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krestofre
08-10-2008, 07:47 PM
I didn't think I'd make this one, but I think I broke the back of the story this morning. I hope you enjoy!

Autonomous
by
Christopher Johnson

After a courtroom outburst, a judge may be facing the first case of murder perpetrated against a robot.

Judgement
08-11-2008, 07:22 AM
I never did like them robot!
I say kill them all!

krestofre
08-11-2008, 08:22 AM
*Cue John Lennon's Give Peace a Chance.*

alex whitmer
08-11-2008, 08:36 AM
Glad you made it!

Log a bit confusing ... is the robot on trial for murder, or was the robot murdered?

aw

conlanforever
08-11-2008, 09:27 AM
Glad you made it Chris. I really liked your first scriptfest entry. I'm looking forward to reading this.

krestofre
08-11-2008, 10:25 AM
Glad you made it!

Log a bit confusing ... is the robot on trial for murder, or was the robot murdered?

aw


Thanks for keeping me honest, Alex. See if you like the updated logline better.

Glad you made it Chris. I really liked your first scriptfest entry. I'm looking forward to reading this.

Thanks! I'm a little less sure about this one because I didn't have the opportunity to put it through the vetting process as much as I would have liked to. I had the idea for this script since day one of Scriptfest II and literally couldn't figure out a way to tackle it in six pages until Sunday morning. So, with that I hope that it stands reasonably well and I don't spend this entire thread apologizing for it. :)

Noel Evans
08-13-2008, 06:00 PM
I really liked the premise as the story began to grow. The problem I had was I wasnt clearly sure of who the protagonist was until late in the piece, I didnt feel close to anyone really until I saw the final scene. These are just my feelings so take it as merely opinion anyway.

I thought the final outcome was great, the damned lawyer facing off against the child of his victim.

A questions that came to me as I read through. Why is a detective cleaning out a dead robots apartment? If the robot was human would the blow have killed him/her in the first place? - as the discussion between Stein and Anderson centered around the morality of what happened but not on the humanity. Initially I felt for STUART because of the Robots comments on his education etc. Which made me look at that human vs machine dilemma.

As I said just notes I made and merely subjective opinion, I have a habit of overthinking, so take that into account as well. This often causes me issues when I write - maybe I should have that as a warm up statement before I give feedback. Dribble from my brain coming your way :P

Captain Pierce
08-13-2008, 07:25 PM
krestofre,

It's an interesting concept, and you bring up some interesting ideas in the script, but I felt it could have used a little more fleshing out in a couple of areas. One is Judge Anderson's motivations. I didn't understand why she totally ignored Stuart's objections in the first scene; that, combined with the actions she's apparently taken that lead to the final scene, make me wonder if she's had some agenda all along that could have been hinted at. The other is how society has gotten to this place. SPOILERS AHEAD: I can easily see how we could get to a point where the only way to guarantee a fair trial for everyone, given the huge discrepancy between the court-appointed public defenders most court defendants have to settle for and the high-ticket Johnny Cochrane types that the rich can afford, is to mandate that everyone accused of a crime is defended by the most impartial defense attorney possible, a robot; but then the final scene suggests that this isn't the case either, since Stuart is defended by a human.

Also, the comments about Stuart's education seem out of place for a robot, and honestly I wouldn't think a human lawyer would get away with that sort of snide remark about opposing counsel in a modern-day courtroom (or, at least, I hope not :) ).

Again, an interesting concept; if I may, it reminds me of a couple of classic Star Trek: TNG episodes, "Measure of a Man" and... oh, hell, I forgot the title, but the one where Data builds a "daughter." (They're gonna take back my Trekkie license for sure now. :D ) Neither of the things I mentioned was a fatal flaw, in my opinion, just something that could have added to the impact given that you came in even shorter than me. :)

STYLZ
08-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Ha!! I really liked this. The killing of 8841 could of been more violent or realistic, but what was in 8841's apartment made me say wow. Bit of emotion right there. Any script or film that brings about a hint of emotion is "mission accomplished" in my book. Good job.

krestofre
08-14-2008, 05:57 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys! I'm glad that the responses have been pretty positive. Specific replies below:

Why is a detective cleaning out a dead robots apartment? If the robot was human would the blow have killed him/her in the first place? - as the discussion between Stein and Anderson centered around the morality of what happened but not on the humanity. Initially I felt for STUART because of the Robots comments on his education etc. Which made me look at that human vs machine dilemma.

