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Nathyn
08-06-2008, 08:00 AM
PANASONIC ANNOUNCES AVAILABITY AND PRICING FOR NEW
AG-HPX170 FULLY SOLID-STATE P2 HD HANDHELD CAMCORDER

** New Lightweight P2 HD Handheld Offers 20 HD/SD Record Formats, 20-Step Variable Frame Rates, Widest Zoom Lens, HD-SDI Output and 5-year Warranty **

SECAUCUS, NJ (August 6, 2008) – Panasonic Broadcast today announced that its new AG-HPX170 fully solid-state P2 HD handheld camcorder will be available in late September at a suggested list price of $5,695, which includes a 16GB P2 card in the box along with The HVX and HPX Book by Barry Green. Building on the AG-HVX200’s phenomenal success, the HPX170 features high definition and standard definition recording, the widest zoom lens in its class, and an HD-SDI interface for connection to baseband production and distribution infrastructure, all in a lightweight 4.2-pound body

Fully solid-state, the two-slot HPX170 is an ultra-mobile HD/SD camcorder that offers the compelling advantages of P2 technology including: no moving parts, unlike tape, hard disk drive, or disc-based systems; instant random access to recorded HD or SD content; a faster IT compatible file-based workflow; and the ability to operate in harsh environments with resistance to temperature extremes, shock and vibration.

Providing exceptional, independent-frame compression in 20 HD and SD formats, the HPX170 records in a variety of 1080i/1080p and 720p formats in DVCPRO HD, 480i in DVCPRO50 and DVCPRO, and 480i in DV. It is switchable between 16:9/4:3 aspect ratios.

The HPX170’s 1/3” progressive 16:9 3-CCD imager offers an excellent signal-to-noise ratio, lower noise and smear and better low-light performance. Its digital signal processor with 14-bit A/D conversion and 19-bit processing assures high-quality recordings necessary for broadcast and top-level production. Because the HPX170 scans the initial image at a native 1080p/60, images maintain the highest quality possible across conversions.

For shooting versatility, the compact P2 HD handheld comes with a wide 3.9mm – 51mm (equivalent to 28mm on a 35mm lens) 13X Leica Dicomar zoom lens (the widest in its class). Precise zoom and focus operation is assured with features like a cam-driven manual zoom ring, 10X digital zoom, manual focus ring and aperture control, as well as valuable HD focus assist functions including histogram, 2X center blow-up and a Focus Bar. It also has built-in waveform and vectorscope display features. The camera’s Dynamic Range Stretch (DRS), as a 60p/60i feature, automatically suppresses blown highlights and dark shadows. In addition, an Optical Image Stabilizer (O.I.S.) function automatically corrects blurring so images remain crisp and sharp.

For the ultimate creative flexibility, the HPX170 offers an expanded 20-step frame rate selection in 720p mode for variable-speed shooting in the 12fps to 60fps range to acquire fast- or slow-motion in-camera effects. Professionals can select from six advanced gamma modes including CineGammaTM, which produces the warm tones characteristic of film recordings.

The HPX170 has two P2 card slots, so users can record up to 64 continuous minutes of the highest quality DVCPRO HD recording using currently available 32GB P2 cards. Record times will double with the release of Panasonic’s 64GB P2 card in the fall. Other user-friendly recording modes offered are hot swapping for non-stop recording, loop record, pre-record, interval and one-shot recording. New functions have been added to the User buttons including last-clip delete, Pre-Record, and the variable frame rates can be toggled through. A time/date stamp function makes the camcorder ideal for use in law enforcement and legal environments. An enhanced metadata input features a software keyboard to add key data about the shooting environment.

The HPX170 records four channels of uncompressed, 16-bit digital audio for superb audio performance.
It is equipped with an HD/SD-SDI output standard for live feed productions as well as for editing and monitoring. It also has a 6-pin locking IEEE 1394 interface and an USB 2.0 interface for fast P2 content transfer into NLE systems, and offers a composite output, component output (mini D-terminal.) The camera also features a built-in stereo microphone and two-channel XLR audio input terminals supporting 48V phantom power supply and is switchable between mic and line. Manual audio level volume is offered on two of the channels.

