Official Twilight Fest Rules

[Barry_Green]

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DVXUSER.COM PRESENTS TwilightFest

Theme: Everything may not be as it appears...perhaps there's a sneaking feeling that something is seriously wrong here...or maybe you're caught between two worlds or realities where anything can happen...

Think The Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, Night Gallery, The Outer Limits, American Gothic, Tales from the Darkside, Amazing Stories....etc. Good luck to all the filmmakers and we look forward to your entries!



Rules (please read carefully, we have some NEW rules)

Films can be in any genre as long as they adhere to the above theme. If you have any questions about whether your film conforms to the theme please ask. Examples and further explanations of the theme will follow in a different thread, but in general the theme will need to include some fantastical, science-fiction, supernatural, or otherwise unexplainable element or elements.


All films must be no longer than six minutes (6:00) total (including credits).


The following elements must be included:

Film Title (any format and can appear anywhere in the film),


DVXuser leader--this will be posted on the web site by October 1 and must be at the beginning of your film--no exceptions! (the runtime of the leader does not count against your six minutes).
REQUIRED ELEMENT: All films must CLEARLY include a ball in at least one scene. Guys--don't be too subtle here--we want to see a clearly visible ball. At the time of upload you will be required to point out where in the film the element appears for one occurrence via time code. (clarification 1 (http://dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1344558&postcount=74)) (clarification 2 (http://dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1351103&postcount=129))



All cameras are eligible to participate and for prizes.
Content must be "R" rated or lower. If you are unsure; ASK.
No copyright violations, you *must* use licensed or royalty-free music.
All filmmakers agree to grant DVXuser.com and its agents non-exclusive rights for their films to appear on a DVD or for DVXuser-sanctioned public screenings.
Deliverables must be provided as an h.264 compressed file (either .mov or .mp4) with a maximum size of 50 MB. Uploading website will be announced in the future.
All aspect ratios are acceptable.
Contest open to every country and films may be in any language. Non-English films must have English subtitles.
All films must be made between July 15, 2008 and October 27, 2008 and must not have been publicly screened prior to the start of viewing. The entry deadline is 11:00 am Pacific Time on October 27, 2008. The upload system is not yet open; we will announce when uploading is open.
Outside promotion is not allowed.
Voting is limited to members with a minimum of 50 posts on the site. Other restrictions may be announced when voting is opened.
Films may be entered in other festivals as long as they aren’t screened prior to November 1, 2008.
Users may enter their film anonymously, but must clear this with the DVXUser moderators before they post their film thread in the forum.
All films will be prescreened by DVXFest staff for compliance with festival rules. Entries that aren't approved will be notified by a moderator and may be re-submitted with corrections up until the deadline. The festival moderators have sole and final say, on a case by case basis if necessary.
No entry fee.
You may enter up to two films as the primary filmmaker. There is no limitation to how many films you may work on.
Prizes, if any, will be announced.
Uploading details will be announced in the near future. When screening opens, films will not be listed alphabetically, they will be listed for viewing in the order received.

[Simon Höfer]

Sweeeeeet :) Thanks Barry!

Let's get it on :evil:

[Max R. Wilson]

Whooohoo finally!

[Tom Marshall]

Make sure Dustin Rogan knows the meaning of "ball" :evil:

[Max R. Wilson]

Make sure Dustin Rogan knows the meaning of "ball" :evil:
your such a perv...

[Tom Marshall]

your such a perv...

I'm just sayin'...

[GageFX]

Tommy will be the final judge. He knows just what Rogan's balls look like.

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

Barry, can you please clarify to allow outside promotion that points people back here? So no outside websites, but we should be able to announce our film on Reduser, MySpace, etc. that points back to a page here. It would be good for all.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Whoot! Whoot!

Wait, the rules were announced, this means I have ti start coming up with ideas for people. Shit! So much for a nice long break...

Best of luck everyone!

[Kholi]

They're allowing promotion on REDUser now? I don't think that's fair personally but if it's changed it's changed.

[Mark Harris]

Well, does it matter if they promote on RedUser, if people can't vote here?

Last fest, Larry R allowed me to post a link to the fest because some of the sponsors we had wanted to see the movie. It wasn't exactly promotion, but external exposure.

[Kholi]

If they can't vote then sure, but, why allow it then if REDuser's can't vote anyway?

If they can, then, those entries shot on RED could receive the automatic comrade vote. S'the only reason I think it's not exactly fair to everyone.

[Postmaster]

A ball?! WTF?

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

A ball eh.... hmmmm.

:)

[Simon Höfer]

A ball?! WTF?

Exactly :D

Maybe I could throw a ball at a zombie instead of an axe :cheesy: umm... NO!

[Mattykins]

Exactly :D

Maybe I could throw a ball at a zombie instead of an axe :cheesy: umm... NO!

They did something like that in shawn of the dead.

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

Kholi, wtf are you talking about? There's no exception for Reduser, I didnt even ask for that. I want 'outside promotion' clarified so that we can post links back to here on ANY website, MySpace and Reduser were examples. I can see them not wanting us creating outside websites, but we need to be able to post links/banners that drive traffic back here.

[Kholi]

So you mean DVXuser Fest links and not individual thread links. That's a good idea.

[karapetkov]

Can we have *two* balls in the short? :D

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

So you mean DVXuser Fest links and not individual thread links. That's a good idea.

No, I mean individual thread links. I want to link to my thread.

[Postmaster]

Can we have *two* balls in the short? :D


I got 2 balls in the shorts :happy:

[Derrick_SA]

I like the idea that the films will be presented in the order received, puts the pressure on to get them in on time, and also makes sure you can give your film a good name without worrying how far down the alphabet it starts.

- Derrick

[Kholi]

I like the idea that the films will be presented in the order received, puts the pressure on to get them in on time, and also makes sure you can give your film a good name without worrying how far down the alphabet it starts.

- Derrick

Didn't notice that. That's pretty cool, actually. Good new rule along with the voting system.

[Simon Höfer]

Didn't notice that. That's pretty cool, actually. Good new rule along with the voting system.

They had this rule already for timefest, but actually they forgot about it when they put up the download page :D

[Postmaster]

Phew! I was thinking about changing the name of my entry to

"A Door"

Frank

[egyptianboxer104]

Well mine would be

"A Ball"

And therefore above yours

[Larry Rutledge]

And mine will be "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Larry R Film" :grin:


Yep, we had the rule in place last fest, but I blew it and forgot to list them in that order. But I've updated the system to do it right this time.

[karapetkov]

Mine will be:

"Two balls in a row"

:cheesy:.

[Kyle Stebbins]

Woohoooo!!!! Definitely going to enter this time!!! AINT NO REASON NOT TO!!!!

[Blaine]

Woohoooo!!!! Definitely going to enter this time!!! AINT NO REASON NOT TO!!!!Talent? :huh:

[Kyle Stebbins]

Talent? :huh:

ZING!

[Gohanto]

And mine will be "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Larry R Film" :grin:


Yep, we had the rule in place last fest, but I blew it and forgot to list them in that order. But I've updated the system to do it right this time.

