View Full Version : How many women are on DVX USER???
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 03:43 PM
I'm a girl.
anybody else??? :)
Eastside Parkway
08-06-2008, 04:17 PM
I talked to a girl once...
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 04:36 PM
Just once? :evil:
You sound like my friend Rick...
Nathyn
08-06-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm a girl.
anybody else??? :)
And frankly that automatically makes you about 20% cooler than the rest of us losers.
-Nate
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 05:16 PM
hahahah. i recently started to realize that everyone i talk to on here is a guy. seriously, i know i can't be the only girl...
ladies????!
Anhar Miah
08-06-2008, 05:18 PM
There are a few, Charli and thartley the the noteable ones (and yourself naturally), I dunno about the rest.
Its pretty much a mans world here at DVXuser (Except Penguin, on the account hes a Penguin?)
Sad Max
08-06-2008, 05:20 PM
But, a dude-penguin or chick-penguin?
JConnors
08-06-2008, 05:22 PM
I always wondered what the percentage of woman are in the industry. It's definetly a male dominated proffession.
karapetkov
08-06-2008, 05:26 PM
I'm a girl.
anybody else??? :)
Well, hello. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
Jeff Anderson
08-06-2008, 05:35 PM
But, a dude-penguin or chick-penguin?
Neither. Just a Penguin-Penguin.
Mark Harris
08-06-2008, 05:47 PM
There's AmyO, and of course, Penguin's MILF.
Capt Quirk
08-06-2008, 05:49 PM
Its pretty much a mans world here at DVXuserYeah! So you better check the seat before you sit down :)
Anhar Miah
08-06-2008, 05:57 PM
James Brown & Pavarotti
RIP Pavarotti & James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIyzNISw1Q
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 05:58 PM
Neither. Just a Penguin-Penguin.
No, actually, a ConspiracyPenguin. Yes, there is a difference.
There's AmyO, and of course, Penguin's MILF.
Bastard. You know full well she is not a member here. Did you even see her? Wait, you were at the BBQ on Saturday. We also briefly chatted on Friday night (or early Saturday morning, rather). Never mind...
Anhar Miah
08-06-2008, 06:08 PM
No, actually, a ConspiracyPenguin. Yes, there is a difference.
Exactly everything about Penguin is a conspiracy, including his sex, even the fact that its a conspiracy is in its self another conspiracy....
Michael Anthony Horrigan
08-06-2008, 06:12 PM
Just once? :evil:
You sound like my friend Rick...
Sure... your friend, Rick.
:laugh:
Mattykins
08-06-2008, 06:12 PM
I think the forum is comprised of mostly A) Married men or B) Sexually deprived men.
But who doesn't think a girl with a camera is sexy?
(If it's any consolation, my good friend is an excellent DoP and she is also a woman.)
emretufekci
08-06-2008, 06:13 PM
So...any undecideds out there?
Michael Anthony Horrigan
08-06-2008, 06:14 PM
I think the forum is comprised of mostly A) Married men or B) Sexually deprived men.
FYI, A = B.
Mattykins
08-06-2008, 06:16 PM
Correction...
A) Married sexually deprived men
B) single sexually deprived men
C)Penguins
D) Guys named Rick...who coincidentally is a Penguin in disguise.
Sad Max
08-06-2008, 06:17 PM
But who doesn't think a girl with a camera is sexy?
A girl with a camera, a girl with a rifle, a girl with a six-pack, a girl with a bucket of ball bearings, a girl with...
...you get my drift.
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Correction...
A) Married sexually deprived men
B) single sexually deprived men
C)Penguins
D) Guys named Rick...who coincidentally is a Penguin in disguise.
Correction:
C) Sexually deprived penguins
hunter richards
08-06-2008, 06:25 PM
I bet the dvxuser base is 97% male under 21, 2% female, and 1 % milk
ugafan
08-06-2008, 06:25 PM
I'm a girl.
crap. now i have to make my posts funny AND romantic.
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 06:26 PM
There's no way the user base here is 97% male under 21. There's a wide age range here. From 15 or so up to 60+.
Anhar Miah
08-06-2008, 06:29 PM
well maybe:
97% Male, 2% female, 0.0000001% Penguin and 0.999999% spams and bots:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/Anhar/Pie.png
Mattykins
08-06-2008, 06:31 PM
Did I mention I was single? :grin:
And I think the younger, under 21 members, is a small shadow to the older membership. At least with the major posters. Unless I totally messed up my ideas of how old people are.
ZazaCast
08-06-2008, 06:31 PM
I'm a girl.
anybody else??? :)
...so far... it looks like there are 2 of you...and a Penguin!:huh:
That's just sad...so sad.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 07:07 PM
Sure... your friend, Rick.
:laugh:
NO! Seriously! I TALK to girls all the time. But that is all I ever seem to be able to do with girls, besides the occasional hug. :( And no, Mattykins, Rick is not a Penguin in disguise!
well maybe:
97% Male, 2% female, 0.0000001% Penguin and 0.999999% spams and bots:
[graph]
Wait...there are more spam posts than Penguin posts? Or are Penguin posts considered spam posts by most of you? :grin:
JasonFox
08-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Occasional Hug is a great band name.
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 07:39 PM
Well, hello. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
lol......
ZazaCast
08-06-2008, 07:41 PM
NO! Seriously! I TALK to girls all the time. But that is all I ever seem to be able to do with girls, besides the occasional hug. :( And no, Mattykins, Rick is not a Penguin in disguise!
...Great... ANOTHER thread about Penguin's lack of a love life...also sad.:(
Penguin, you REALLY need to stop sitting in your room typing & get out more...really...do yourself a favor.:beer:
Jump in the TA...and cruise!!
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 07:42 PM
ha ha i knew you boys would hijack my thread! i got excited when i saw 4 pages of posts.
but not ONE other girl has stepped up!!!! seriously?? this is really quite amazing to me.. i guess a true reflection of what it's like in the real world as well.
i really enjoyed that chart tho, thank you. hahhahah....