The idea of the cleaning out the apartment is that since robots don't have families, any case where the robot is destroyed it falls to someone else to clean the space up and get the residence back on the market. There's some backstory stuff in my mind about this that would be really interesting in terms of story: overpopulation, the fact that robots are allowed to own property in addition to humans floods the market, hence tiny apartment on a lawyer's salary. Now, why would the detective be the one to clean it out. Yeah, you got me. I needed the detective there for dramatic reasons. Shhh. Don't tell anyone. :)

I'm glad that the protagonist of the story is a little unclear to you. There's a lot of ambiguity to the issues being discussed. Feeling sorry for Stuart is every bit as reasonable of a reaction as cheering for DR-8842.

As far as the blow not being fatal to a human, I'm not sure I understand that point. The robot was destroyed. If someone kills an elderly person they can't say "But that blow wouldn't have killed a twenty-year old." Maybe I'm just not understanding your point.

but then the final scene suggests that this isn't the case either, since Stuart is defended by a human.


If you were on trial for murdering a robot, would you want a robot defense attorney or would you hire someone else? :)

Also, the comments about Stuart's education seem out of place for a robot, and honestly I wouldn't think a human lawyer would get away with that sort of snide remark about opposing counsel in a modern-day courtroom (or, at least, I hope not ).

True ... makes you wonder about Judge Anderson, doesn't it? :)

Again, an interesting concept; if I may, it reminds me of a couple of classic Star Trek: TNG episodes, "Measure of a Man"

I hadn't made that connection until you just mentioned it. I'd say that the concepts are rooted a little deeper than that. Probably all current robot writing can be traced back to Asimov in some way, shape, or form.

what was in 8841's apartment made me say wow.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you liked the script.

conlanforever
08-14-2008, 07:31 AM
You brought up some thought provoking ideas. The idea that we are letting them own property and have jobs and judging from the comment made by 8841 they have personality. So this brings up the idea of equal rights, something we seem to be struggling with through our history. Good stuff.

Even though I thought the snide remark was a little out of place, it was still funny, especially coming from a robot. (obviously Judge Andersen is a robot sympathizer) I did feel a little for Stuart at that point though.
I thought it really odd that a Judge would go to clean out anybody's apartment. But maybe the Judge had something going on the side with 8841, you know what they say, "Once you go bot, you just can't stop."

After reading what you replied about having to clean out a robot's apartment, it makes me think they would have a special unit devoted to that task, but I see why you needed those characters to be there for the story.

I wasn't expecting them to find another robot and when they did. It brought some real emotion into the story for me. Really good turn of events. I liked how it ends with 8842 on the case.

Overall I really enjoyed the script. I think you brought up some good ideas and it had a nice dose of genuine emotion in it too. Very good!

Judgement
08-14-2008, 10:10 AM
The only problem I had with the script was that it was just too short.
And where did the character made a MISTAKE?
Easy flowing script- good job!

MiataFilmSomething
08-14-2008, 10:19 AM
Good read. I'm not sure what else I can add that hasn't been said already. Some of the scenes didn't seem to mesh together. And some of the dialog didn't flow very well.

However, the best scene by far is the discovery of the robot son. What an awesome moment! So many themes and deeper meanings behind it. Great stuff.

I'd love to see what kind of art design could be done with this, and it's a great chance for someone to create a really innovative looking robot. Lots of potential!

mjjason
08-14-2008, 10:58 AM
I really liked the concept and some of the points raised though I felt the flow of the script was being manipulated too much. What I mean is the snide comment by a robot, the weird attitude of the Judge, the cop having to clean the apartment, and the ending trial all are convenient tools for the writer to explain the points. It was a little to right on the money to seem natural, particularly the conversations between the cop and the judge.