Other convenient operational features include SMPTE time generator/reader, clip preview on the camera’s 3.5” color LCD monitor, instant recording startup, shot marker, text memo, six pre-set scene files, the ability to load new settings into the camera via an SD card slot, three assignable user buttons, and remote control of zoom, rec, focus and iris.

The AG-HPX170 is backed by Panasonic’s five-year limited P2 HD warranty.* This warranty is unprecedented in cameras at this level.

About P2 HD

P2 HD all solid-state products offer high-definition recording without the mechanical wear and environmental limitations of tape, hard disk, and optical disc based systems. P2 HD ensures the highest reliability, especially in challenging conditions of extreme temperature range, shock, and vibration. P2 HD products provide a significant reduction in maintenance costs, longer useful product life, and immediate access to recorded video (no need to digitize, ingest or create proxy video files) and metadata. P2 HD provides the reliability of solid-state production; the immediate connectivity to existing IT infrastructures; the speed, ease of use and portability of P2 cards; and interoperability with leading NLE systems.

About Panasonic Broadcast

Panasonic Broadcast & Television Systems Co. is a leading supplier of broadcast and professional video products and systems. Panasonic Broadcast is a unit company of Panasonic Corporation of North
America. The company is the North American headquarters of Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (NYSE: MC) of Japan, and the hub of its U.S. marketing, sales, service and R&D operations. For more information on Panasonic Broadcast products, access the company’s web site at www.panasonic.com/broadcast.

*To lower total ownership costs, Panasonic offers a five-year limited warranty (Panasonic Broadcast’s normal 1-year basic warranty plus an extended warranty for years two through five upon product registration).

AwakenedFilms
08-06-2008, 08:13 AM
Nice!

dbwolfe
08-06-2008, 10:23 AM
time for a dedicated HPX170 thread in the Panasonic camera section

aalleexx
08-06-2008, 10:27 AM
wow great news, what is the street price?

nsoltz
08-06-2008, 10:43 AM
B&H has it listed for $5195

saturnin
08-06-2008, 10:48 AM
that is great news... hvxA is the same price tho... hmmmm....... is the 170 supposed to faze out the hvx even tho the A just came out not to long ago.

aalleexx
08-06-2008, 11:03 AM
wow..... I wonder if spec-comm is going to beat B&H price

very nice...very nice :) I like I like

Luis Caffesse
08-06-2008, 11:06 AM
Includes a 16GB card?
Awesome.

jpsheets
08-06-2008, 11:22 AM
Excellent. I was hoping they'd have it out before late September so I could use it for Twilight Fest, but oh well.

AmyO
08-06-2008, 12:22 PM
Excellent. I was hoping they'd have it out before late September so I could use it for Twilight Fest, but oh well.

Same here. But, that will just give me time to properly save up for the camera rather than rack up more CC debt :) .

ecking
08-06-2008, 12:24 PM
That means that in panasonic canada will make it cost 5699, with no p2 cards and no books. I hate panasonic broadcast canada.

Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 01:44 PM
you never know what panasonic canada might offer. not saying they will offer something else, but they might. have to wait and see before you decide if you hate them or not :)

no mention of 50hz/60hz at all.... booo

DC
08-06-2008, 01:57 PM
wow..... I wonder if spec-comm is going to beat B&H price

very nice...very nice :) I like I like

$5195.00

http://www.spec-comm.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=118_23&products_id=784

RYoshino
08-06-2008, 05:10 PM
With the price point looking exactly the same, why would one want to buy a 200a over this new camera? It seems the 170 does SD on cards, better warranty, HD-SDI....Am I missing something?