Jeff Anderson
08-06-2008, 07:46 PM
Dont fret, there are a few out there scratchpatch... They're probably like making films or something though and not posting it up like a bunch of gossipy girls... back to posting for me!
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 07:47 PM
i always pretend that GageFX and NoahK are women.....
Mark Harris
08-06-2008, 07:48 PM
i always pretend that GageFX and NoahK are women.....
I like to pretend Gage is a woman too...when I'm alone...and nobody's watching...I mean, wait, was that out loud?
Mattykins
08-06-2008, 07:49 PM
Really, I can't see Gage as a woman. Though he does have fashion sense. Which makes me feel less gay when I talk fashion here.
I should convince my friend to get on here. We need more female DoPs.
ZazaCast
08-06-2008, 07:49 PM
i always pretend that GageFX and NoahK are women.....
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 07:49 PM
I like to pretend Gage is a woman too...when I'm alone...and nobody's watching...I mean, wait, was that out loud?
heh heh.. ya it's just cuz of that avatars of course.... but that's what i use to identify them..... actually i have no idea if gagefx is man or a woman but i'm guessing it's a guy.....just based on the fact that there's only 1% women here as per the pie chart......
Hey, how do we know you're not just pretending to be a girl? This is the internet after all........
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 07:58 PM
Hey, how do we know you're not just pretending to be a girl? This is the internet after all........
*Conversation Terminated*
ugafan
08-06-2008, 07:58 PM
i really enjoyed that chart tho, thank you. hahhahah....
*note to self: she likes pie charts. be sure to bring up love for graphs if conversation slows down.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 08:01 PM
i always pretend that GageFX and NoahK are women.....
I used to pretend GageFX was a woman, until I met him in person. Hm.
...Great... ANOTHER thread about Penguin's lack of a love life...also sad.:(
Penguin, you REALLY need to stop sitting in your room typing & get out more...really...do yourself a favor.:beer:
Jump in the TA...and cruise!!
That was NOT my fault this time! :) The TA is hardly in pristine condition yet and is costing more money everyday. Unfortunately, it is looking like I may have to shelve the project temporarily because we can't afford it right now. Didn't realize it needed so much work. :(
Mattykins
08-06-2008, 08:02 PM
ddp just killed any chances he had. haha
I can't wait for UGA to start posting charts all over the place. You know it will happen.
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 08:06 PM
mmmmm, pie charts...
muonwave
08-06-2008, 08:06 PM
*Conversation Terminated*
yep - that's a gal there...
Sad Max
08-06-2008, 08:09 PM
'muonwave' is a cool handle. I dig it.
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 08:13 PM
girls have cooties
Mark Harris
08-06-2008, 08:13 PM
'muonwave' is a cool handle. I dig it.
Lay off the smooth talk, he's a dude.
muonwave
08-06-2008, 08:16 PM
'muonwave' is a cool handle. I dig it.
thanks - physics - who knew?... but seriously - gentlemen... there's a lady in the house. heads up.
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 08:24 PM
yes. ONE lady. well perhaps i should give it more time...
but i'd settle for a lady penguin at this point...
ugafan
08-06-2008, 08:24 PM
gentlemen... there's a lady in the house. heads up.
should i take the open jumper? nah, i'll pass it off to mark harris for the easy dunk.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 09:04 PM
yes. ONE lady. well perhaps i should give it more time...
but i'd settle for a lady penguin at this point...
Settle? SETLLE? Why I oughta! :angry:
:grin:
should i take the open jumper? nah, i'll pass it off to mark harris for the easy dunk.
Well actually I was going to take it, but since you've given it to Harris I guess I'd better pass as well. I won't waddle where I'm not wanted. :)
Brandon Rice
08-06-2008, 09:10 PM
This thread makes me laugh :)
Anhar Miah
08-06-2008, 09:17 PM
yes. ONE lady. well perhaps i should give it more time...
but i'd settle for a lady penguin at this point...
I think you missed one post the count is actually two.
Rick Meyer
08-06-2008, 09:30 PM
Just once? :evil:
You sound like my friend Rick...
Okay, so my mother dressed me up as my sister ONCE during Halloween. Just ONCE! I'm a man, I swear...baby!...
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 09:39 PM
I think you missed one post the count is actually two.
i can't find a post in this thread from a girl besides me. people have SAID there's another girl out there somewhere but i don't think she's posted in this thread yet. who is this mystery woman you speak of!?!?
thartley
08-06-2008, 09:45 PM
Scratchpatch, you have company here. (Thanks Anhar, for mentioning me on page 1 here). :beer:
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 09:46 PM
yayyyyy!!! finally!!!! Hi thartley!!!! omg a girl..... heh.
ugafan
08-06-2008, 09:47 PM
i can't find a post in this thread from a girl besides me. people have SAID there's another girl out there somewhere but i don't think she's posted in this thread yet. who is this mystery woman you speak of!?!?
anhar IS a woman. she just has short hair.
thartley
08-06-2008, 09:51 PM
yayyyyy!!! finally!!!! Hi thartley!!!! omg a girl..... heh.
Last time I checked at least.
http://www.isarapix.org/pix25/1218081065.jpg
Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 09:59 PM
FYI, A = B.
speak for yourself.
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
thartley
08-06-2008, 10:05 PM
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
Our guys wouldnt do that. :engel017:
Brandon Rice
08-06-2008, 10:06 PM
speak for yourself.
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
You'd ban me?
JK!!!
scratchpatch, you rock! :beer:
ugafan
08-06-2008, 10:11 PM
speak for yourself.
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
i wish i had known that before sending the last 32 PMs. :undecided
Brandon Rice
08-06-2008, 10:14 PM
You are funny...
And I JUST now got your name...
UGA (Georgia) fan... I thought it was UHG-A-FAN, pronounced like that.
ugafan
08-06-2008, 10:29 PM
You are funny...