And I'd still be ahead of you if I change my title to "1l Time" :laugh:

[Geoff_R]

And I'd still be ahead of you if I change my title to "1l Time" :laugh:Too bad you'll be behind me since my idea resolves around binary code and is appropriately titled, "000101011"

[Rodney V. Smith]

a ball.... now I have NO idea what to write...

[Dustin R. Rogan]

fits mine!!

And Tom Marshall has a man-crush on Future Rogan

Rogan

[Barry_Green]

a ball.... now I have NO idea what to write...
The ball is not the central theme and the story does not have to revolve around the ball. It can be in the background, it could be kids on the street playing ball, it could be a trophy case with a baseball and glove, it could be in a kid's bedroom over in the corner, as long as you clearly point it out to us and give us a timecode reference. It doesn't have to be a big story element. It should be obviously there such that we and everyone know that this film was made specifically for DVXUser TwilightFest, but it doesn't have to impact your story at all.

[Jason Adams]

If they can't vote then sure, but, why allow it then if REDuser's can't vote anyway?

If they can, then, those entries shot on RED could receive the automatic comrade vote. S'the only reason I think it's not exactly fair to everyone.


I think a great rule for all these fests would be to NOT DECLARE THE ACQUISITION FORMAT.

Lets have no talk of Red cams, Letus ultimates, F900s, or cell phone cams.

Lets let the stories speak first then tell how we crafted them.

[Kholi]

It'll be hard for people not to talk about what they shot on but that could be interesting. It'd be a guessing game added to the fest, another level of interaction if you would.

[Geoff_R]

I think the stories do speak first. That's naturally what people are going to care about most. Talking about what camera you shot on is no different than talking about the locations you scouted/secured, or the sound designer/composer you brought aboard. I just don't see the point in limiting discussions.

[Rodney V. Smith]

i was kidding about the ball. i just wrote a scene involving the ball and come back to find I've been slapped around like a newbie by Barry Green himself. Not even Penguin or Rogan had a caustic remark for me.. you let Barry do your dirty work for you... you bastards!

[Jaime V]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but just want to clarify this part:

DVXuser leader--this will be posted on the web site by October 1 and must be at the beginning of your film--no exceptions! (the runtime of the leader does not count against your six minutes).

is a 'leader' like a trailer I assume?

[Kholi]

Puck I might be in GA in August if this job comes through for like three weeks. I'll stay for a fourth and we can shoot it up like coke addicts. :B

[Tom Marshall]

A leader is a short introduction to the short. It's usually the title of the show on a network broadcast which includes production company, running time, etc.

[Rodney V. Smith]

Puck I might be in GA in August if this job comes through for like three weeks. I'll stay for a fourth and we can shoot it up like coke addicts. :B

COOL! I got my straw ready!

Any idea when you'll be coming down yet? I'm gettingat least one other Atlanta DVXUser involved in one entry, SolomanChase and we'd love to collaborate/work with you on a shoot.

[ugafan]

Puck I might be in GA in August if this job comes through for like three weeks. I'll stay for a fourth and we can shoot it up like coke addicts. :B

i feel like i've been cheated on. :crybaby:

[Jason_Egan]

Hopefully I'll have my scheduling and time more set up for this and THIS will be my first fest!

I wasted too much time scripting for TimeFest and then couldn't schedule with my actors for the final 3 weeks before deadline T_T

[Jaime V]

A leader is a short introduction to the short. It's usually the title of the show on a network broadcast which includes production company, running time, etc.

Oh that makes more sense...thanks for the explanation! Good luck everyone!

[Zim]

Barry is that what you want as the leader? I just to get this nailed down.

The name of the film and production company? Is that good enough?
XXX Productions

The Unknown Story

then the film starts.

[Rodney V. Smith]

i feel like i've been cheated on. :crybaby:

Aren't you in ATL as well ugafan?

[chstick]

When is a ball 'not as it appears?' maybe it's the secret policeman's other ball.

Cool. looking forward to it.....to the twilight.

I like the suggestion earlier in this thread about NOT posting what camera was used. (sure the DVX admin's would know...but not everyone....well, yes, it would come up in the individual threads, but...)....that could make things a little more fair. As I have noticed, over the past two DVXfests, that the RED usually gets a little extra push (well....not in the case of PUSH.....but usually).

Or even have camera divisions (yes, like sports). then have the division winners square off. Just a suggestion to help even the playing field (as I cheerfully withdraw my suggestion for PRO and AM divisions).

[Zim]

Let's not forget that a HV20 was in the top 8. I like to know what camera was used. But it has nothing to do with how I vote and it shouldn't.

[Cryogenic Filmworks]

Barry is that what you want as the leader? I just to get this nailed down.

The name of the film and production company? Is that good enough?
XXX Productions

The Unknown Story

then the film starts.

The leader will be provided by DVXuser. You will tack it to the front of your movie. It will not count against your movie's runtime.

The old countdown at the beginning of a movie is a leader if that helps.

[Zim]

ok thanks,,,,

[Blaine]

As I have noticed, over the past two DVXfests, that the RED usually gets a little extra push (well....not in the case of PUSH.....but usually).

Or even have camera divisions (yes, like sports). then have the division winners square off. Just a suggestion to help even the playing field (as I cheerfully withdraw my suggestion for PRO and AM divisions).Would you have the same PRO and AM divisions based on Actors, too? Or maybe Set Design? Quality of Writing? Composer vs. canned music? Where do you draw a line?

[chstick]

Would you have the same PRO and AM divisions based on Actors, too? Or maybe Set Design? Quality of Writing? Composer vs. canned music? Where do you draw a line?

Which is exactly why i withdrew that suggestion.

[Zoidoid]

Agreed, Blaine. It seems like quite a few filmmakers here are eager to divide up the competition into groups that have similar resources and levels of experience. I think this is hugely counter-productive. Personally, I don't want to make a film that's just "good, considering what he had available."

"Good, considering..." That phrase kills me. Especially when it's a comment on something I've made. I know that when I stop hearing it, I'll have truly made progress.

What we really want are films that are just plain "good," regardless of who made it or how. And that's achieveable with extremely meager resources. One of the most beautiful things about filmmaking as a medium is that it champions determination and creative thinking above all else.

So I say group yourself in with the veterans and the guys who happen to have access to awesome equipment. Because when people look at your films objectively, it shouldn't matter. And you, as a filmmaker, shouldn't settle for being "good, considering." You want to be able to group yourself in with the big guys and be awesome in spite of the fact that you built your film thin air.

[Rodney V. Smith]

Hear, hear! Full agreement on that excellent point. (saved me some typing and thinking too)

[Tom Marshall]

Perfect example... Jason Ramsey's Dramafest entry. Tiny budget. Awesome short film.

Sure, using a RED might make it LOOK better, but it's not going to give you a better short.

Another example - Matty G's Dramafest entry about the record store. If he would have shot that on the HVX or even a DVX, it would have been just as good.

[Simon Höfer]

This camera talk is Bullsh*t. Seriously! A camera doesn't make a good movie. Just as simple!

I've got an HVX and guess what, I placed 34th. Push was shot on RED, guess what, it didn't make the top 8. Watchmen was shot on the HV20 and made the top 8.

