix P6000 so it may also on the D90. As is mentioned in the camera's manual, its clock is not as accurate as even a standard wristwatch and substantial drift is normal. Thanks

-David

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This would be a trivial firmware update, so if you want timecodes please contact Nikon via http://support.nikontech.com/ and request this feature.

If anyone who has this camera can try GPS-syncing the clock, please post your results. Should be easy to work without a clapperboard so long as you sync clocks pre-shoot. Zoom H2/H4 have substantial drift as shipped, so you'll want to upgrade firmware to post-2.0. Recommended for low/no drift: Fostex FR-2LE, Marantz.

[PappasArts]

Actually, you'll want to stick with ISO-200 which is the "base" ISO. With a lower ISO, you may or may not get any "cleaner" images but you will lose dynamic range. Thats why they call it the base ISO, because its the optimal for both noise and DR. Again, you may get cleaner images lower than the base ISO but the difference may not be noticeable with the naked eye but you will for sure have less DR which is probably more visible.


I agree, that makes sense. However 3200iso and 6400iso will be interesting to see!

[Texanite]

I just picked up a d90 with 18-105mm lens from Best Buy for 1299.99.

The battery is charging

Two hours of charge is enough to take some shots, let's get on it before Lee wakes up!

[Kholi]

Don't wanna do that, I don't think. Might ruin the battery which is no fun at all. I feel And's pain, though. Dang thing is takin' forever to charge.

[Texanite]

List of questions people want answered? I don't have anything crazy to shoot. It'll be run-of-the-mill backyard for now.

Lock the exposure and then see if any of the following cause any exposure changes

pan from bright to dark
pan from something that would cause the focus to change
pan from tungsten to daylight
touch the lens changing focus and zoom

[Texanite]

Don't wanna do that, I don't think. Might ruin the battery which is no fun at all. I feel And's pain, though. Dang thing is takin' forever to charge.

Yeah yeah, I know. I've read instructions which tell you to charge batteries for up 24 hours the first time, but I can't wait that long!!!!! :)

[hunter richards]

Kholi, your close to winning:

"The first bestest fastest person to shoot without exposure jumps award in the world with the D90 EVARRRRR!" Award

[Kholi]

Tell me about it. I keep looking at the battery charger to see if it's green. Not gonna have any daylight at this rate. =(