And I JUST now got your name...
UGA (Georgia) fan... I thought it was UHG-A-FAN, pronounced like that.
haha. i'm glad someone finally figured it out! the few times i've heard people on on here pronounce my name, they call me ooga fan. :beer:
triplej96
08-06-2008, 10:33 PM
Wow two girls thats it their has to be a few more? Always nice to have another perspective, welcome!
Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 10:37 PM
<caveman> ooga booga </caveman>
Later,
Jason
Drew Ott
08-06-2008, 10:37 PM
haha. i'm glad someone finally figured it out! the few times i've heard people on on here pronounce my name, they call me ooga fan. :beer:
I still say ooga fan in my head.
Its obvious this is a forum with few girls. Guerrila filmmaking (Indie filmmaking, for the matter) is a 'tuff job. DIY's, Running with cameras, tripods, lights, managing a team, knowing about lighting...
That's what I'm saying: Girls can't handle it. Give them a full team of experts to command, where they only have to shout action, or talk, and they can do it. Indie, the hard way? Not a chance.
( Notice I write this with my girlfriend out on a 2 week work trip abroad.)
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 10:44 PM
Its obvious this is a forum with few girls. Guerrila filmmaking (Indie filmmaking, for the matter) is a 'tuff job. DIY's, Running with cameras, tripods, lights, managing a team, knowing about lighting...
That's what I'm saying: Girls can't handle it. Give them a full team of experts to command, where they only have to shout action, or talk, and they can do it. Indie, the hard way? Not a chance.
( Notice I write this with my girlfriend out on a 2 week work trip abroad.)
Is this a serious post?
Brandon Rice
08-06-2008, 10:45 PM
Seems kind of derogatory...
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 10:46 PM
Yeah, I can't tell if he's joking or not.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 10:50 PM
speak for yourself.
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
Ah, Jason. I thought you left for a while since you hadn't posted and my custom title didn't change. :D
haha. i'm glad someone finally figured it out! the few times i've heard people on on here pronounce my name, they call me ooga fan. :beer:
Oh, I figured this out during the screening when I was peeking over Larry's shoulder to ready the thread and I saw you complain about it. I, like Drew, still say ooga though in my head. It's just that much more entertaining. :)
EDIT: Just to give this post some seriousness, I agree with those above, that post seemed sort of deragatory. Hm.
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 10:52 PM
I also say oogafan. I'm from Florida, afterall.
I'm from Florida too. :)
ugafan
08-06-2008, 10:54 PM
Its obvious this is a forum with few girls. Guerrila filmmaking (Indie filmmaking, for the matter) is a 'tuff job. DIY's, Running with cameras, tripods, lights, managing a team, knowing about lighting...
That's what I'm saying: Girls can't handle it. Give them a full team of experts to command, where they only have to shout action, or talk, and they can do it. Indie, the hard way? Not a chance.
( Notice I write this with my girlfriend out on a 2 week work trip abroad.)
thank goodness i'm not the only caveman here. ooga ooga.
Tom Marshall
08-06-2008, 10:56 PM
thank goodness i'm not the only caveman here. ooga ooga.
Yeah, no shit.
thartley
08-06-2008, 10:56 PM
HA, sorry, Tom. I deleted that post. :) But yeah, I'm from Jacksonville, the beaches area.
And as soon as I am finished FILMING, ALL INDIE STYLE AND STUFF HERE IN HOT ASS THAILAND AS A ONE PERSON CREW, I'll be going back there. I sure do miss the sand and ocean.
ugafan
08-06-2008, 11:05 PM
HA, sorry, Tom. I deleted that post. :) But yeah, I'm from Jacksonville, the beaches area.
And as soon as I am finished FILMING, ALL INDIE STYLE AND STUFF HERE IN HOT ASS THAILAND AS A ONE PERSON CREW, I'll be going back there. I sure do miss the sand and ocean.
please tell me you're not a gator! :cheesy:
were you on camera with PK during the karaoke marathon?
Exactly Uga. They should go back to the kitchen and leave filmmaking to MEN. Those cavemen really knew it back then.
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:09 PM
Did I go to UF? No. Do I cheer the gators on? Absolutely. :)
Yeah, I unfortunately had to get in front of the camera for a while and play DJ for PK when his eyes would no longer focus on anything. I was wearing the Isara.org sign across my chest.
:lipsrseal
The other woman on camera there, Ming, is about as big around as my neck. LOL!
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:11 PM
Exactly Uga. They should go back to the kitchen and leave filmmaking to MEN.
Does the world really need THAT much porn?
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 11:12 PM
Hahaha. I saw that quote in Tom's post and was like "WTF!? Did I miss thartley's post or something?" Terri, why do you use the ziped up smiley? Is it already too late for me to think? Hm.
I think SPZ is joking. At least, after that remark, I hope so. But while we are degrading women, I have a joke to tell...
Just kidding. I mean I could tell a joke, but I won't. I don't even know what I'm posting.
EDIT:
Does the world really need THAT much porn?
Oh snap! I have never and will never film porn, just so you know. But that is probably because I don't often film anything. :grin:
Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 11:13 PM
Does the world really need THAT much porn?
thartley --->:nads:<--- Dumbass
Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 11:14 PM
I don't even know what I'm posting.
Join the club.
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 11:15 PM
speak for yourself.
If I get complaints from scratchpatch about any of you stalking her in pm's I'll ban you to oblivion :)
Later,
Jason
my hero! heh.
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:15 PM
Terri, why do you use the ziped up smiley?
Because looking at it now, he needed a bigger sign. :)
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 11:28 PM
i think this is my most popular thread to date, and there was only one other girl.
i have a feeling people are going to be much more helpful next time i post a stupid question!!! heh. just kidding... everyone here has always been very helpful and awesome.
except Penguin. ;)
ugafan
08-06-2008, 11:31 PM
I was wearing the Isara.org sign across my chest.
