How do we get people to watch our short?

[pauly_the_hitman]

Hey guys this is our first stab at the dvxuser fest of any kind and we really worked our tails off and have very few views and comments. Any of you old timers got any suggestions for us? Or is it just because we are in the S's?

[Zak Forsman]

I'm going through them alphabetically, and i'm sure many others are too. will likely take a few days.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

I've posted in yours and most others. I plan on commenting in every thread by the end of the week, maybe sooner. It does take some time though.

A lot of people don't have that kind of time so they tend to check out their friends first. Can't really blame them for that. Some films (like O2) have a huge fan base, but they've worked hard to get to that point.

One thing though, unless you've posted in every other thread... the same can be said about you. Now, if we all took the time to comment in every thread... I think everyone would be happy. The problem is... not everyone has the time to pull that off. I was up until 2:30am trying to catch up last night. I don't expect everyone to be doing that.

In the end, you make the film for yourself. Take any comments you receive and try to learn from them the best that you can.

Cheers,

Mike

[gabrielflorit]

I'll be perfectly honest here, and will probably get a lot of criticism for this... but I tend not to comment on films that had nothing going for them. In other words, if there's something in a film that I enjoyed, I'm definitely going to comment and let those guys know I enjoyed their work. But man, there's... a lot of entries I could barely sit through, so I feel no desire to post on how awful the film was. I KNOW this will happen to me when I submit my first entry, I KNOW my first short will be worthless. I also believe that all of us here KNOW what makes a good film.

In conclusion - if your film is good and people aren't commenting on it, that's a problem. If your film isn't good... well do a better job and next time people will comment. Note that I haven't seen any of your guys entries yet - I'm using the general "you".

[Mark T. Aro]

My two cents... I just finished watching all of them. yes there were several that were not great. I made 3 categories (folders) and sorted them into those folders. After a few views I made a fourth category. I will vote on everyone. I will only comment on the ones where I think I have something to add or suggest or where I was totally blown away or even where I found something that stood out in a positive way. I do have to say, it was tough getting through all of them just due to the time involved, but I know that I want a fair shake at it for the entry that I was involved in, so I am doing my best to do the same for others. Long story short... it doesn't matter to me who you are and what your film was. As an example, I never visited the North thread and I was truly surprised by it. About halfway through it was starting to drag and I was tempted to shut it off, but I am glad I didn't... it was definitely a diamond in the rough for me. There are many others that were a surprise in one way or another.

[pauly_the_hitman]

Thanks Guys,
I have been doing the same thing and i am trying to post on all of the entries myself. And having spent two late nights watching them and making notes I see your points. It was just that we have never entered into this type of contest and wasn't sure what to expect. But being that we are in the S category I would say people are starting to get down to them and comment. No worries I am sure it was just a matter of time thanks for the replies.
-Pauly

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I, too, am going through alphabetically (that's how the zips come) although the first night when I couldn't get the zips to work I downloaded a few individual one's that I had been wanting to see for some time now. I was gone all day yesterday and was unable to watch any but I should be done with them all in a week. I watch one and then comment on it, so don't worry I will get to it eventually.

[Existentialist]

Hey guys this is our first stab at the dvxuser fest of any kind and we really worked our tails off and have very few views and comments. Any of you old timers got any suggestions for us? Or is it just because we are in the S's?

I've seen yours twice already, really dig it. But I really think it's about you being in the threads long enough where people know you and can't wait for your film to come out kind of thing. The first timers are at the back of the line, UNTIL you begin making more and more and then people will know you. For example, next film fest I'll see your name and know you guys did Survival and will want to watch it in front of others unknown. I guess that 's what it is, but then I could just be high on something.

[pauly_the_hitman]

I've seen yours twice already, really dig it. But I really think it's about you being in the threads long enough where people know you and can't wait for your film to come out kind of thing. The first timers are at the back of the line, UNTIL you begin making more and more and then people will know you. For example, next film fest I'll see your name and know you guys did Survival and will want to watch it in front of others unknown. I guess that 's what it is, but then I could just be high on something.


Thanks Tony. I appreciate it and I am starting to get the whole community feel to this I am just so glad we were able to get involved with so many amazing film makers. I have learned so much watching all of the films and trying to find the best qualities in all of them. It is time consuming and exciting all at once. I even have the family watching some of the entries. What a great place for us to express ourselves.
-Pauly

[Noel Evans]

I'm going through them alphabetically, and i'm sure many others are too. will likely take a few days.