Stop bitchin guys, if your movie is no good, it's just not good! No camera ain't gonna change that.

[Larry Rutledge]

The reason for providing the "technical information" with the shorts in these fests is because this is a forum FOR filmmakers. So aside from watching/voting on great short films, we also get to see how different equipment performs in different hands.

You should be able to objectively review a film regardless of whether or not you know which equipment was used.

[Kholi]

This camera talk is Bullsh*t. Seriously! A camera doesn't make a good movie. Just as simple!

I've got an HVX and guess what, I placed 34th. Push was shot on RED, guess what, it didn't make the top 8. Watchmen was shot on the HV20 and made the top 8.

Stop bitchin guys, if your movie is no good, it's just not good! No camera ain't gonna change that.

I don't think they were bitching, just throwing out ideas.

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if the camera was left off, like you don't mention it. This last fest, we had everything from an HV20 to a DVX to a HPX to a RED make the final 8. I think it pretty much proves it don't matter to the voters. Esp at the resolution we watch at.

[Brandon Rice]

Who Cares.

[chstick]

I was merely suggesting that the cameras could be grouped into divisions. Just a thought.

The best film would still come out in the wash REGARDLESS of what it was shot with.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

i was kidding about the ball. i just wrote a scene involving the ball and come back to find I've been slapped around like a newbie by Barry Green himself. Not even Penguin or Rogan had a caustic remark for me.. you let Barry do your dirty work for you... you bastards!

:grin: Sorry, I must not have caught it in time. And once Barry responds there is nothing more for me to say.

[Simon Höfer]

I don't think they were bitching, just throwing out ideas.

Maybe I was a little bit harsh :D But I just think it is annoying. Every time this topic comes up. Before it was the HVX as a killer camera, now it is the RED. It's always the camera. It just doesn't matter.

Give me a freaking genisis and I prove you, that the camera doesn't make a good film :D

[Kholi]

It's just something that comes up every fest along with the time limit, required item questioning, etc etc.

No big deal.

[Barry_Green]

Barry is that what you want as the leader? I just to get this nailed down.
This will be announced. We will have a downloadable leader that you will attach to the front of your film. The leader will be made available no later than 10/1/08 for download.

[Simon Höfer]

Argh, you really make me feel guilty now... :(

How is your short film coming along Kholi?

[Simon Höfer]

This will be announced. We will have a downloadable leader that you will attach to the front of your film. The leader will be made available no later than 10/1/08 for download.

How long will the leader be? It doesn't cut our runtime, but it definitely has impact on the compression quality. 50MB are always tight.

[Kholi]

Argh, you really make me feel guilty now... :(

How is your short film coming along Kholi?

Expensive, unfortunately. Money that I don't have.

I think that's normal.

xD And, no reason to feel guilty. I understand what you guys are saying. Camera doesn't make the movie but it sure makes the movie look good. It's a technical forum, afterall, so there's no skirting talking about the tech stuff.

[majikfraug]

I plan on shooting mine on a Digital8 Handicam . . . and winning :)

[egyptianboxer104]

i plan on shooting mine on a cellphone camera... and winning.

haha i just had to say that... :P

but yeah, the camera doesn't make the film good... everything else makes a film good... the camera is just one element. You can shoot something on RED ONE and have a terrible story, very poor lighting, horrible audio, and bad actors.

At the same time you can use a DVX100b, have a good story, great actors, excellent lighting, perfect audio, and good actors... as well as decent camera work ;)

All this combined makes an excellent film...

and all these things cost a shitload of money...

[Barry_Green]

When is a ball 'not as it appears?' maybe it's the secret policeman's other ball.
Okay, let's face the "ball" question up front.

A ball is: a ball. Not a dance, not a gala, not a sphere, not a globe, not "having fun". It's something round that bounces. Examples are: a tennis ball, a golf ball, a ping-pong ball, a nerf ball, a basketball, a four-square ball, a soccer ball. A jai-alai ball.

For those who just can't conform, we offer three alternatives:
1) A football, which isn't entirely round
2) a billiard ball, which doesn't bounce.
3) a crystal ball, which doesn't bounce.

What wouldn't count? A hockey puck. A globe (unless it bounces like a ball). A crystal orb reflecting sphere in a garden. A dance (like "The King's Royal Ball".) If it isn't commonly known as a ball in the conventional sense, then it doesn't count.

This shouldn't be rocket science. If you simply absolutely must have a globe, then go ahead and have a globe. Just insert a ball in some shot somewhere, and you'll be in compliance.

[Barry_Green]

How long will the leader be?
A few seconds.

[chstick]

When is a ball 'not as it appears?' maybe it's the secret policeman's other ball.


J-O-K-I-N-G......

c'mon, where are the Monty Python fans?


But I do understand why you would need to clarify, Barry. Don't want the whole "ball" thing to get out of hand so early. I apologize for my 'ball-gag'.

[Tom Shortridge]

What about a stress ball?

[majikfraug]

i plan on shooting mine on a cellphone camera... and winning.

I would love to lose to a cellphone camera :-Laugh(DBG)-1 Please do it! That would be friggin' sweet.

[Larry Rutledge]

What about a stress ball?

If it's round and bounces, then yes. If it's not round and doesn't bounce, then no

[majikfraug]

What if your story takes place in a world composed entirely of rubber, elastic, and latex? Just about anything would bounce in that universe. (I apologize in advance for being obnoxious)

[Jason Adams]

Man...No love for the ball.

Who would have thought that a ball would be met with such resistance and confusion.

[Larry Rutledge]

Look, don't make this difficult. Make your film about whatever you want (within the theme) and in one shot somewhere in that 6 minutes have an object that we (the humans here on this planet Earth, or Terra, which ever name you prefer) can instantly identify as being a ball.

Not a party, not a sphere, not a globe, but a "round or roundish body, of various size and material, either hollow or solid, for use in games, as baseball, football, tennis, or golf, etc."

Don't over complicate things. Your movie doesn't have to be about this object, this is just an element we, the fest staff, are requiring to appear within the films this time around.

[Rodney V. Smith]

i feel sorry for the poor ball now. Especially considering the treatment it is going to receive as a weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION!

.... okay, maybe not MASS destruction... or maybe not even so much a weapon.. but I must confirm that it does bounce nicely off a human skull...

[David Jimerson]

Look, don't make this difficult. Make your film about whatever you want (within the theme) and in one shot somewhere in that 6 minutes have an object that we (the humans here on this planet Earth, or Terra, which ever name you prefer) can instantly identify as being a ball.

Not a party, not a sphere, not a globe, but a "round or roundish body, of various size and material, either hollow or solid, for use in games, as baseball, football, tennis, or golf, etc."

Don't over complicate things. Your movie doesn't have to be about this object, this is just an element we, the fest staff, are requiring to appear within the films this time around.

Agreed. I don't know why people have to go out of their way to test the rules.

[Barry_Green]

I would love to lose to a cellphone camera :-Laugh(DBG)-1 Please do it! That would be friggin' sweet.
One of the entries in TimeFest was largely shot on a cell phone camera or a web camera, don't remember which.