:lipsrseal
Because looking at it now, he needed a bigger sign. :)
not from our perspective. :beer:
Brandon Rice
08-06-2008, 11:33 PM
i think this is my most popular thread to date, and there was only one other girl.
i have a feeling people are going to be much more helpful next time i post a stupid question!!! heh. just kidding... everyone here has always been very helpful and awesome.
except Penguin. ;)
on a serious note... thought about shooting a short for the new DVXfest?
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 11:34 PM
except Penguin.
What? WHAT!? That's it, now most of my posts are going to be ridiculous jokes. Oh, wait...
Well, I post something serious every once in a while! :)
Join the club.
Can you send me an application? I am sure you have my email address and phone number after the background check you ran thinking "Who is this fucker posting all this crap?" :grin:
EDIT: Because I don't want to double post...
Because looking at it now, he needed a bigger sign. :)
This is probably true. I mean, I could see it when it was close, but because of the quality it was hard to read sometimes. But I knew where I was anyway...
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 11:37 PM
on a serious note... thought about shooting a short for the new DVXfest?
no right now i'm trying to launch my music video company so i'm not gonna be doing any short films.. i might be an editor on one for my friend but that's about it. i'm all about the music now...and logo and website design for bands..... and the benjamins! ;)
Luis Caffesse
08-06-2008, 11:39 PM
Wow.
A girl says hi and in a little over 24 hours we have 10 pages on here.
Maybe if you guys focused that energy a bit we could up the number of entries for the next fest....
or something else productive...like cure world hunger.
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:39 PM
on a serious note... thought about shooting a short for the new DVXfest?
A lot of us think about it, but then we log on here and get sucked into the void.
Luis Caffesse
08-06-2008, 11:40 PM
A lot of us think about it, but then we log on here and get sucked into the void.
See my note above.
:)
Ferret Lady
08-06-2008, 11:41 PM
Wow.
A girl says hi and in a little over 24 hours we have 10 pages on here.
Maybe if you guys focused that energy a bit we could up the entries for the next fest....
or something else productive...like cure world hunger.
i hate to break it to you chewy, but it's actually only been 8 hours since my first post.
Luis Caffesse
08-06-2008, 11:42 PM
it's actually only been 8 hours since my first post.
Damn.
Even worse than I thought.
:)
(saw the original post said 'yesterday'... and forgot it was past midnight here)
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:44 PM
I'm all for curing world hunger, starting with my own. Can't work on an empty stomach.
That's lunch, ya'll! :)
ugafan
08-06-2008, 11:44 PM
A lot of us think about it, but then we log on here and get sucked into the void.
very true. how much longer will you be filming for the isara documentary?
thartley
08-06-2008, 11:54 PM
very true. how much longer will you be filming for the isara documentary?
My flight back to the states is early October. Still a lot to do before then. Been here since April.
Oh, and....
http://www.isarapix.org/pix0/1218088016.jpg
ugafan
08-06-2008, 11:56 PM
My flight back to the states is early October. Still a lot to do before then. Been here since April.
Oh, and....
http://www.isarapix.org/pix0/1218088016.jpg
no!!!! go dawgs!
ConspiracyPenguin
08-06-2008, 11:58 PM
I think I've seen that picture before, T. :huh:
Wow.
A girl says hi and in a little over 24 hours we have 10 pages on here.
Maybe if you guys focused that energy a bit we could up the number of entries for the next fest....
or something else productive...like cure world hunger.
Hahahahaha. :grin: It's true. I can't finish an entry for TimeFest but I can sit here on my arse and post shit up to wazoo!
thartley
08-07-2008, 12:03 AM
I think I've seen that picture before, T. :huh:
You been looking at my profile? ;)
Its getting late for you, Penguin.
ChipG
08-07-2008, 12:21 AM
No wonder why there are not a lot of girls here...
Gentelmen,
I know a few women that are gonna kick your ass in the next film contest.
Chip
ugafan
08-07-2008, 12:24 AM
You been looking at my profile? ;)
Its getting late for you, Penguin.
busted. :cheesy:
Does the world really need THAT much porn?
Ouch! Now that's what I call a reply! :)
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 01:08 AM
Well, I bet scratchpatch just became everyone's favorite new member.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 01:34 AM
Well, I bet scratchpatch just became everyone's favorite new member.
you mean i wasnt already? phhh..
brianluce
08-07-2008, 01:47 AM
Isn't one of the Vegas gurus a girl? Not Jimerson, the other one.
thartley
08-07-2008, 01:49 AM
Isn't one of the Vegas gurus a girl? Not Jimerson, the other one.
Eugenia, I think that's her name. Amazingly smart woman. :thumbup:
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 02:03 AM
you mean i wasnt already? phhh..
Well, first you came here posting about how you didn't like The Deer Hunter, and people turned on you (okay, so not really, but you know what I'm getting at) now you reveal your femininity, and you're the coolest person ever. It's amusing. By the way, I tried finding you on facebook (way before this thread) but there was like a bajillion Alison Parkers.
*Conversation Terminated*
Ok that's proof enough for me. I hear that all the time from women....:huh:
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 04:05 AM
Well, first you came here posting about how you didn't like The Deer Hunter, and people turned on you (okay, so not really, but you know what I'm getting at) now you reveal your femininity, and you're the coolest person ever. It's amusing. By the way, I tried finding you on facebook (way before this thread) but there was like a bajillion Alison Parkers.
ha ha, hey, lots of people agreed with me about the Deer Hunter!!!
coolest person ever eh? well. this is true. :)
i'm the alison parker on facebook who's profile picture is exactly the same as my avatar in here, and also i'm in the vancouver network... please try again!!
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 05:04 AM
coolest person ever eh? well. this is true. :)
i'm the alison parker on facebook who's profile picture is exactly the same as my avatar in here, and also i'm in the vancouver network... please try again!!
Yeah, but there's still like, 20 pages of Alison Parkers. I gave up after like, three. I'm sorry, you're cool, but not THAT cool.