Ill get there around Wednesday.

[ZazaCast]

I'm new to this site and to filmmaking...and as such I intend on watching and commenting on every film entered. This is a HUGH learning experience for anyone just getting started (that's NOT you...LOVED your film!). I truly appreciate (and welcome) any and all comments and hope one day to create films worthy of this fine group!

...and let me take this opportunity to congratulate everyone who put forth the time and creative energy to enter this contest, no matter what the level.

[Horncastle]

Survival was great. It'll be a day or two before I get there.

[pauly_the_hitman]

This site ceases to amaze me there are more talented people here then anywhere I have ever found on the Internet but yet everyone is so positive, and helpful. DVXuser.com freaking rocks. I love you guys.
-Pauly

[GageFX]

Hey pauly, I have not read through this entire thread, but here is my take. Alot of members here take a similar approach to the DVXfests as they would to a theatrical release. I have read it from more than a couple people that hype and advertising is a fair and advantageous approach to scoring well. I dont disagree, but I do personally wish it was more about the films and not about the hype. If you want to have a film that everyone watches first, take a lesson from Mark Johnson. The "O2" thread is 1800 posts long. 1700 of that before the films even went up for viewing. That is mastery of advertising and hype. As I sit through these films, and like someone else said "there's... a lot of entries I could barely sit through,", I just keep in mind that when I do, someday, enter, to make sure I title mine with a NUMBER or an "A" word. I'm sure here will be plenty of voters that dont make it half way through.


At this point? There's nothing you can do. Start that hype machine the week the next fest is announced. That's your best bet.

[Drew Ott]

I'm going alphabetically and I am not there yet.

[Existentialist]

Hey pauly, I have not read through this entire thread, but here is my take. Alot of members here take a similar approach to the DVXfests as they would to a theatrical release. I have read it from more than a couple people that hype and advertising is a fair and advantageous approach to scoring well. I dont disagree, but I do personally wish it was more about the films and not about the hype. If you want to have a film that everyone watches first, take a lesson from Mark Johnson. The "O2" thread is 1800 posts long. 1700 of that before the films even went up for viewing. That is mastery of advertising and hype. As I sit through these films, and like someone else said "there's... a lot of entries I could barely sit through,", I just keep in mind that when I do, someday, enter, to make sure I title mine with a NUMBER or an "A" word. I'm sure here will be plenty of voters that dont make it half way through.


At this point? There's nothing you can do. Start that hype machine the week the next fest is announced. That's your best bet.

Yup, marketing is everything, even here.

Have you ever seen those commercials that don't really tell you what the product is, yet keeps you guessing over and over again? There's a powerful tactic if you have time on your hands. Loads of grabs that don't reveal the crux of the story. And like Gage said, 1700 of them. I'm not implying that O2 was pure hype, because it's a tremendous, fantastic film. What I am saying is that it helps to add a good film to the hype :laugh: Once those two are together, you got a winner.

Also, if you have more money and influence, contact Wheaties or Burger King, see if you can get your characters in a Happy Meal bag. I GARANTEE YOU thousands of viewers. :2vrolijk_08:

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[ugafan]

i usually look at the films of people i recognize first and then go down the list alphabetically.

[gabrielflorit]

At this point? There's nothing you can do. Start that hype machine the week the next fest is announced. That's your best bet.

Hmmm... While I'm sure that hype will get you viewership, I can think of many examples where the entry thread didn't show up until one or two days before the fest closed. For example, wasn't JDS and MacGregor's 18 seconds like that?

Also... how about Winter Lilacs? I can't even remember the team's name, yet they placed in LoveFest.

One thing that gets me excited is seeing stills from the entry and/or a well-designed poster. If you have killer stills there's a good chance people will want to see your entry. And check out Drew Ott's "Late" poster. Although somewhat misleading, since that shot didn't make it in the film, it's still a great poster.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

Also... how about Winter Lilacs? I can't even remember the team's name, yet they placed in LoveFest.
They didn't win anything. Definitely not in the top 3.
I remember because I was a little disappointed with that. Tough competition though.

Mike

[Zak Forsman]

They didn't win anything. Definitely not in the top 3.
I remember because I was a little disappointed with that. Tough competition though.