[Barry_Green]

What if your story takes place in a world composed entirely of rubber, elastic, and latex? Just about anything would bounce in that universe. (I apologize in advance for being obnoxious)
That would be totally fine.

As long as there's a shot of a ball somewhere. :thumbsup:

[Larry Rutledge]

Agreed. I don't know why people have to go out of their way to test the rules.

Yea, if they'd spend half as much energy concentrating on their film as they do pushing the limits of the rules they'd probably blow us away with their entry.

[Mark Harris]

I think I will make the ball the TZ element. Just two people walking and every minute or so, this mysterious ball bounces into frame, and then out again...And for the soundtrack, AC/DC's "Big Balls."

Man, you guys have really inspired me with all this talk of balls!

[HorseFilms]

I don't know why people have to go out of their way to test the rules.
I don't know either, but they do it for every damned festival.

[Larry Rutledge]

Mark - That reminds me of the old cartoon (don't remember if it was Bugs Bunny or Heckle and Jeckle, or something else), but every so often a magpie would come skipping across the scene. Whatever was going on in that scene they would stop and watch this magpie hop its way across and then either go inside something (like a box, pot, etc) and when the characters looked in he would be gone, or one time I remember he just rolled up into a spot and "poof" disappeared. :)

And, no, a bouncing magpie doesn't fit the "ball" requirement :kali:

[Mark Harris]

Mark - That reminds me of the old cartoon (don't remember if it was Bugs Bunny or Heckle and Jeckle, or something else), but every so often a magpie would come skipping across the scene. Whatever was going on in that scene they would stop and watch this magpie hop its way across and then either go inside something (like a box, pot, etc) and when the characters looked in he would be gone, or one time I remember he just rolled up into a spot and "poof" disappeared. :)

And, no, a bouncing magpie doesn't fit the "ball" requirement :kali:

It does if he's juggling....

[Larry Rutledge]

Ah snap .. you got me! :) If you can get a juggling magpie in your entry I will give you an automatic 10 :grin:

[ZazaCast]

What's all the fuss about? Who doesn't like a good ball?

[Mark Harris]

Ah snap .. you got me! :) If you can get a juggling magpie in your entry I will give you an automatic 10 :grin:

Done and done.

[Rodney V. Smith]

damn. there is no way i can beat a juggling magpie. i fold.

[majikfraug]

That would be totally fine.

As long as there's a shot of a ball somewhere. :thumbsup:

Barry, your level of patience is astounding. Here's to you :beer:

PS: What if the sun is shining in your short . . . shining like a red rubber ball?
PPS: Please don't take me seriously, I'm severely bored and waiting for three hours of footage to capture.

[Barry_Green]

PS: What if the sun is shining in your short . . . shining like a red rubber ball?
Oh, you could certainly do that...

... but you'll be disqualified if you don't ALSO have a LEGITIMATE shot of a ball somewhere... :evil:

[Rodney V. Smith]

the Green Man has spoken: nyaaeahhhh!

[Mobie540]

How about an x-ray of man who stuffed a ball in his colon? Maybe I'm giving Rogan too many ideas. Is it too soon for me to start giving ppl on here a hard time?

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

This camera talk is Bullsh*t. Seriously! A camera doesn't make a good movie. Just as simple!

I've got an HVX and guess what, I placed 34th. Push was shot on RED, guess what, it didn't make the top 8. Watchmen was shot on the HV20 and made the top 8.

Stop bitchin guys, if your movie is no good, it's just not good! No camera ain't gonna change that.I'm late to this party but I just wanted to comment.

I agree with the camera thing, it shouldn't matter. Story should be key here.
I do think that some movies shot with the RED get a little extra attention, but again, no big deal.

As long as people keep voting for the entire package and not just the pretty picture... things should be fine.




Plus, give extra stars to the little guy who does it entirely by himself. :thumbsup:

Mike

[Barry_Green]

How about an x-ray of man who stuffed a ball in his colon?
Okay, two thoughts on this:

1) That might be acceptable to meet the qualifications.

2) You'll probably find that you're giving Larry R ideas about what to do to the next person who asks a question about the ball requirement... :evil:

[Mobie540]

One of the entries in TimeFest was largely shot on a cell phone camera or a web camera, don't remember which.

Interface was shot mostly on a webcam and POS camcorder.

[Larry Rutledge]

2) You'll probably find that you're giving Larry R ideas about what to do to the next person who asks a question about the ball requirement... :evil:

:grin: :grin: :grin: HA HA HA HA HA HA ... Ah, you know me well Mr. Green



:2vrolijk_08:<---- this wouldn't count

[Neil Rowe]

haha seriously. ..call me cruel, but im probably going to laugh if somebody actually gets themselves disqualified over something as stupid as not managing to to interpret the simple definition of ..and then adequately show a ball in their film somewhere. its just such an easy thing to do, but of course theres always some people that have to try and make things harder for themselves. .. i dont know why, but i find that purely comical.

[Jason Adams]

wow the ball saga continues...

I wonder if there is anytime in human history were grown men have debated the definition of "ball"

I'm with Neil, if anyone gets disqualified over this one it is going to be hilarious.

[pauly_the_hitman]

Whoot! Whoot!

Wait, the rules were announced, this means I have ti start coming up with ideas for people. shi*! So much for a nice long break...

Best of luck everyone!


Break time is over man. See once you come up with some of those great ideas everyone has to get it finished. So good luck to you hope to see a bunch of your scripts made into well done films.
Pauly

[pauly_the_hitman]

Let's not forget that a HV20 was in the top 8. I like to know what camera was used. But it has nothing to do with how I vote and it shouldn't.


Well Survival was shot on DVX100B's and one DVX100A and we made it in to the top 8...
Pauly

[Blaine]

Well Survival was shot on DVX100B's and one DVX100A and we made it in to the top 8...
PaulyWay to represent DVXUser!

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Way to represent DVXUser!

I wish I had a DVX. Although I think I am more at home (and everyone is happier :grin: when I am) behind the pen and paper or in front of the camera. I think if I had a larger crew I wouldn't have a problem, although I don't want any flak from you one-crew people (Mike). Although I am kind of a control freak, but I can usually do it if I am in charge. Don't get me wrong, I like working in teams. And I have to be able to work under people as a writer. Blah blah blah I should be working or trying to figure out what this virus did to my computer. Anyone a virus expert? PM me...

[Cedric Akins]

I think this is the one I will enter. Let's see balls and twilight zone type theme...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNman000)

[Mark Johnson]

But exactly what kind of "ball" will qualify for the required element? Can it be a dance, or a gala or maybe a sphere?

[Barry_Green]

Larry, here's your chance...

[Larry Rutledge]

But exactly what kind of "ball" will qualify for the required element? Can it be a dance, or a gala or maybe a sphere?


Larry, here's your chance...

I always wanted a chance to ban MJ .. now just have to decide how long :evil:

[Tom Marshall]

I always wanted a chance to ban MJ .. now just have to decide how long :evil:

I've got 50 bucks I can send you through paypal. How long would that buy? :evil:

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I've got 50 bucks I can send you through paypal. How long would that buy? :evil:

Not long enough.