P.S. I'm just teasing you. Please don't hate me.
Everts
08-07-2008, 05:47 AM
Is this thread really necassary ? It's 2008 folks .
Anhar Miah
08-07-2008, 05:47 AM
I'm a girl.
anybody else???
Well, hello. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
I think she is the other mystery woman, unless I miss understood her post.
thartley
08-07-2008, 06:19 AM
Is this thread really necassary ? It's 2008 folks .
Half the threads in the Cafe are not necessary, but are fun/entertaining.
Capt Quirk
08-07-2008, 06:33 AM
You have somebody posting "Hi! I'm a Girl!", and all the apes hear "C'mon in Boys, the Bar is open!". It's not their fault... it's her's for inciting the riot ;)
Anhar Miah
08-07-2008, 06:45 AM
Is this thread really necassary ? It's 2008 folks .
If you think about it, the fact that its 2008 makes this even more interesting, in the sense that in the so called new "modern age", the indie scene is still male orientated (even globally)
HorseFilms
08-07-2008, 06:49 AM
So, what did I miss?:huh:
thartley
08-07-2008, 06:50 AM
If you think about it, the fact that its 2008 makes this even more interesting, in the sense that in the so called new "modern age", the indie scene is still male orientated (even globally)
Yeah, but I'm working on changing that. :Drogar-Evil(DBG):
I'll be shooting a film based on my best friend who is a skirt wearing, plate mounting, BIG man who also happens to crochet.
MikeWilkinson
08-07-2008, 07:16 AM
Let's not forget Jan Crittenden....
MattinSTL
08-07-2008, 07:24 AM
13 pages and 1,200+ views in less then 2 days. All the guys on here thinking "hmm... girls that are into this? Put me down for one."
Well dudes... I'll do you one better. Sign up for a SEWING forum or something like that... then the pie-chart is reversed in your favor. I bought a sewing machine for making costumes and even various rigging... and I spent a couple months on a big sewing forum like this... and it took only 3 days to have girls emailing me steadily...
Something to think about.
lhdor
08-07-2008, 07:27 AM
I am a lady.
Sorry for the late response, Just found this thread and then I couldn't find the end of it.
thartley
08-07-2008, 07:31 AM
13 pages and 1,200+ views in less then 2 days. All the guys on here thinking "hmm... girls that are into this? Put me down for one."
Well dudes... I'll do you one better. Sign up for a SEWING forum or something like that... then the pie-chart is reversed in your favor. I bought a sewing machine for making costumes and even various rigging... and I spent a couple months on a big sewing forum like this... and it took only 3 days to have girls emailing me steadily...
Something to think about.
Here ya go, guys. Knock yourselves out.
Used Sewing Machines on Ebay (http://shop.ebay.com/items/__sewing-machine_W0QQ_nkwZsewingQ20machineQQQ5ftrksidZp3286 Q2ec0Q2em282QQCondition441b8cfbZUsed285fddQQ_dmptZ BIQ5fSewingQ5fMachinesQQ_ssovZ1)
:beer:
Anhar Miah
08-07-2008, 07:55 AM
Matt I've got this one suite and I need the arm length to be a tad shorter, I like to have my cuff links showing.
should I trim then fold in and stitch?
how would I avoid the stitch from showing on the outside arms?
Erik Olson
08-07-2008, 08:09 AM
Penguin could up his girl game with that Firebird (restored, of course), a wavy mullet and a rocking jean jacket with fire-eagle emblem in rhinestones.
Ladies (all both of you), tell me I'm right.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/4021/1218120066.jpg
The dog, the Ride (not pictured) and the Girl...
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lhdor
08-07-2008, 08:20 AM
Penguin isn't too girly.
Remember "beware of the penguins!"
I won't go with a car name cause most cars are called she. may as well be mustang sally.
call him tripod =)
Will Clegg
08-07-2008, 08:27 AM
There's also girlwithamoviecamera. IIRC Ms. Caffesse posts from time to time. And Cazcam, of course ;) (for you TimeFest fans)
ilauzirika
08-07-2008, 08:38 AM
so we have 6 or so........
Mark Harris
08-07-2008, 08:58 AM
There's also girlwithamoviecamera. IIRC Ms. Caffesse posts from time to time. And Cazcam, of course ;) (for you TimeFest fans)
Although you know Cazcam is a guy, right? Or more specifically two guys...:)
For a time, we had Luis_Girlfreind as well during lovefest, but she got banned for fighting with Miss Caffesse.
Capt Quirk
08-07-2008, 09:02 AM
For a time, we had Luis_Girlfreind as well during lovefest, but she got banned for fighting with Miss Caffesse.And if anyone had the forethought to grab a camera and a pool full of pudding, we could have had a major Pay Per View event. But noooooooo....
Will Clegg
08-07-2008, 09:03 AM
Yeah, that's why I included the winky smile. I think most people know Cazcam = Mac+Zac
Nathyn
08-07-2008, 10:45 AM
Isn't there a woman here name AmyO? I remember the name because there was a movie with the same name that used to play on IFC a lot.
-Nate
Tom Marshall
08-07-2008, 10:50 AM
Yeah, she had an entry in this past dvxuser fest, Timefest.
Charli
08-07-2008, 11:01 AM
I'm NOT a girl, let's get this right, I'm a
TOM BOY!!!!
Sheesh, I beat up girls for breakfast, lol. Yes, Anhar is right, I am a girl who love to take long walks on the beach, cough, cough, gag. Okay, I LOVE to go to the beach, but not to take long walks, give me $5 and I'm going to go play some video games, I embarrassed a few of our dvxuser males by destroying them at a game of air hockey. To be fair, they did have a few beers before we played....
I don't sew (looks at Matt) or oogle Penguins.
I love to watch rugby and football and sometimes soccer on t.v. I'm your girl, boys!
Tom Marshall
08-07-2008, 11:06 AM
I embarrassed a few of our dvxuser males by destroying them at a game of air hockey. To be fair, they did have a few beers before we played....