Mike

they got a best newcomer award or something and placed 4th in the voting. from what i've been told, IFHY was something like two or three points behind in 5th place. i don't know how the rest did rest. but the top five WERE all very tight, all within 3 or 4 votes of each other.

[Mark Johnson]

I just found this thread and I think it is a fascinating one. First of all, I want to mention that the really good films always develop their own buzz as the viewing progresses. I happened to see a post by GageFX giving some serious accolades to your film as he commented on "The Moment After." GageFX is somebody I respect a great deal so that when he says "Survival" scored in his top 3 I immediately jumped ahead to download it. I'm sure other people stood up and noticed when they read that post AND as you started getting stellar reviews (from myself included).

So, over the next week or so, the films that are knocking people over will get known by word of mouth. it's turned out to be a happy circumstance that you are located just up the hill in the high desert where we shoot a lot. Unless you turn out to be slack-jawed mutants I suspect we will be having a lot of opportunities to work together.

On the hype thing, I freely and happily admit that I've become something of a P.T. Barnum here with respect to getting people into our tent. This started way back in the day when Ted Arabian and I started the Threading The Needle thread (which I believe still holds the record for most views/posts of any DVXUSER fest thread). To the chagrin of the mods, we have been a bit rambunctious and have sprinkled our threads with boobs, beer and bizarre t-shirt alterations. Its all been in good fun and it seems that people here accept us sort of as the crazy uncles that have questionable taste but a lot of funny fart jokes.

Having admitted the foregoing, I think most people will have noticed that we've tried to grow up a bit in keeping with the reputation Fat Monster Films is getting as being a professional organization. I don't think we'll ever be mistaken for young Republicans (or even old ones for that matter) but we do intend to make certain people are aware how serious we take this craft.

Finally, I feel I should comment on the fact that we've worked very hard to make it clear that Fat Monster welcomes forum members to assist us on our projects. We've done this over the past year and we've devoted ourselves to helping other members on their projects as well. The result is a strong network of quid-pro-quo service and friendship that has really helped all of us out here in the L.A. basin working on indie stuff.

We are always very aware of what Kholi, Geoff, Matty, Luis, Zak at SABI and so many others here are doing and we have a lot of gear and equipment constantly moving to and from among the different parties. You need P2 cards? You need a grip? A phone call or two usually solves it. It often involves much needed income when people's productions have a budget (thanks so much Brandon for your supporting DVXUSERs in your own feature when you needed to rent gear or use people).

Bottom line is that I recall so very clearly almost three years ago when I showed up here. I knew nobody but I jumped in and started making a giant snake movie called Chow Baby. People didn't know me from squat but they were kind and every single person I wrote a question to found the time to write back. Eventually my on-line friendship with JDS led him to invite me to come to New York to help him shoot Rekindled. In many ways, that was the prototype for Fat Monster. Jack gave me a floor and a pillow and not much else in terms of creature comforts. However, he provided what was the closest thing to film school I'll ever have. What a ride. I've never forgotten how it felt to wake up knowing that another 12-hour day of shooting was looming (I've never felt more alive in my life. You guys know what I'm talking about.)

So, I appreciate all of you more than I can say. I appreciate you newbies even more than anyone else. You are, after all, the best proof of what this forum is about. I hope that we old farts can inspire you and give you the tools to knock us off of our pedestals soundly. It will be a pleasure to look up some day and feel that we had a part in your success.

[pauly_the_hitman]

I just found this thread and I think it is a fascinating one. First of all, I want to mention that the really good films always develop their own buzz as the viewing progresses. I happened to see a post by GageFX giving some serious accolades to your film as he commented on "The Moment After." GageFX is somebody I respect a great deal so that when he says "Survival" scored in his top 3 I immediately jumped ahead to download it. I'm sure other people stood up and noticed when they read that post AND as you started getting stellar reviews (from myself included).

So, over the next week or so, the films that are knocking people over will get known by word of mouth. it's turned out to be a happy circumstance that you are located just up the hill in the high desert where we shoot a lot. Unless you turn out to be slack-jawed mutants I suspect we will be having a lot of opportunities to work together.