Larry, if you have always wanted to ban The Dude, how much do you want to ban ME? :huh:

[joemiked]

if your reading this....your in the ...dvx zone..!.............
m.d.

[Tom Marshall]

^ I'll have whatever he's having ^

[Blaine]

^ I'll have whatever he's having ^Do you want your mind warped like that? Of course, it might take care of the back pain. :beer:

[Tom Marshall]

Do you want your mind warped like that? Of course, it might take care of the back pain. :beer:

I don't think it would be worth it... :-KnockedOut(D

[karapetkov]

These *ball* conversations are killing me. :grin:

[Car3o]

no mention of a bowling ball, it doesn't bounce either. but it is a ball.

[Tom Marshall]

Nowhere did it say that the ball has to bounce...

[Car3o]

It's something round that bounces. Examples are: a tennis ball, a golf ball, a ping-pong ball, a nerf ball, a basketball, a four-square ball, a soccer ball. A jai-alai ball.

[Tom Marshall]

A bowling ball would be fine. It *will* bounce if you drop it. Now far, but it will bounce.

[Car3o]

what about a gum drop ball? it bounces before it breaks.

[Tom Marshall]

Probably not

[Larry Rutledge]

Bowling ball .... Yes

Gum Drop ball .... No

[Car3o]

matzo ball?

[Larry Rutledge]

Matzo ball .... No

I stated it before in an earlier post but its several pages back so probably worth re-iterating. The definition of ball that we will be using as our rule of them when evaluating the entries is:


round or roundish body, of various size and material, either hollow or solid, for use in games, as baseball, football, tennis, or golf, etc.

[Car3o]

hey i'm just looking out for the guys who dont know better. because you might find someone throw in a ball of fire an consider it fair game.

so i'm assuming you have never played who can eat the gum ball the fastest and bobbing for matzo balls....

[Barry_Green]

If folks would put as much energy into making creative films, as they do into trying to find creative ways around our rules, then I bet we'd have a lot of amazing entries! :thumbsup:

No matzo balls, mothballs, charity balls, no fireballs, no establishing shots of the city of Ball, Louisiana... go with the definition Larry said (although I still say a crystal ball would be acceptable, because fortunetelling could be considered a game and besides, a crystal ball might tie in nicely with someone's idea of a twilightfest film).

[Tom Marshall]

Crystal ball should definitely be allowed... what's wrong with you, Larry?? :)

[Larry Rutledge]

hey i'm just looking out for the guys who dont know better. because you might find someone throw in a ball of fire an consider it fair game.

Well, if you read back through this thread those considerations have been discussed. If someone chooses to ignore the various posts we have placed on here then they do so at their peril.

I appreciate that everyone likes to have fun with the "required element" and try to push the envelope with creative expressions of it ... but you would be better advised to spend your creative energies on your story and just take the required element as it is.


Crystal ball should definitely be allowed... what's wrong with you, Larry?? I believe in Barry's original clarification post he made an exception for Crystal Balls ... that is the ONLY exception. All other balls must fit the criteria specified in my definition above.

[karapetkov]

What about... an invisible ball?



* * *

Please, forgive me. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Tom Marshall]

What about... an invisible ball?

As long as it bounces... :thumbsup:

[Larry Rutledge]

If I can't see it, I will disqualify you ... if it is not a crystal ball or does not meet the definition specified in my earlier post, I will disqualify you

(and by "you" I don't mean the filmmaker, I mean you...karapetkov :evil: )

[Mattykins]

I can't wait to see someone get DQ'd for lack of correct ball.

[Car3o]

so baseket ball is definitely allowed right?

[Larry Rutledge]

I am assuming you are kidding with that question

[Car3o]

baseket ball? possible. i mean trey parker and matt stone kind of made it up.

[Larry Rutledge]

Is it really that hard to understand this:

round or roundish body, of various size and material, either hollow or solid, for use in games, as baseball, football, tennis, or golf, etc.

If it's round or roundish (football) and is used in games then it counts. If it is recognizable as a ball used in a game/sport then it counts.

[Car3o]

laugh, it's not...it's just hilarious how this conversation got on the ball...i don't even plan to enter, but i wanted to see how many types of balls i could come up with.

like marbles maybe.

[Larry Rutledge]

I would advise keeping the rest to yourself.

[Car3o]

laugh...why so serious?

[ProjX v2.0]

n/m

I figured it out. :)

[karapetkov]

(and by "you" I don't mean the filmmaker, I mean you...karapetkov :evil: )


I feel the heat alright... :Drogar-Dum(DBG):


* * *

I think that by being so rigid on *da ball thing*, you're creating a lot of potential for cinematic silliness.

Which is good. :beer:

My mind is already starting to fill with *ball* idiocy.

:bath:

P.S. Yeah, I know - rules are rules.

[Larry Rutledge]

We are not rigid, there are a tremendous amount of "balls" which fit the criteria .... but remember, this is just a required element. The film does not have to be about balls, it does not have to be about an event that incorporates balls, they don't need to talk about the balls, etc ... just stick a ball in one shot of your fiom and move on. If in a house 9t would not be unusual to see golf balls, tennis balls, a baseball or a football lying somewhere in tne background. If passing down a neighborhood street or by a park it would not be ubusual to see kids playing baseball, football, or kickball -- they don't need to be part of the story (though they can be if you want) but just "set dressing".

Don't over think it, don't try to make your story about balls (if it is about balls fine, but it doesn't have to be), just find one shot where you can stick a ball within the visible frame and move on.

[Mark Harris]

balls...balls...balls. balls...balls

Heh heh, he said balls, Beavis.

[Blaine]

Woman in a bar asks a guy, "Can I smell you balls?"
Guy says, "No."
Woman says, "Hmmmmm. Must be your feet."

[ZazaCast]

Heh heh, he said balls, Beavis.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/35446/1211511114.gif

[ConspiracyPenguin]

...no establishing shots of the city of Ball, Louisiana...

Whaaa!? No! I already booked my non-refundable plane ticket! :cry:








:)

[Tom Marshall]

Is something like this ok?

http://www.silentstormmedia.com/dvxpics/truckballs.jpg

[Blaine]

Actually, Tommy, the correct term for that is: truck nuts. Nuts not Balls...:beer:

[ZazaCast]

Is something like this ok?

http://www.silentstormmedia.com/dvxpics/truckballs.jpg

...only in Texas!

[Cryogenic Filmworks]

Is something like this ok?

http://www.silentstormmedia.com/dvxpics/truckballs.jpg
...only in Texas!

Yea, they have a bunch of those rednecks around here with that shi*.

[karapetkov]

If I start with a shot of planet Earth in outer space, is that OK?

Is the Earth a *legit* ball?

Gotta be... although it's not a perfect ball geometrically...

Oh, well...

[Tom Marshall]

Yea, they have a bunch of those rednecks around here with that shi*.

A bunch of Floridians have them too.... thank GOD I don't live there anymore... I think I'd had enough of that place when someone tried to put a supercharger on a Chevy Cavalier... I think that's the day I moved... (or at least that SHOULD have been the day I moved)

[Larry Rutledge]

If I start with a shot of planet Earth in outer space, is that OK?