Wait, you what? embarrassed them?? Is that what you said? In that case, one of them probably wants a rematch. :cheesy:
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 11:21 AM
I am a lady.
Sorry for the late response, Just found this thread and then I couldn't find the end of it.
ha ha... hey there, welcome to the club :)
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 11:24 AM
I'm NOT a girl, let's get this right, I'm a
TOM BOY!!!!
Sheesh, I beat up girls for breakfast, lol. Yes, Anhar is right, I am a girl who love to take long walks on the beach, cough, cough, gag. Okay, I LOVE to go to the beach, but not to take long walks, give me $5 and I'm going to go play some video games, I embarrassed a few of our dvxuser males by destroying them at a game of air hockey. To be fair, they did have a few beers before we played....
I don't sew (looks at Matt) or oogle Penguins.
I love to watch rugby and football and sometimes soccer on t.v. I'm your girl, boys!
sup Charli!!! well you sound like me. i have an air hockey table in my apartment and i just finished up the aztec level on Goldeneye N64 (i like retro...)
i also play guitar. heh.
i think i should win an award for starting a thread with the most page views in less than 24 hours... yeah that's right, this thread was started about 20 hours ago.
oh yeah, and i think every time i post a question now, i'm going to include 'i'm a girl' in the title. just a little test....heh.
Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 11:34 AM
what about the girl and guy that made the red shoes entry for timefest?
Also... we have this person:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=8718 :evil:
Mark Harris
08-07-2008, 11:45 AM
what about the girl and guy that made the red shoes entry for timefest?
Also... we have this person:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=8718 :evil:
I already mentioned Penguin's mom.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 11:46 AM
zing!
John C Lyons
08-07-2008, 01:17 PM
But who doesn't think a girl with a camera is sexy?
(If it's any consolation, my good friend is an excellent DoP and she is also a woman.)
Lyons Den Productions' co-owner and DP is a very talented woman.
Let's not forget Jan Crittenden....
Yes, Jan Crittenden is THE woman on this site. We have Jan to thank in large part for the DVX (and other great cams).
Jared Meyer
08-07-2008, 01:25 PM
I don't blame women here for not advertising their gender. Couple years ago I changed my avatar to a picture of my wife and got hit on almost instantly. Slightest hint that a forum member is female and, for better or worse, suddenly that's all anyone can talk about.
God love you, Internet. :)
Everts
08-07-2008, 01:58 PM
If you think about it, the fact that its 2008 makes this even more interesting, in the sense that in the so called new "modern age", the indie scene is still male orientated (even globally)
Maybe I'm lucky but half off the people I work with are all women.
Producers,writers,cameraman, editors.
When this thread has served its purpose and we find out how many women there are on dvxuser.com
We can have a poll and we can choose whose hot and whose not.:kiss:
Sad Max
08-07-2008, 03:03 PM
I can't really address the indy scene, but on studio projects there are a lot of women in both technical and creative positions.
Gord.T
08-07-2008, 03:12 PM
There's a couple actresses around as well. Rebecca from Norms shorts comes to mind although I don't think she posts that much, but she's been a regular around dvx for quite some time.
I'm a male, and no I'm not hot. Used to be. Not now, unless your an old nag and likes other old nags.
//just kidding. Im still hot, always will be, and most of all I still rock.
//for an old nag that is.
Anhar Miah
08-07-2008, 03:35 PM
"hotness" is in the eye of the beholder... :D
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 03:36 PM
i'm getting a flood of facebook friend requests.. hee hee......
Gord.T
08-07-2008, 03:52 PM
i'm getting a flood of facebook friend requests.. hee hee......
I'm not.:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer: lol.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 03:57 PM
heh. awww. poor raptor.. u can add me???? :)
why doesnt dvxuser have a chat room? this post is officially 24 hours old and we've got 16 pages of posts and over 1,800 views!!!!
Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 04:03 PM
dvxuser is one big chatroom...
Later,
Jason
Mattykins
08-07-2008, 04:06 PM
Facebook is something I am starting to hate. I only keep it to talk to friends here and there and see what people are up to.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 04:08 PM
i love facebook mostly due to the video application. i upload all my videos i make on there and get lots of positive feedback (comments) from my friends. if i didnt have that, i'd feel like i was alone with no support.... sad, but true!
i also like creeping on peoples profiles... heh. ;)
JConnors
08-07-2008, 04:10 PM
Facebook is something I am starting to hate. I only keep it to talk to friends here and there and see what people are up to.
I'm waiting for the day were some guys life gets ruined cos someone posts a picture without asking or thinking twice. That's what bugged me about it and the reason I don't have a page anymore, people just posting up pictures, not ever asking, not that I have anything to hide, but still bugs me that whenever someone takes pictures at a party or something, immediately there up on facebook, the next day.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-07-2008, 04:10 PM
what about the girl and guy that made the red shoes entry for timefest?
Also... we have this person:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=8718 :evil:I already mentioned Penguin's mom.
Harrumph!
I don't sew (looks at Matt) or oogle Penguins.
Well why the hell not? This Penguin is single! :)
EDIT: I see no reason to participate in social networking sites like MySpace and Facebook. I have never had the desire and probably never will.
Gord.T
08-07-2008, 04:12 PM
lol. I'm not on Facebook and never will be.
Reminds me of my neice trying my xbox live game Ghost Recon, a war game. I told her, in all my wisdom, if you go on there, guys will be 'all' over you. Voice mike was included as part of the game so you can talk to people live as your playing.
She did...they did. I got to listen to the first night through the TV so we weeded out a few of the bad ones. I'm sitting there drinking and listening to these guys and jumping in going "hey hey hey, that's my neice"...ya know.
Then later , the guys would see Raptor365 logging in and playing and join the game, to find out it's me. The tone of thier voice would change pretty quickly, haha.