On the hype thing, I freely and happily admit that I've become something of a P.T. Barnum here with respect to getting people into our tent. This started way back in the day when Ted Arabian and I started the Threading The Needle thread (which I believe still holds the record for most views/posts of any DVXUSER fest thread). To the chagrin of the mods, we have been a bit rambunctious and have sprinkled our threads with boobs, beer and bizarre t-shirt alterations. Its all been in good fun and it seems that people here accept us sort of as the crazy uncles that have questionable taste but a lot of funny fart jokes.

Having admitted the foregoing, I think most people will have noticed that we've tried to grow up a bit in keeping with the reputation Fat Monster Films is getting as being a professional organization. I don't think we'll ever be mistaken for young Republicans (or even old ones for that matter) but we do intend to make certain people are aware how serious we take this craft.

Finally, I feel I should comment on the fact that we've worked very hard to make it clear that Fat Monster welcomes forum members to assist us on our projects. We've done this over the past year and we've devoted ourselves to helping other members on their projects as well. The result is a strong network of quid-pro-quo service and friendship that has really helped all of us out here in the L.A. basin working on indie stuff.

We are always very aware of what Kholi, Geoff, Matty, Luis, Zak at SABI and so many others here are doing and we have a lot of gear and equipment constantly moving to and from among the different parties. You need P2 cards? You need a grip? A phone call or two usually solves it. It often involves much needed income when people's productions have a budget (thanks so much Brandon for your supporting DVXUSERs in your own feature when you needed to rent gear or use people).

Bottom line is that I recall so very clearly almost three years ago when I showed up here. I knew nobody but I jumped in and started making a giant snake movie called Chow Baby. People didn't know me from squat but they were kind and every single person I wrote a question to found the time to write back. Eventually my on-line friendship with JDS led him to invite me to come to New York to help him shoot Rekindled. In many ways, that was the prototype for Fat Monster. Jack gave me a floor and a pillow and not much else in terms of creature comforts. However, he provided what was the closest thing to film school I'll ever have. What a ride. I've never forgotten how it felt to wake up knowing that another 12-hour day of shooting was looming (I've never felt more alive in my life. You guys know what I'm talking about.)

So, I appreciate all of you more than I can say. I appreciate you newbies even more than anyone else. You are, after all, the best proof of what this forum is about. I hope that we old farts can inspire you and give you the tools to knock us off of our pedestals soundly. It will be a pleasure to look up some day and feel that we had a part in your success.




See once again I am so blown away with the caliber of film makers here that I am almost choked up over it. I can't wait to make a name for myself and my crew. We have been trying to find other artists that take this as seriously as we do. This is not just a hobby or fleating fancy but the heart and soul of my being. And just reading all the threads and seeing that there are others out there like us is the best part of this. I already feel like a winner just being in the same contest as all of you guys.

You all rock.
Thanks,
Pauly

[GageFX]

I just want to be clear: the OP asked how to get their film seen. To that, I responded with the Fat Monster example. I started watching from the top of the list, but I also immediately downloaded O2. Due to download times, O2 was the second film I watched. Since I know the guys, visited the set, and read through all 180 pages of thread, just like everyone else, I wanted to see what the final product was. And it was gorgeous.

So all that said, the hype is how you get your film VIEWED. Make a GREAT FILM and you'll win. (But you cant win if you aren't viewed. So hype that mofo.)

And thanks for the kind words, Mark. I just wish I had more time to learn from you guys this time around. Watching you work and talking to you on the Nude video was an education. Maybe again in the future.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

they got a best newcomer award or something and placed 4th in the voting. from what i've been told, IFHY was something like two or three points behind in 5th place. i don't know how the rest did rest. but the top five WERE all very tight, all within 3 or 4 votes of each other.
Ahh yes... newcomer. I remember something about that. I just remember distinctly that they didn't receive a top 3 award.

The competition was pretty stiff in that Fest, that I remember. :thumbup:

Probably looks tight for the top 3 or so in this one as well.

[Erik Olson]

Marketing can't make a horrid film good, but it does drive eyes to the property in question.

I target a few films for viewing prior to them becoming available based solely on their marketing threads. A good one features BTS, grabs and a fair amount of traffic. It is how the machine works.

Usually, these same films have had the most care lavished on them behind the scenes. Now, that said, I voted for Winter Lilacs as best in festival.

That one was barely out there in advance - very quiet from a marketing perspective. The goods were there, but it didn't come across like a rowdy frat party with strippers, a stolen Burger King statue and an equine in the upstairs bathroom. Had it conducted itself in this way, it might have placed top three. Sorry to say it.