What is Stuart on trial for actually? According to the Cop he did not break any law as destroying a robot wasn't murder so why would he be on trial.

Overall, I like the concept though maybe a longer script would flush the story out better.

seansshack
08-14-2008, 12:21 PM
Enjoyed this one. Strong concept but I was left needing more story.

Like what they found in the apartment, but would the judge be there? Maybe he would be watching in on video feed (Aliens style).

But solid Sci-fi and on trial for the murder of a robot is a cool idea.

Good luck with it.

Captain Pierce
08-14-2008, 03:02 PM
If you were on trial for murdering a robot, would you want a robot defense attorney or would you hire someone else? :)

If robots make better defense attorneys, I'd damn sure want one. :D It'd probably look better on Court TV, too... ;)

True ... makes you wonder about Judge Anderson, doesn't it? :)

Yeah, the more I look back at this, the more that the Judge is looking like she's very involved in all this...

I hadn't made that connection until you just mentioned it. I'd say that the concepts are rooted a little deeper than that. Probably all current robot writing can be traced back to Asimov in some way, shape, or form.

Oh, no argument there. :)

alex whitmer
08-14-2008, 05:13 PM
Hey Chris, really loved this one.


SPOILERS






TECHIE STUFF



This ...

JUDGE ANDERSON
Overruled, Mr. Irwin. Now sit down
councilor.

Would a judge address a Councilor by name? Or both name and title at once?

Maybe ...

JUDGE ANDERSON
Overruled, Councilor, now sit down.

This ...

DETECTIVE STEIN
I know it practiced in your
courtroom for a long time,

Nice way of showing Stein’s dismissal of the robot as anything other than ‘it’.

Page 3

This ...

Judge Anderson beings walking through the
rooms.

Typo on beings (begins?)

The typo is kind cool though! It could work almost!

This ...

JUDGE ANDERSON
(o.s.)
Oh god!

I’ve always seen (O.S.) next to the character headings.

Page 4

This ...

ROBOT
Daddy?

Way cool!

This ...

A gavel smashes down on the desk of Judge Phillips, male,
fifties. The audience in the courtroom is causing a lot of
commotion. SUPERIMPOSE: SIX MONTHS LATER

SUPERIMPOSE should be on a separate line.


STORY


Man does this have feature written all over it. Excellent concept and clear writing to tell it in just 4 pages (I know you wanted more).

I think the exchange between Judge Anderson and Detective Stein could be streamlined a bit, and I’d like to see more on how DR-8841 got his groove back, but the doors you’ve opened here are extraordinary.

Love it. What's really great is the plausibility.

This opens a can of worms before the can has been really invented.

Dream cast!!

Tom Hanks as DR.8841
Meryl Streep as Judge Anderson
Tim Roth as Irwin
Morgan Freeman as Stein
Brooklyn as the child robot

I'll make some calls!!

alex

krestofre
08-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Morgan Freeman as Stein. Man, that would be great! I hope those calls work out! Thanks for the great review Alex. I'm glad that you caught and pointed out some of the subtleties. Stein always using "it" specifically. On the technical, I didn't know that SUPERIMPOSE starts a new line. Thanks for that. I've seen (o.s.) in both places. Some many parts of script elements come and go with the times. I was taught that you put CUT TO: and the end of practically every line, and it took me forever to write a more fluid script. :)

Sean: Thanks for the feedback. I can understand you wanting more story. Hopefully someday I can tell it.

mjjason: I appreciate your review. I agree. A longer script would serve this story well.

Miata: I'd love to see the art design on this as well. I left the descriptions of the robots intentionally vague because I'd love to see what a mind more geared towards design would do with it.

Judgement: Stuart made a mistake when he threw the gavel at DR-8841. It could be argued that there were several more mistakes made by characters in the script. DR-8841 provoking Stuart. Judge Anderson for dismissing the objection, etc.

Conlan: I'm glad the script resonated for you emotionally.

