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Blood Angel
07-06-2008, 09:03 AM
Okay,
during the last week I've been camera assistant for a production by the "Filmakademie Ludwigsburg", one of the top notch film schools in Germany. I was braught in because of my experience in the field of data asset management and with the HVX 200 and was terribly happy about this production, becaus the movie we've shot is a dead cool Half Life 2 like short movie with a pretty good budget for a short movie.

BUT there was a change in mind by the producer, he had heard about the Sony EX-1 and changed the rental 6 hours before principal shooting. Allright, the DOP and I took a little time to check the camera and I did some research. (dang, it is helpful to be able to check DVXuser with my iPhone on set) Soon we were aware about some of the problems and went to the rental house to get the cameras. (We were shooting with two cameras.)

At the rental house we were talking about the EX-1 compared to the HVX-200 and I mentioned some of the problems I read about in the internet and all of my arguments were smashed down, because "all of the internet junkies are talking about the beta version of the camera, there is no more rolling shutter in the EX-1!". That was what the rental guy told me and I bought it. Hey, he uses the cameras every day, he must know what he is talking about. Little did I know...

Basicly - we had them everything. Every bug, every glitch of the camera, we had it all in our footage. I'll just name few:

Rolling shutter and strobe lights
We were shooting with strobe lights - you might imagine the results. We had terrible part frame exposure from 2 flickering kinoflows... but hey, the producer described the look as "something new"... so it was no longer a bug, it's a feature!

Shooting with HMI's
While lighting with HMI's to create a good lighting the DOP wanted to have a high shutter speed to create a certain look. But hey, look a the image distorsion... we had to shoot at 1/100 or 1/50 in order NOT to have these horizontal lines.

Infrared and Black
At the highpoint of the movie we were shooting in a generator room and there was a red wall inside. Guess what happened: All our blacks turned mangenta in basicly every shot! But due to the producer that was not a problem, we'll fix that in post. Man, does he know that we're recording to a 35 Mbit/s 4:2:0 Long-GOP codec? I think not...

Distorted geometry in fast movement
...

Ugly motion blur
etc...
pp...

I could continue for hours, but I think you get the point. But there are always two sides of the coin. Under certain circumstances the 1/2" cmos imager delivers great images thet the HVX200 can't compete with. But that is not to the fact, that the camera is better, IMHO that is to the fact that the chip is just 2/6" bigger and the camera 1000 bucks more expencive.

I was often tempted to drop my plans to by the HPX170 and just buy the EX1, but the camera and the technolegy has just so many flaws that are limiting our work. The HVX200 isn't perfect too, it also has some flaws I could scream about, but for my needs it is the far better camera.

Stevet
07-06-2008, 09:33 AM
Lesson learned.
If you don't like the EX1, don't buy it.

I believe it's overall footage quality far exceeds scenario related issues.

Bokes
07-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Nothing new: Different cameras for different situations.
I have been using the EX1 now for a few months- events and news gathering.
I find it's perfect in these environments. A flash here and there- no big deal.
That said- I would not use this camera to film a short creative, scripted film.

I am using the EX1 on two docs I'm shooting- it's low light ability and sharp image is perfect for docs- but if you have a narrative- I would stick with a DVX, HVX200a or the HPX in sept.

Or as it's been said many times- if the script is really worth shooting- get investors and shoot film. It takes more than just a decent camera to make a movie. All these small cameras have their quirks. Rolling shutter should be the least of your concern.
Your director is smart by using what many consider a glitch- to his advantage. This is the type of open minded, creative thinking you need to employ if you want to use these cameras for narrative.

Kholi
07-06-2008, 02:17 PM
Man that really sucks. The Producer sounds like he was just covering his ass on a bad mistake. Why one would switch cameras six hours prior to production is beyond me. But, that's what happens.

Sorry to hear about that experience, Blood. Hopefully you have a better one next time if there is even a next time. Hopefully you were educated a bit more on the camera for when the time arises when someone else wants to use it and you can tell them from experience what they have to look out for. If your post gets slammed just kinda look past it, it's natural.

Hope the project comes out good, though! I want to see some live-action Half Life.

FrankC
07-07-2008, 12:50 AM
I'm shooting a full length feature with the EX1 right now and getting absolutely gorgeous shots. But then we're using rather conventional light techniques (without strobes!) and it's looking great. The camera does take some getting used to which may lead to quite a bit of "operator error" if you just pick one up at a rental house that morning and start shooting that afternoon with absolutely no experience with it. For the first two weeks on this shoot, I was constantly referring to the manual to navigate the menu trees. Watched the great Vortex Media DVDs "Mastering the Sony PMW-EX1" for some really valuable tips. You're not doing yourself any favors if you think you can take this camera right out of the box and be an expert DOP by noon.

DavidChia
07-07-2008, 04:03 AM
Well it is a $6000 dollar camera not a $6 toy. like Frank C said , you can't expect to be an experience DP by noon...

And in the first place , like you said you were brought in because of your experience on the HVX not the EX1...

PM me and we can sort something out as we both are in Munich ... I have the Vortex DVD and you can watch it and we can share some experiences as I have only little experiences on the HVX.

anthony jackson
07-07-2008, 01:09 PM
well when it comes time for me to buy a new camera I think am still going to go with the EX1.am going to give myself about two months to learn everything about the camera be for I start working on a feature film,and be for that time come i'll also find out everything about the HVX200 to see what camera fits my needs.

mico
07-07-2008, 02:23 PM
Nothing new: Different cameras for different situations.
I have been using the EX1 now for a few months- events and news gathering.
I find it's perfect in these environments. A flash here and there- no big deal.
That said- I would not use this camera to film a short creative, scripted film.

I am using the EX1 on two docs I'm shooting- it's low light ability and sharp image is perfect for docs- but if you have a narrative- I would stick with a DVX, HVX200a or the HPX in sept.



That makes absolutely no sense. A scripted film you can control the elements that might give you problems. You can't control a documentary. You've got it backwards mate.

lawriejaffa
07-07-2008, 02:57 PM
Yikes really sorry to hear it mate - will u be able to post the movie up here anyway?

spa_edwards
07-08-2008, 09:09 AM
Yeah, lets see some results of your experience

futureman
09-12-2008, 11:42 PM
Yeah, i totally want to see the Half-Life flick!