Sirocco
08-06-2008, 05:32 PM
the convenience of tape recording. Still a requierement for many professionnels.

saturnin
08-06-2008, 07:17 PM
that unit will no doubt sell for 6300+ in canada i bet, i buy all my stuff in the US...and bring it across ..... CAnadian pricing blows

lifestylefilms
08-06-2008, 10:57 PM
..... CAnadian pricing blows

qft.

Jason Ramsey
08-06-2008, 11:00 PM
The only reason to buy the 200a over the 170 would be if you needed to record minidv to tape. Other than that, get the 170 and enjoy the extras it has that the 200a does not.

later,
Jason

ilauzirika
08-07-2008, 04:26 AM
While I was looking for some info in Panasonic broadcast europe I found the european press release (http://panasonic-broadcast.com/index.cfm?uuid=4F16DC959E5451116E59FDE942D96DD0&search_text=hpx171&xtra=1) for the hpx171, and it said that the retail price is "AG-HPX171E is €4,350 plus VAT"
So in the end it would be something around 5000€..... Shame it doesn't say anything about an included 16gb card.....

Goldmond
08-07-2008, 01:15 PM
Very very very cool, and very exciting. And with a 5 year warrenty!?! Sa-weeet!

Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 01:33 PM
I just saw this interesting post regarding ntsc/pal:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=917759&postcount=6

I'm waiting for some kind of confirmation on that... maybe I'm blind and am not seeing it in the press-release?

Later,
Jason

Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 03:16 PM
Ok... so apparently the dealer press-release stated that us cameras can get a free pal upgrade after registering for the additional 4 year warranty. it's listed on birns and sawyers website as such.

Can spec-comm confirm this detail?

late,r
Jason

jpsheets
08-07-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm confused about this whole PAL upgrade. Does this mean you could shoot in both NTSC and PAL? Now I know pal is the superior format, but if you're shooting here in the U.S. why would you shoot in pal?

Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread here.

Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 06:07 PM
some people don't shoot projects only in the u.s. or only for u.s. markets. It's not about pal "being a superior format"... you shoot the format you need for your client, or your audience.

cameras being NTSC/PAL switchable is a growing trend IMO.

Later,
Jason

Barry_Green
08-07-2008, 08:06 PM
The straight story is that if you want the upgrade, it's a $300 service fee. The 170 is priced $300 less than the HVX200A, which means that if you want it switchable it's basically the same price as the HVX; if you don't need switchability you can save $300.

Bottom line being, yes there's a factory upgrade path for those who need it to be switchable!

Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 08:18 PM
sweet.

Later,
Jason

jpsheets
08-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Thanks for explaining that Jason. That makes a lot of sense. Now you've got me wondering if I should shell out another $300 for making switchable!

cheers,

Jon

Barry_Green
08-07-2008, 08:49 PM
If you don't know why you'd do it, then you don't need it. Guys like Jason and me need it because we spend a ton of time overseas. Rental houses need it because foreign crews come to the US all the time to shoot stuff. The average user probably doesn't have any need for it at all.

SPZ
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
With the price point looking exactly the same, why would one want to buy a 200a over this new camera? It seems the 170 does SD on cards, better warranty, HD-SDI....Am I missing something?

Not that simple. While the HPX170 advantages are many, there is something that is theoretically worse: The lens. Barry stated the new lens on full telephoto full open is 3.2, while the HVX one is 2.8.

Theoreticaly it would mean the HVX at 3.2 would be slightly sharper (by this I mean slightly, slightly!) due to it not being with the iris full open.

Also, the HVX200a has more telephoto. Again, slightly more. This is more evident compared to the Original HVX, the one with the longest telephoto compared to the 2. However, the HPX170 does have a better wide angle.

This can be something to take into consideration, specialy if you are into event coverage where bigger Zoom is needed.

If you are an indie (guerrila) filmmaker that uses adapters, however, it should theoreticaly be the HPX170 all the way- lighter, adapter friendly (flip LCD, waveform focus assist), HD-SDI (for capture boxes like convergent design's Nanoflash), etc.