Another (unspoken, I think) aspect of the post-viewing comment culture was indicated above. If you (the viewer) have been punished with a terrible entry, where little effort was made whatever, the voter might be less inclined to comment on it.

A good script can be recognized through terrible production value, but bad audio and acting can drive a stake through even the best sides.

Welcome to DVXUser and the fests!

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[Barry_Green]

Pauly, as everyone else has said, there's two things working against your # of views right now:
1) you're new here, with little hype; nobody really knows you here so they don't immediately jump over to your film.
2) your film starts with "S", and most people are working their way down the list, so many may not have gotten to it yet.

They'll get there though, and quality will triumph over buzz in the end. For the record, your film is in my top 5. As more people see it and start talking about it, you'll pick up some buzz and then you'll pick up views and then votes.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

I'm glad I didn't go with Zoolander 2: Magnum time!

[pauly_the_hitman]

Pauly, as everyone else has said, there's two things working against your # of views right now:
1) you're new here, with little hype; nobody really knows you here so they don't immediately jump over to your film.
2) your film starts with "S", and most people are working their way down the list, so many may not have gotten to it yet.

They'll get there though, and quality will triumph over buzz in the end. For the record, your film is in my top 5. As more people see it and start talking about it, you'll pick up some buzz and then you'll pick up views and then votes.


Thank you Barry. I was just setting there thinking with all the positive feedback we have received it is just good to know people are actually watching it. But come the next fest, I will strive very hard to make every effort to publicize it earlier the next time. And maybe title it like 1 or something LOL.

[Mark Harris]

And maybe title it like 1 or something LOL.

Yeah, my title's going to be .9. :)

[mjjason]

Well this thread is one way to do that. :)

I am working my way down the list and should get to yours by Wednesday. Judging by what people have been saying here it looks like it is a good one, I look forward to seeing it.

As for commenting on films, I try to comment on any film that I enjoyed or comment on films were I think I may have good advice. Though, like most here, time is limited so I can't comment on every film but I will watch every film. Typically I watch in alphabetical order but I always lookout for films that have been hyped prior to viewing or whose banner caught my eye like O2, The Five Worst Days..., Aegeas, RPMD, and a few other. But I watch all of them in the end.

For voting, while I am watching I keep an excel sheet that I use to rank films on several criteria, e.g. Sound, Cinematography, Music, Lighting, Story, Acting, Dialogue, Ending, and one or two other I can't remember right now. I give each section a 1-10 rating and then add up the score. The top 10 I will re-watch and comment on. The other I tend to not comment on any further. I would love to comment on everything but there are over 66 films so its hard to do so.

[Beat Takeshi]

loud flashy banners may get someone to click through also. Like who wouldn't click Marks banner after seeing a girl licking her finger? I'm not saying his is loud but you get the idea.

[Tom Marshall]

You should have your title like they have them in the phone book - aaaaSurvival. :thumbsup:

[Existentialist]

Yeah, my title's going to be .9. :)

Mine .8 then. :laugh:

[Existentialist]

I'm glad I didn't go with Zoolander 2: Magnum time!

Shucks!! I knew I should have gone with "Aardvarks of time: an adventure into space quandrums".

[GageFX]

I give each section a 1-10 rating and then add up the score.

Interesting. I have 8 criteria I rate on, 1-10, then I toss the two highest, two lowest and average the remaining four. I really struggled with this as I wanted to average the whole shebang, but I really decided that just because a film got a 10 in story, it shouldnt score high because of it, or if it scored a 1 for acting and a 2 for writing, it shouldnt be destroyed because of it. So instead of letting one or two high scores or one or two low scores determine the fate, I found it more fair to let the middle FOUR decide it.

I dont know that it's the best way, but it keeps it as objective as possible. I kept it is strict and fair as possible without letting any friendships factor into a higher score. Nor hype, nor lack of hype. Every film was judged exactly the same.


You should have your title like they have them in the phone book - aaaaSurvival.

Tommy. Answer your poopoopoopooing phone.

[Noel Evans]

Good system Gage. And ltnc by the way. I have to get back to LA soon and catch up with everyone. Waiting for the next trip, but dont think I can wait that long - might have to just come for a visit, would love to get on the FM set if they do the next fest, learn the local lingo.