Mattykins
08-07-2008, 04:12 PM
Well, I get in a habit creeping people's profiles. And always run into hearing something I probably shouldn't have. And its hard to filter all the pictures and stuff. I don't allow people to take pictures of me at parties. But those get up still. And you need to go and detag them and everything. And making sure you watch what ends up on your wall.
I hate it, but I don't want to delete it just yet. My myspace is long since dead. As are my blogs and journals. The only social thing I have online yet it facebook. And it's days are numbered.
GageFX
08-07-2008, 04:15 PM
But who doesn't think a girl with a camera is sexy?
I'm coming in late, but I thought I'd add, I dont. I find a woman with a spatula and oven mitts much sexier.
GageFX
08-07-2008, 04:17 PM
i always pretend that GageFX and NoahK are women.....
So do I. And that we are sexy lesbians doing naughty things with our Noga arms.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 04:18 PM
I'm coming in late, but I thought I'd add, I dont. I find a woman with a spatula and oven mitts much sexier.
so you're a lesbian? heh heh.. if you read all my posts then you will get that.. if not... well. nevermind. ;)
GageFX
08-07-2008, 04:25 PM
I read through to about page 10. I cant take anymore. You ladies have fun.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-07-2008, 05:01 PM
I read through to about page 10. I cant take anymore. You ladies have fun.
If you will direct your attention to Anhar's pie chart you will see that this forum (and by extension, this thread) is dominated by people from the MALE community. Yes there are a few females and yes there is one Penguin, but you have made a gross generalization and quite frankly I am offended.
:grin:
Brandon Rice
08-07-2008, 05:05 PM
i'm getting a flood of facebook friend requests.. hee hee......
I couldn't find you on there :(
GageFX
08-07-2008, 05:07 PM
i'm getting a flood of facebook friend requests.. hee hee......
Now I have to go check that other thread cause it seems everyone on DVXUser is in highschool... or is a 13 yr old girl. (Sorry Penguin. 12 yr old girl.)
Facebook? Really?
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 05:08 PM
well look for my profile pic which is the same as my avatar here. and maybe filter the alison parkers down to only the one's in the vancouver network.
u are spelling my name right, right? :)
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 05:15 PM
I found you.
Brandon Rice
08-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Found ya!
There are more than 1 Alison Parker's in BC!!
Mattykins
08-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Now I have to go check that other thread cause it seems everyone on DVXUser is in highschool... or is a 13 yr old girl. (Sorry Penguin. 12 yr old girl.)
Facebook? Really?
See, I though most were older members. I didn't realize there were really young ones aside from penguin, robbie (when he was here) and a few others. I thought I was in the minority.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 05:30 PM
I found you.
your facebook skillz are unparalleled.
Blaine
08-07-2008, 05:30 PM
Lingothree (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?find=lastposter&t=141954) is of the Female persuasion. Then there's MsManhattan and marlenedegrood.
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 05:35 PM
your facebook skillz are unparalleled.
I know, I know, I'm amazing, I know.
So what is this new facebook? This isn't going to be like that new coke nonsense, is it?
Brandon Rice
08-07-2008, 05:41 PM
I hate the "new facebook"
Mattykins
08-07-2008, 05:43 PM
I don't use it, the new one.
But at this point I am considering letting some of you DVXers in on my page. Haha.
Ferret Lady
08-07-2008, 05:48 PM
ha ha. yeah i tried the new facebook, hated it, and went back to the old one. thank god we still of the option of using the old one. at least for now, anyways...
i fear change.
Sad Max
08-07-2008, 07:37 PM
I'm in touch with my feminine side.
Does that count?
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 07:41 PM
Depends on how you look in a dress.
Sad Max
08-07-2008, 08:08 PM
Ho, ho, so it's all about looks.
You pig.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-07-2008, 09:03 PM
Now I have to go check that other thread cause it seems everyone on DVXUser is in highschool... or is a 13 yr old girl. (Sorry Penguin. 12 yr old girl.)
Facebook? Really?
I am never going to get past this. You know, if I stop correcting you people may actually think I am fucking 12 years old! And I am tired of correcting you!
Billy Pilgrim
08-07-2008, 09:09 PM
Ho, ho, so it's all about looks.
You pig.
We already know you have the personality, so now let's see if you have the goods to back it up.
thartley
08-07-2008, 09:25 PM
I am never going to get past this. You know, if I stop correcting you people may actually think I am poo pooing 12 years old! And I am tired of correcting you!
Hey Penguin, you are more man than most around here. I highly recommend you for egg duty to any distance running, food gathering femmes in the house. :beer:
ConspiracyPenguin
08-07-2008, 09:30 PM
Hey Penguin, you are more man than most around here. I highly recommend you for egg duty to any distance running, food gathering femmes in the house. :beer:
I appreciate the kind words, T. :grin:
Ferret Lady
08-08-2008, 01:03 AM
big news guys. I FOUND ANOTHER GIRL. and she's one of my friends!!!
Michele Seidman is a dvxuser member and was the lead actress in A Little Mouth To Feed! she's a very good friend of mine and i was just shocked to find out she's a member of this forum... although i have a feeling she hasnt posted in a long time.. but nonetheless, very cool. :)
after_effects
08-08-2008, 02:55 AM
Girls?
Charli
08-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Sad Max - so, you're in touch with your feminine side? Hmmmm, may I 'touch' your feminine side? ha ha ha, honestly I prefer to goof around with boys but I'm not butch, lol. Thought I put that out there, just in case.
Penguin - uh, cuz they're birds and I'm not into bird watching... penguins though are a little cute, though, huh.
J.R. Hudson
08-08-2008, 11:04 AM
big news guys. I FOUND ANOTHER GIRL. and she's one of my friends!!!
Michele Seidman is a dvxuser member and was the lead actress in A Little Mouth To Feed! she's a very good friend of mine and i was just shocked to find out she's a member of this forum... although i have a feeling she hasnt posted in a long time.. but nonetheless, very cool. :)
You know Michele ?