Thanks everyone for the reviews! Keep 'em coming!

chapelgrovefilms
08-14-2008, 10:33 PM
It was an interesting concept. My biggest problem with it had to do with character motivation. I never felt like anyone was responding in any kind of normal or expected way. It seemed forced and contrived to me.

I agree that there's no reason why the cop would clean out the robot's apartment. If there's no family and no 'owner' to give whatever he finds to, then why wouldn't it fall on the landlord to clean out the rooms and dispose of whatever was there? And I didn't understand the Judge's desire to tag along -- why did she 'owe him that much'? Completely unmotivated.

I also felt there was far too little description of the locations. I had no idea who was sitting (or standing) where in either courtroom scene. I need to have the scene set for me before the action begins. Maybe that's just me.

A good idea that could be a good story, but needs more work, in my opinion. Great effort, though!

chapelgrovefilms
08-14-2008, 10:36 PM
One other thing. Obviously when Stuart 'killed' DR-8841, there was no law on the books making that a crime. Clearly, by the end of the story such a law had been enacted, but how could it possibly be made retroactive so that Stuart could be on trial for murdering DR-8841???

krestofre
08-15-2008, 03:38 AM
And I didn't understand the Judge's desire to tag along -- why did she 'owe him that much'? Completely unmotivated.

I disagree there. I think that enough seeds were planted in the script that the judge has a connection to DR-8841 to make that a plausible course of action. To my eyes everyone has proper motivation, but I have the benefit of knowing where the story has been and where it's going. In my opinion motivation is one of the first things to go out the window when writing short fiction. I think an author always does (or should) know why a character is motivated, but in shorts the audience has a greater responsibility to "go with it." This applies to short fiction as well. Read a collection of short stories and they're mostly just snippets of events. Rarely do you get a compelling three act structure in short work. That's my take on it at least. I've been wrong before. :)

I also felt there was far too little description of the locations. I had no idea who was sitting (or standing) where in either courtroom scene. I need to have the scene set for me before the action begins. Maybe that's just me.

It works the other way too: Maybe it's just me, because I have a strong belief that those sorts of details are the purview of the director. I always write scripts that "barebones" if you will because I don't want to interfere with another person's creative take on the project. I only put in scene descriptions or directions that are required for the story. If it's a script that I know I'm going to be directing then I'm very detailed, even describing camera moves as script elements. Different strokes....

One other thing. Obviously when Stuart 'killed' DR-8841, there was no law on the books making that a crime. Clearly, by the end of the story such a law had been enacted, but how could it possibly be made retroactive so that Stuart could be on trial for murdering DR-8841???

Excellent question. I wonder what happens during those six months. :)

Thanks for reading and giving your honest feedback!

Horncastle
08-16-2008, 12:37 PM
I thought you had a great idea here - philosophical/moral questions regarding future technological progress provide a lot of wonderful food for thought in my opinion. The script itself had a few flaws maybe, but these have been covered by others above and I see you didn't have much time to go over it anyway.
Jason

thartley
08-17-2008, 12:29 AM
Nothing bad to say about this one. Maybe could have done with more punch at the end, but I liked the story. I have not read the other reviews so I am not sure if I am being a jerk here, but I wondered why the paramedics would be called for a robot or Servo instead of "Call the IT Guys!" :) just kidding, but that line right there made me think that maybe the Servos were more on the same playing field with humans than we initially might think. Or that the two (humans and Servos) were beginning to overlap in some areas.

Good story.

agalla1
08-17-2008, 10:10 AM
I enjoyed the story...I agree that I was little lost with the motivation of the judge to tag along or why she had such a vested interest but you explained it well in your comments...loved the end...I felt the emotion the judge must have been feeling at that moment....definitely put a smile on my face!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
08-19-2008, 08:39 PM
I understood why the Judge tagged along, seemed obvious to me.
Very well written, interesting take on the theme as well.

I went through it fast and it never dragged. Nice work!

Mike

krestofre
08-19-2008, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone!

Call the IT guys. Funny. :)

My apologize to any scripts that I haven't got to yet. I promise I'll read and comment before Friday!