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I would use a fancy rating system, but it take so much time. I just watch the film, think about what I saw. If there were things I had an issue with I'll take stars off accordingly.

Noel, just noticed your signature banner. I didn't know voting was still open for LoveFest. :evil:

[Slimothy]

Good system Gage. And ltnc by the way. I have to get back to LA soon and catch up with everyone. Waiting for the next trip, but dont think I can wait that long - might have to just come for a visit, would love to get on the FM set if they do the next fest, learn the local lingo.

We'd love to have you Noel! Let us know.

[Tom Marshall]

Tommy. Answer your poopoopoopooing phone.

Sorry Gage. I ate some bad tomatoes and have been sick as a mother fucker...

[GageFX]

I dont even want to know what "bad tomatoes" is code for. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):

[ConspiracyPenguin]

I dont even want to know what "bad tomatoes" is code for. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):

And you don't want to! See, the forum automatically replaces certain "bad words." For example, if I type "Fuck" you see "poo poo" but what I really typed was the F word. Now, there is one word/phrase so terrible and so foul that very few times has it passed someone's lips without that person kneeling over right there! That word changes to "bad tomatoes."

[Susanne G.]

I have just read the whole thread and I had some thoughts about what is advertising. One of the direct ways to make advertising is to put a lot of picture work in the thread like pictures of the actors, a good looking poster, grabs, etc.... An other way is to give critics on other threads so all people can often see your name and also take an idea from your personality seeing what you have to say. The last thing is comunication in general: make jokes, to be interested in learning something about the whole film subject - ask the others if you want to know something or give suggestions if you are able to do that.
All things considered, let people know that you are there. I don't think that it is enough to make a decent or good film - advertising is absolutly necessary!

Susanne

[Capt Quirk]

Hey guys this is our first stab at the dvxuser fest of any kind and we really worked our tails off and have very few views and comments. Any of you old timers got any suggestions for us? Or is it just because we are in the S's?
Quite simply answered- Boobs, Lots of Boobs right up front :) Cheap, but effective.

[Erik Olson]

See? My daily DVXUser search for "boobs" brought me right back to this thread! The marketing machine is at work... and the result is good. What was the name of your movie again?

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[Mark Johnson]

... I have to get back to LA soon and catch up with everyone. Waiting for the next trip, but dont think I can wait that long - might have to just come for a visit, would love to get on the FM set if they do the next fest, learn the local lingo.

Noel, we would truly love to have you spend time with us and I can imagine long evenings discussing your world travels. You are so fortunate to have had the experiences you've had. I hope everybody visits your site HERE (http://www.scarlet-films.com/SDC/News.html) to see what amazing things you've done. (and, no, that isn't a RickRoll guys).

[Tom Marshall]

I dont even want to know what "bad tomatoes" is code for. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):


bad tomatoes bad tomatoes bad tomatoes bad tomatoes

EDIT: Hmm, I guess they do censor that word... :huh:

[Erik Olson]

Tom, even your avatar looks a little sick today.

e

[Simon Höfer]

Noel, we would truly love to have you spend time with us and I can imagine long evenings discussing your world travels. You are so fortunate to have had the experiences you've had. I hope everybody visits your site HERE (http://www.scarlet-films.com/SDC/News.html) to see what amazing things you've done. (and, no, that isn't a RickRoll guys).
Hey, Noel updated his website! He even got a picture now! I met him in Toyko and he definitely is a great guy!

On topic:
Well, just stay around DVXuser and get involved in the community. Make some decent films. Start threads for them, get people interested in your work. Just have a good time and get better at what you love!

[pauly_the_hitman]

Hey, Noel updated his website! He even got a picture now! I met him in Toyko and he definitely is a great guy!

On topic:
Well, just stay around DVXuser and get involved in the community. Make some decent films. Start threads for them, get people interested in your work. Just have a good time and get better at what you love!

That is what I have been doing hopefully i have made a little bit of an impact on some of you guys. I am truly blessed to have become a part of DVXuser.com and to have seen a great video like "RickRoll" thanks Mark, (BTW I think Rick Astley is the second coolest white dude of all time.) And just jumping in like I have has already been worth it. I just need to get off the threads, damn addicting isn't it? I really should be getting other things done but can't seem to stay away longer then a couple of minutes.