I would still wait for Barry's final built review, by the way. He'll certainly take these issues into consideration on his article.

EDIT- Woohoo! Pal and Ntsc Switchable! 720p60 ! Woohoo! (Sorry for the outburst :) )

egyptianboxer104
08-07-2008, 10:41 PM
This camera vs the red scarlet. Which one would you purchase?

Jason Ramsey
08-07-2008, 10:46 PM
Ask again once scarlet is actually released :)

Later,
Jason

Barry_Green
08-08-2008, 05:36 AM
Barry stated the new lens on full telephoto full open is 3.2, while the HVX one is 2.8.
Not quite; the 170 is 3.0 at full telephoto, not 3.2. So the difference is 2.8 vs. 3.0, which (in practical testing) is negligible. It's like a 1/6-stop difference.

The 170 is wider than the 200A by about 7%, so more wide angle, and less telephoto.


If you are an indie (guerrila) filmmaker that uses adapters, however, it should theoreticaly be the HPX170 all the way- lighter, adapter friendly (flip LCD, waveform focus assist), HD-SDI (for capture boxes like convergent design's Nanoflash), etc.
I'd have a hard time recommending the 200A over the 170 to just about anyone, excepting these special-purpose uses:
1) someone who needs a DV tape drive
2) someone who needs to be able to input analog video and convert it to DV.

Other than that, I'd say it's all in the 170's favor, top to bottom, start to finish.

Nathyn
08-08-2008, 09:24 PM
A lot of talk about the Red Scarlett but who can handle 3k. And who here is constantly outputting to film. This camera seems to be pretty hot for the average pro shooter.

-Nate

Joseph Stunzi
08-08-2008, 11:49 PM
Here's what I think about RED Scarlet. No one knows what's in store. RED has certainly rocked the expectations as to what a camera should be and how much it should cost. However, I agree with Jason. Let's just wait until it comes out and we start seeing workflow, demo footage, true cost, accessories, the works.

Pariahgrinch
08-09-2008, 12:15 AM
The difference isn't astronomical enough to infuse the fever. 200, 200a...if you know how to use a camera, you please the client. I've tossed together projects on a SVHS camera that have knocked the socks off of the money hand, ability and personality will always watch the sunrise.

watson
08-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Quick Question. Do you need to decided on the PAL upgrade before you buy the camera? or can you send it back later on to have the conversion done? Thanks!

Jason Ramsey
08-09-2008, 11:47 AM
you send it in once you've registered for the extra 4 year warranty is what I believe is the protocol.

You will have to send it in every time you update your firmware if you want to keep the pal functions and upgrade your firmware, according to Jan. She also said that there is a 500 dollar pal upgrade option that will allow you to do that for free forever if you want to stay current on firmware updates and keep your pal functionality. just pay for shipping to them, I would presume.

Not the most convenient thing in the world, but hey... at least the option is there for those who want/need PAL/NTSC switchability.

later,
Jason

Barry_Green
08-09-2008, 12:48 PM
In the 2.5-year history of the HVX200, the only firmware update that ever came out that was actually useful was the update to allow 16GB (and larger) cards. I doubt there will be much in the way of firmware updating going on with these new units either.

I'd vote that they just do the "once and it sticks" firmware update and that's it...

Jan_Crittenden
08-09-2008, 01:59 PM
Hi Barry,

I would recommend the $500 upgrade which means that you can have the PAL upgrade redone for free should your desired download not be downloadable without causing the PAL to go away, especially if you have more than one camera.

You don't know, but I have a hunch that there will be a fimware upgrade towards the end of next year. Now I am not saying that it absolutely will happen, but I think the $500 is the safer investment.

Best,

Jan

Everts
08-09-2008, 02:02 PM
In the 2.5-year history of the HVX200, the only firmware update that ever came out that was actually useful was the update to allow 16GB (and larger) cards. I doubt there will be much in the way of firmware updating going on with these new units either.

I'd vote that they just do the "once and it sticks" firmware update and that's it...


Same here