Is the Earth a *legit* ball?

Gotta be... although it's not a perfect ball geometrically...

Not "ball shaped", a ball ... read the definition I gave before, it has to be something that is typically used for a game. A ball not a globe or sphere and actually, the Earth is ellipsoidal, not spherical.

[Tom Marshall]

I think Larry's going to wind up institutionalized soon... :laugh:

[karapetkov]

A-ah, a game ball.

Got it now. :beer:

Hey, it could be a McGuffin.

A ball, which is actually.... something else.

Appearances can be deceiving.

The balls aren't what they are...

A basket ball, which actually holds a mini black-hole generator inside... hidden by... [antagonist] ... found by [protagonist], who is unaware,.. discovers by chance and after a long struggle, prevents the [antagonist] from... [causing the end of the world, for example].

In 6 minutes, .. right.

Hey what happened with the DVXUser feature project? :Drogar-Dum(DBG):

[Tom Marshall]

A-ah, a game ball.

Got it now. :beer:

Hey, it could be a McGuffin.

A ball, which is actually....

An alien spacecraft if those 2 had their way...

[Larry Rutledge]

A ball, which is actually.... something else.

Appearances can be deceiving.

The balls aren't what they are...

A basket ball, which actually holds a mini black-hole generator inside...

This would be fine as long as at some point we see a shot of an actual basketball (or some other game type ball). The movie need not be ABOUT the ball, but the movie MUST CONTAIN a shot of a game-type ball.

[karapetkov]

Of course, the ball will be all over the place.

[Cryogenic Filmworks]

Someone is going to do one which the subject is the discussion of what type of balls to have in the movie. After all, most of the script is in this thread.

[FDL film music composer]

Hi,
How many films can score a composer?

[ConspiracyPenguin]

If yu are asking how many films you can score, there is no limit. Just like there is no limit to the amount of scripts I can write. Ahhhhhhh!

:grin:

[Larry Rutledge]

Correct, while the rules only allow for two entries per filmmaker, there is no limit to the number of films you can help out with. So if you work on more than two films, just make sure you only submit two of them and have someone else submit the others.

[Mobie540]

Are we allowed to put up teaser trailers?

[Barry_Green]

No footage from the films.

[Mark Harris]

What about mashed potatoes in the shape of a ball?

[ConspiracyPenguin]

No footage from the films.

Did the rule change or is footage that will not be used in the film still acceptable? I don't know why I am asking. :grin:


What about mashed potatoes in the shape of a ball?

Will they bounce? :)

[Blaine]

What about mashed potatoes in the shape of a ball?


Will they bounce? :)

If they were made by my ex-wife, they would...:cheesy: (cue the rimshot)

[Car3o]

A bunch of Floridians have them too.... thank GOD I don't live there anymore... I think I'd had enough of that place when someone tried to put a supercharger on a Chevy Cavalier... I think that's the day I moved... (or at least that SHOULD have been the day I moved)

Not anymore. It's illegal!

[Mark Harris]

I have this great idea for TwilightFest!

http://www.potatomuseum.com/images/xfilmcloseencountersmashedpotatoes.jpg

[Car3o]

Any mention of the wii balls are allowed?

[HVXOU]

I was just wondering how exactly to enter the competition in the first place. What do I need to do to get my team in the running. Thanks.

[Postmaster]

Any mention of the wii balls are allowed?

http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/fdh.jpg


Frank

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I was just wondering how exactly to enter the competition in the first place. What do I need to do to get my team in the running. Thanks.

Alright, here comes The Penguin's first serious post of the day (which is also my first post of the day in general, if you were wondering.)

In order to qualify for the contest you must make a film that fits all of the requirements at the top of this thread. Then, shortly before the deadline, an announcement will be made about how to upload. Follow those instructions to upload your film for approval. If approved, it will be put into the running for prizes (if any) and people will be able to watch and leave comments about your film in your film thread (if you create one in the Twilight Theatre section). Even if your film is not approved, it will still be viewable which means you will still receive all the great feedback this community is known for, you just won't be able to win any prizes.

If you have any other questions, ask away.

[HVXOU]

Thanks so much!

[Mattykins]

In the event we shoot BTS footage, can we include that in the thread?

Since it won't be footage from our primary cameras, would that count as footage from the film?

[ConspiracyPenguin]

In the event we shoot BTS footage, can we include that in the thread?

Since it won't be footage from our primary cameras, would that count as footage from the film?

BTS is fine as long as it does not show any scene that will be in the film, I think. But a mod may want to clear this up.

[Mattykins]

Therein lies the problem. I mean, I don't think (if we shot it) I would include the scene or playback. But leading up to and maybe even footage during the scene. Though it won't be a feed from A or B cam. A feed behind our lead camera.

[Quintessential Studios]

Please state in the rules what defines a ball, I cannot/do not want to read through these 19+ pages to see if a "some balls are held for charity....", like a royal ball, ball is acceptable or not.

Are we talking rubber bouncy ball here? Bowling ball okay? Ping pong? Crystal ball?

Thank you very much.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Please state in the rules what defines a ball, I cannot/do not want to read through these 19+ pages to see if a "some balls are held for charity....", like a royal ball, ball is acceptable or not.

Are we talking rubber bouncy ball here? Bowling ball okay? Ping pong? Crystal ball?

Thank you very much.

Jesus Christ! Let's not revisit that situation, please. Here is the post you would have found if you weren't so lazy. :grin: For the reccord, I am joking. You look new and I don't want you to think I'm an ass hole. Welcome and good luck! :)


Okay, let's face the "ball" question up front.

A ball is: a ball. Not a dance, not a gala, not a sphere, not a globe, not "having fun". It's something round that bounces. Examples are: a tennis ball, a golf ball, a ping-pong ball, a nerf ball, a basketball, a four-square ball, a soccer ball. A jai-alai ball.

For those who just can't conform, we offer three alternatives:
1) A football, which isn't entirely round
2) a billiard ball, which doesn't bounce.
3) a crystal ball, which doesn't bounce.

What wouldn't count? A hockey puck. A globe (unless it bounces like a ball). A crystal orb reflecting sphere in a garden. A dance (like "The King's Royal Ball".) If it isn't commonly known as a ball in the conventional sense, then it doesn't count.

This shouldn't be rocket science. If you simply absolutely must have a globe, then go ahead and have a globe. Just insert a ball in some shot somewhere, and you'll be in compliance.

[Quintessential Studios]

Jesus Christ...if you weren't so lazy. :grin: For the reccord, I am joking. You look new and I don't want you to think I'm an ass hole. Welcome and good luck! :)


Damn!

I did go through 14+ pages before I finally wrote my response. (I just want you to know that I'm only partly lazy!)

Thanks for posting that for me though!

Don't worry, I don't "think" you're an asshole.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Don't worry, I don't "think" you're an asshole.