She's rad. :beer:
Ferret Lady
08-08-2008, 11:22 AM
ya, she's totally rad! and she just might be checkin in with us... very soon....
ConspiracyPenguin
08-08-2008, 12:05 PM
Penguin - uh, cuz they're birds and I'm not into bird watching... penguins though are a little cute, though, huh.
But I'm a cool bird. Just ask the people I met when I was in LA. :)
Ferret Lady
08-13-2008, 01:02 AM
hey, wasn't 'Nick Lane' Michael J Fox's character's name in the movie The Hard Way?
Ferret Lady
08-13-2008, 01:03 AM
nevermind, that was nick lang..
egproductions
08-13-2008, 08:24 AM
My wife is a DVX User member, but the only time she every goes on is to PM me since she knows that's the only way she can get through to me. True story.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-13-2008, 01:34 PM
nevermind, that was nick lang..
Close enough. :)
Tom Marshall
08-13-2008, 01:40 PM
I don't know, but rumor has it Nick owns a DeLorean... :huh:
Jeff Anderson
08-13-2008, 01:41 PM
I don't know, but rumor has it Nick owns a DeLorean... :huh:
I've always wanted one of those.... Nick if you've got a DeLorean and havent been telling us about I'm gonna have to kick your ass. Well I may have Tommy do it. I'm too dainty.
HorseFilms
08-13-2008, 01:51 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/232/1218291866.jpg
Tom Marshall
08-13-2008, 01:54 PM
http://coreygilmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg
ConspiracyPenguin
08-13-2008, 02:45 PM
I've always wanted one of those.... Nick if you've got a DeLorean and havent been telling us about I'm gonna have to kick your ass. Well I may have Tommy do it. I'm too dainty.
I don't have a DeLorean. But, I did just save a bunch of money by switching my car insurance to Geico.*
*Not really, but am considering it.
Tommy, that last picture was too far. TOO FAR!
:)
Tom Marshall
08-13-2008, 02:48 PM
Tommy, that last picture was too far. TOO FAR!
:)
Trust me, I picked the safe one to use. :laugh:
Jeff Anderson
08-13-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't have a DeLorean. But, I did just save a bunch of money by switching my car insurance to Geico.*
*Not really, but am considering it.
Tommy, that last picture was too far. TOO FAR!
:)
I personally suggest Progressive. That gecko freaks me out.
Nice pic Tommy. Makes me want to go hit an animal with a bat.
KIDDING!!!!
ConspiracyPenguin
08-13-2008, 07:13 PM
Trust me, I picked the safe one to use. :laugh:
You pervert. :)
I personally suggest Progressive. That gecko freaks me out.
I have my reasons for not choosing Progressive which I won't (and maybe can't) disclose right here right now. :lipsrseal Oh, and by the way, I LOVE the gecko. he is phat with a ph. :)
Jeff Anderson
08-13-2008, 07:40 PM
I have my reasons for not choosing Progressive which I won't (and maybe can't) disclose right here right now. :lipsrseal Oh, and by the way, I LOVE the gecko. he is phat with a ph. :)
Fair enough, I just like em cause I can login and pay and have yet to have to deal with a person there. I cant ever remember how to spell geico (or is it gieco??) so I cant type in the website easy enough. I'm a lazy buyer. You just go with whatever makes you happy Nickster. The gecko really does creep me out though. But so does ronald mcdonald. Still eat there a few times a week. But you know who really creeps me out is this guy -
http://www.chattahbox.com/images/Burger_King_bath_sink.jpg
Tommy you got any pictures of some guys beating him with a bat?? thats what this thread needs. And I needs a whopper. mmmmmmmmmm.
Ferret Lady
08-13-2008, 07:54 PM
was that horse a female? let's keep it on topic guys ha ha jk
ConspiracyPenguin
08-13-2008, 09:06 PM
was that horse a female?
By the sounds of what Tommy was looking at I have a feeling he would know. :evil:
Ferret Lady
08-13-2008, 09:29 PM
i predict we're about three posts away from getting shut DOWN.
ConspiracyPenguin
08-13-2008, 10:06 PM
1
Just kidding. I don't see why...:huh:
Anhar Miah
08-14-2008, 02:40 PM
Trust me, I picked the safe one to use. :laugh:
ahh I see, I hope that was not from that website horsedrowning.com??
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
08-14-2008, 02:50 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/232/1218291866.jpg
http://coreygilmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg
I just had to:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/15909/1218747014.jpg
:) (forgive my hurried photoshop ability)
ConspiracyPenguin
08-14-2008, 10:49 PM
:grin: Tom should have done that from the get go. I guess we know who gets 5 points today.
HorseFilms
08-15-2008, 06:10 AM
I just had to:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/15909/1218747014.jpg
:) (forgive my hurried photoshop ability)
Nice!:beer:
Anhar Miah
08-15-2008, 11:17 AM
Is that Matt Leblanc (the one with the baseball) ?
HorseFilms
08-15-2008, 11:38 AM
Is that Matt Leblanc (the one with the baseball) ?
It's Ron Livingston.
Tom Marshall
08-15-2008, 01:43 PM
You pervert. :)
No, I chose the pic that wouldn't make people lose their lunch... go ahead, do a Google image search for "dead horse". :zombie_smiley:
Fair enough, I just like em cause I can login and pay and have yet to have to deal with a person there. I cant ever remember how to spell geico (or is it gieco??) so I cant type in the website easy enough. I'm a lazy buyer. You just go with whatever makes you happy Nickster. The gecko really does creep me out though. But so does ronald mcdonald. Still eat there a few times a week. But you know who really creeps me out is this guy -
http://www.chattahbox.com/images/Burger_King_bath_sink.jpg
Tommy you got any pictures of some guys beating him with a bat?? thats what this thread needs. And I needs a whopper. mmmmmmmmmm.
No, sorry Jeff. I sure don't... :laugh:
Sad Max
08-15-2008, 01:55 PM
Check out that Burger King bling, though...