You mean you "know" I am one :grin: I am not, actually. I just like being sarcastic and sometimes people don't realize that and get angry, so I wanted to clarify! :)

[Dustin R. Rogan]

Penguin is a compulsive liar too

Rogan










jk Penguin








maybe

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Penguin is a compulsive liar too

Rogan


What the hell? I didn't lie about anything! Go ahead! Prove that I'm a liar! Because I'm not! :D

[Jeff Anderson]

But you are a liar. See you're lying again. Wow. You may look like a penguin but you lie like a dog...

[Tom Marshall]

Not anymore. It's illegal!

Chevy Cavaliers are illegal?? :D

[HVXOU]

Another Serious question. Is there documentation we need to submit with the final film. Releases etc?

[Larry Rutledge]

You don't have to submit said documentation, but you should have it available upon request.

[HVXOU]

Is there a place I can find some generic ones for the time being. I can't see myself consulting a lawyer for forms for a contest production.

[Larry Rutledge]

You only need releases if you use copyrighted content (music, etc) in which case you'd have to secure a release before you could use it.

If you are talking about location/actor releases, then do a google search there are plenty to be had for free. I'll try to remember to check my computer when I get home from work tonight, I have several production forms that I can make available as well if anyone ever needs them.

[Mattykins]

Did we get an answer on this?


In the event we shoot BTS footage, can we include that in the thread?

Since it won't be footage from our primary cameras, would that count as footage from the film?

[Psynema]

Is it too late to enter?

[Simon Höfer]

Is it too late to enter?
It is never too late... well, until the deadline :D You are good to go if you submit your finished film until October 27.

[Larry Rutledge]

Did we get an answer on this?
In the event we shoot BTS footage, can we include that in the thread?

Since it won't be footage from our primary cameras, would that count as footage from the film?

If the footage will appear anywhere in your submitted entry, than the answer is no you cannot post it before the voting closes.

If it is BTS of you shooting a scene that will appear in the final entry that is ok. But if you post your entire film, shot from the "BTS" camera, you will be disqualified. The purpose is to allow for showing the true behind the scenes, while still trying to keep your entry under wraps until viewing has opened.

Hope that makes sense :)

[Mattykins]

Thanks Larry,

Makes total sense.

[Barry_Green]

It has come to my attention that there are people who believe that a mistake on the part of the screening committee somehow constitutes setting a "precedent" that allows folks to ignore or break rules because someone somewhere else got away with doing so.

This is not so. The rules are the rules. If mistakes were made in the past, that doesn't give anyone blanket license to ignore or modify the interpretation of a rule in the present or the future.

I would advise folks to please read the rules that we've established. We've tried to put them in the plainest possible language. We cannot reasonably be expected to anticipate every possible alternate interpretation that people will ask about, all we can do is plainly and clearly state what the rules are, to the best of our ability.

In the past, mistakes have been made. That doesn't invalidate our rules now or in the future, it just means a mistake was made. The rule remains in force and in effect, and we will just be more diligent in catching mistakes in the future.

We do not seek to disqualify entries. We don't want to disqualify ANYONE. We ask very little. All we've asked for this time is a ball. Larry has gone to extensive efforts to clarify what a ball is (and I don't really know why such effort was necessary -- I mean, who doesn't know what a ball is?) It's not really a rule that needs a lot of interpretation, folks -- just stick a ball in a shot somewhere. Not a PICTURE of a ball, not a GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION of a ball, not a shoe logo that has a ball in it, not a lump of dough that's shaped like a ball -- none of those things are balls, are they?

In any dispute or confusion over interpretation of the rules, I would advise all filmmakers to take the most obvious, literal interpretation of the rule as being the true intent of the rule. And, as always, if you're not sure whether something will comply, ask one of the moderators ahead of time. Thanks for your cooperation, and for your efforts in making this as easy and effortless on us and on you as you possibly can.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

We do not seek to disqualify entries. We don't want to disqualify ANYONE. We ask very little. All we've asked for this time is a ball. Larry has gone to extensive efforts to clarify what a ball is (and I don't really know why such effort was necessary -- I mean, who doesn't know what a ball is?) It's not really a rule that needs a lot of interpretation, folks -- just stick a ball in a shot somewhere. Not a PICTURE of a ball, not a GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION of a ball, not a shoe logo that has a ball in it, not a lump of dough that's shaped like a ball -- none of those things are balls, are they?
I'm responsible for this. I assumed since Brandon placed in the Top 3 with a picture of a wine glass (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1087282&postcount=279) that it would be acceptable to have a picture of a ball. It seems that was a mistake.

Thanks for clearing this up publicly. I know of at least one other member who was going to use a graphic of a ball as well. I would hate to see someone get disqualified and I pushed for a public announcement.

Thanks, Barry.

Mike

[Jason Miller]

there seems to be new rules, or provisos to old rules thoughout these 21 pages or posts, any chance all the rules can be firmed up on the front page?

[Simon Höfer]

I would just change it from "ball" to "sportsball" in the first post.

[Jason Miller]

is that the only change?

also please dont change it to sports balls, how about game balls, bingo isn't really a sport,

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

I would just change it from "ball" to "sportsball" in the first post.+ Crystal ball. :beer:

[Simon Höfer]

+ Crystal ball. :beer:
Yeah, but I am still wondering how that one could get trough... :huh:

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Yeah, but I am still wondering how that one could get trough... :huh:

Because the Mods said it could. :thumbsup:

[Barry_Green]

Sportsball is actually a pretty good general summation. The ball itself doesn't have to be shown being used in a sport (hence the bingo-ball machine would count).

The crystal ball got an exception because it seemed especially appropriate for a twilight-themed fest. Billiard balls don't really bounce either, nor do bowling balls, but both of those count.

I doubt there's ever been a "required element" in one of our films that's been easier to meet than this one. This element is only as difficult as you want to make it. The definition is obvious, it's easy to meet, and we've even specified a couple of exceptions that will expand it further. But seriously, really, how hard is it to put a ball in a shot, and point out to us (via timecode) where it is? The amount of energy and discussion that's been spent on this is so disproportionate as compared to how simple it is to just comply in the most obvious, simple way...

[Simon Höfer]

So could you please change it in the rules on the first page to something like "sportsball (+crystal ball)" barry? That way it may stop people from getting creative and starting discussions. So they just just put a damn ball into one scene, like I did.

[Barry_Green]

Clarification links posted.

[Simon Höfer]

Great! Thanks alot :)

[Jason Miller]

Barry thanks for allowing the bingo balls, I could just see my film if you had said no,

Two shot of raped Pregnant girl, crying in the arms of an angel posing as a Priest, cut to long shot with a basketball, sitting under the feet of The Blessed Virgin Mary, back to two shot, with Girl screaming, “how can rape be a part of his all important plan?” cut to dolly shot of prayer candles, with some kid’s forgotten baseball sitting along side them. cut to alter of The Virgin Mary, with a single tear rolling down her marble face.

I think she's crying for the kids who lost their balls. lol

[Methane]

I was reading the rules and it seems like this contest is really wanted something very supernatural. Could our script be considered twilight enough if we just have one invention in it that is something fake. Like for example the memory flasher thing from Men in Black?

I got my premise from reading the news and watching old episodes of The Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, and Outer Limits. In a lot of the episodes there is nothing supernatural about them. Like one TftC episode is just about a guy who was the state executioner and after the death penalty is outlawed he becomes a vigilante carrying out executions as he sees fit.

[HVXOU]

Just wondering if there has been any word on when to expect uploading to open? Seeing as there are 22 pages of posts, I wasn't sure if I missed something.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

Uploading will (most likely) open shortly (perhaps a week) before the deadline (October 27th) Until then, if your film is done, just store it in some file and hope something bad doesn't happen.

[HVXOU]

Ok, so it won't usually be open for weeks, that's good to know. Thanks.

[ramsaur]

I wasn't going to enter, but someone gave me a script and now I'm reconsidering entering the Twilight Fest :)

[HVXOU]

So Amped! Production done - entering Post Production!

[armisiano]

I have a stupid question. If I plan to submit a film for the fest, do I need to have a thread for it started as well?

[Simon Höfer]

No, but it is highly recommended. You should give us a reason why to watch your film. Some people watch all films, like me. But others only watch the ones that could be interesting, seeing the information in their threads.

[Zim]

In the last fest if I remember the credits could only be 15 seconds. Is there a time limit on this one?

[ZazaCast]

Questions:
1.) Will the "DVXuser Leader" really be posted tomorrow? (October 1st)
2.) Once we add the leader, are we still limited to 50mb file size? I ask, because I just got one of my entries looking nice and it's coming in just a tad under the 50mb target...i'd like to keep it there.

[HVXOU]

Is there a minimum time requirement?

[Barry_Green]

No minimum running time.

[Larry Rutledge]

1) Due to a number of reasons, the leader will not be available tomorrow (Oct. 1) as originally planned. It will still be available a couple weeks before the deadline so you will have plenty of time to work it in.

2) You will still be limited to 50MB including the leader, but will be kept short so there should be minimal impact.

[ZazaCast]

Thanks Larry! Format? ...AVI?

[Larry Rutledge]

Good question, not sure yet. Will let you know as soon as I know.

[pauly_the_hitman]

Any news on the leader?

[Larry Rutledge]

Leader will be posted this evening. There will be two versions, here are the specs of each:

1) Quicktime HQ ProRes 422 100mb 23.98 1920x1080
2) AVI 100MB 23.98 1280x1080

You can choose whichever you want and drop it into your NLE where you'll resize to whatever dimensions utilized for your timeline.

[Zak Forsman]

I have a stupid question. If I plan to submit a film for the fest, do I need to have a thread for it started as well?

i would encourage anyone with a film to also start a thread for no other reason than to gain experience interacting with your audience.

[HVXOU]

Thoughts on when upload will open so I can tell my Post Crew?

[Richard J. Johnson]

wondering the same.

[Zim]

Probably not till around October the 28th.

[Dick Campbell]

I'm ready to post:)

[HVXOU]

All films must be made between July 15, 2008 and October 27, 2008 and must not have been publicly screened prior to the start of viewing. The entry deadline is 11:00 am Pacific Time on October 27, 2008. The upload system is not yet open; we will announce when uploading is open.





Probably not till around October the 28th.

Rules say that the deadline is the 27th. Is it being pushed back?

[Richard J. Johnson]

Rules say that the deadline is the 27th. Is it being pushed back?

I doubt it. Unless there is some kind of technical issue. I am ready for some constructive criticism. I need to know what I can improve on.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

Rules say that the deadline is the 27th. Is it being pushed back?
Nope. Just tell all involved that they have until the 27th to finish it. The 26th if you want to be safe.

I bet the movies will go online October 31st for viewing. :evil:

Cheers,

Mike

[Larry Rutledge]

Uploading will begin Wednesday, October 22 and will close at 11:00 am Pacific Time on Monday, October 27.

[Pigspace]

My film will ROCK!!!

[armisiano]

This is my first time really taking part in a dvxuser fest (though I did watch all the timefest finalists), do we vote on ALL the films? Or just the finalists? How does that work? Just curious.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

This is my first time really taking part in a dvxuser fest (though I did watch all the timefest finalists), do we vote on ALL the films? Or just the finalists? How does that work? Just curious.
All I believe. At least that's how they did it last Fest. Then they had everyone vote a second time for the top 8 decided from the results of the first vote.

Not sure if there will be 2 rounds of voting this time.

I hope not. I don't think it's needed.

Cheers,

Mike

[ConspiracyPenguin]

You vote for as many films as you can (in the new star rating system). So, while it is encouraged that you rate EVERY FILM, if you can't, the new system will accept the ratings you CAN give.

I don't know about the second round. I can see how it would be unnecessary (why would you need to change your vote?) but, then again, maybe some people ONLY want to vote on the finalists - that would give them the opportunity to (and increase the number of votes/better the level of accuracy - hopefully).

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

You vote for as many films as you can (in the new star rating system). So, while it is encouraged that you rate EVERY FILM, if you can't, the new system will accept the ratings you CAN give.

I watch all of them and give them a rating. Just doesn't seem fair otherwise. :beer:

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I watch all of them and give them a rating. Just doesn't seem fair otherwise. :beer:

I agree and I do the same. I just thought I would comment on the matter.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

I agree and I do the same. Very cool. :thumbup:

[Dick Campbell]

I think the two rounds of voting is important, because you may not not have voted a finalist very highly on your first round, and now you would have an opportunity to reevaluate compared to a smaller pool. Your opinion may not change, but if you were judging a film as a semi-finalist, you might give a more critical look.

As a competitor, I feel obligated to view, comment and vote on each of the entries. We've all put a lot of time and effort into this venture and we at least deserve the consideration of a constructive review from our peers.

[Simon Höfer]

Actually you were/are not able to change your vote in the second round (only if you have a really good reason and explain it to the mods). You should give the rating based on the quality of the film, not based on the competition.

The second round is for the people that didn't vote at all before.

[Barry_Green]

You should give the rating based on the quality of the film, not based on the competition.
AMEN! Thank you for saying it so perfectly and so succinctly!

[Larry Rutledge]

Yes, just to follow up and add a little clarification.

The system is designed as a rating, not a ranking, system. There is an important distinction. The stars allow you to identify the level of quality you feel that film exhibits, all on its own. The intent is not for you to compare the rating you give it to the rating you give to other films.

You should not look down the list of films comparing the stars from one to the next saying, "Well, if I give this film x number of stars, then I have to give this one more (or less)".

Simply watch a film, then decide how much you like that film on a scale from 1 to 10 where 1 means this is the worst film you've ever seen, nothing could ever do worse, and 10 means this is the best film I ever saw, nothing could ever do better. That's it, no comparison to other films.

The beauty of this system, besides its simplicity, is that it allows for a valid vote result regardless of whether everyone votes for every film or not. Of course we want you to vote for them all, but if you can only get to half of them don't choose to not vote because you feel it might be unfair to the others.

Because each film is rated on it's own the result is a measure of the true rating of that film based on the average result it receives.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

Actually you were/are not able to change your vote in the second round (only if you have a really good reason and explain it to the mods). You should give the rating based on the quality of the film, not based on the competition.

Fantastic! Well said. :beer: