View Full Version : Better Latitude than film
after_effects
05-23-2008, 06:36 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2517564374_f3d8b94058.jpg
Took this with the Fuji S5 pro. It's raw files have a huge amount of data in them.
Andrew Brinkhaus
05-23-2008, 06:39 PM
Impressive.
Mind sharing the details of the original photograph? ISO, shutter and stop, etc.
after_effects
05-23-2008, 07:10 PM
Sure,
ISO 200
1/30"
F2.8
Dropped it 4 stops when I brought it into camera raw.
Nicky
05-25-2008, 08:42 AM
Interesting, Ive just started using raw with my Nikon D40x - I just want to know if ISO is flexible after the fact, cos it seems I can choose ISO setting in post kinda like the Red One camera - Is this correct?
alveraz
05-25-2008, 09:36 AM
I'm finding that really hard to swallow. That first shot is the original? You didn't blow it out in post at all? I mean, at all?
www.zampanophoto.com
egproductions
05-25-2008, 11:02 AM
I'm glad alveraz said something, I was thinking the same thing. Would you be willing to share the raw file? If its true it has that much latitude I really have to consider other brands than Nikon or Canon.
ryan brown
05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
Sounds unbelievable to me also... but if it's true, that's freakin crazy! The brick wall and the left side of his face sure seem to be TOTALLY blown out...
Andrew Brinkhaus
05-25-2008, 12:48 PM
Yeah, I just don't believe that you were able to recover that much detail from your highlights with those image specs.
after_effects
05-25-2008, 07:46 PM
I am dead serious, the first picture has been unaltered. The second picture was brought into photoshops raw editor and then brought down 4 stops. The Fuji S5 actually has 2 sensors in it an captures 2 ranges of tones, then combines them into one image afterwards.
I would love to post the raw file, but how do i do it? It is also around 25mb because of all the information it has.
alveraz
05-25-2008, 07:58 PM
Someone get this man a host. If this is real, I'm selling my gear and buying this magical camera.
Tom Lowe
05-25-2008, 11:04 PM
Why would the guy lie??
Stop being doucheclowns.
alveraz
05-25-2008, 11:13 PM
I don't think anyone called him a liar, in fact we're all excited if this is the real deal, I know I am! I'm always screwing up my shots, I'd love to pull out the blown areas of my shots.
Relax.
seunosewa
05-26-2008, 12:42 AM
Let him upload the raw to convince us: use www.sendspace.com
rawfa
05-26-2008, 07:18 AM
This is actually pretty amazing. I wonder if this could be done with a D40. I have to give this a try when I have some time.
alveraz
05-26-2008, 09:35 AM
This is actually pretty amazing. I wonder if this could be done with a D40. I have to give this a try when I have some time.
It can't.
after_effects
05-26-2008, 11:51 AM
Well, here it is.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6534vl
Im also trying to find a raw editing program that can push this image further than -4 stops. Anyone know of any?
rawfa
05-26-2008, 12:11 PM
It can't.
How far do you think it could go? -2?
DivotDan
05-26-2008, 12:13 PM
Usually -2 is about right, but with that said, if the total latitude for a particular point in the file is only 255 then there is no recovery.
alveraz
05-26-2008, 12:16 PM
I'm not on my PC, can't upload. Anyone else try it yet? results?
Thanks.
rawfa
05-26-2008, 12:29 PM
"Sorry, the free service is at full capacity."
DivotDan
05-26-2008, 12:32 PM
It's the real deal. Here they are in 1 stop increments. And since the file is 25M, I would hope it would have that much info. As a note, there are areas in the window seal that are too far gone, and will not show value under 255.
-1
http://www.danedwardsphoto.com/dvxuser/1.jpg
-2
http://www.danedwardsphoto.com/dvxuser/2.jpg
-3
http://www.danedwardsphoto.com/dvxuser/3.jpg
-4
http://www.danedwardsphoto.com/dvxuser/4.jpg
alveraz
05-26-2008, 12:38 PM
my only observation is the image you started with has more detail than the image started with in this thread, or maybe i just couldn't see it due to it's size in the original post?
interesting.
DivotDan
05-26-2008, 01:00 PM
His first image was with no exposure adjustment. My first one is at -1. At 0, mine looked exactly like his.
joemondello
05-26-2008, 01:16 PM
The Fuji S5 and the Nikon D3 have wide DR (according to DP Review of the D3) and I have seen this kind of recovery in images before, so I guess I was not as surprised as some here.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3/page20.asp
About the D3 DPR says . . . "As the example below shows the ability to pull back color information is impressive, and though you can't expect miracles these are some of the most pliable RAW files we've yet seen. It's not quite Fujifilm S5 Pro level, but with careful processing it's not far off."
alveraz
05-26-2008, 01:33 PM
I'm convinced. Excellent!
DivotDan
05-26-2008, 01:39 PM
The camera doesn't have 2 chips as was previously suggested, but its chip does have 2 dedicated sets of pixels on the one chip. One of which is specifically to capture the higher dynamic range.
Here is more detail on that from the Fuji site. http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/s/finepix_s5pro/features/index.html
While the D3 is awesome, it does not employ the same type of chip....so it still has the same ~ +/- 2 stop limitation that most other digital chips have. The article referenced above has some good examples of this.
after_effects
05-26-2008, 02:46 PM
I wouldnt say that the D3 has the same range as the Fuji S5 though.
after_effects
06-03-2008, 12:17 AM
Oh and, thanks for thinking that i wasnt lying about this.
DivotDan
06-03-2008, 07:54 AM
Oh and, thanks for thinking that i wasnt lying about this.
Who was that directed to?
egproductions
06-03-2008, 08:40 AM
I don't think anyone called him a liar, in fact we're all excited if this is the real deal, I know I am! I'm always screwing up my shots, I'd love to pull out the blown areas of my shots.
Relax.
It just seemed unbelievable. Calling someone a liar is a lot different than being skeptical.
ugafan
06-03-2008, 01:44 PM
you're totally lying about these photos! and the only way i will believe you is if you mail the camera to me and let me use it. :laugh:
after_effects
06-03-2008, 10:55 PM
OK sure, whats your address so i can mail it to you?
Moojangles
06-04-2008, 07:18 PM
mmm S5... still pricey though. At least you can use Nikon glass on it :)
after_effects
06-11-2008, 10:10 PM
Ya thats the best thing about it. So far I have tried 4 nikon lenses and all of them work.
TimurCivan
06-15-2008, 06:31 PM
now they really need to incorporate this technology into an HD camera....
holy gmoly.
now they really need to incorporate this technology into an HD camera....
you can say that again.
after_effects
06-15-2008, 07:01 PM
Doesnt the Cinealta or the Genesis have a huge range of latitude?
Holy crapola, that's frikkin cool. Ugs only has a p.o. box, send the camera to me.
Nikon better come up with something this latitudidly good or I'll really consider jumping ship. Pretty amazing.
"latitudidly"
LOL....Great word!!
DivotDan
06-21-2008, 04:41 PM
The only down sides I see are huge file sizes.
I like that they basically use a D200 body so it would be compatible with all my other Nikon stuff. The biggest advantage I can see is the safety net of having your camera set incorrectly on a crucial shot for event photogs. Fuji does have some nice skin tones too.
All in all I think I would trade the latitude of an S5 for sharpness and low light quality of a full framed chip like a 5D. D3, or the soon to be released D700 (or whatever they call it).
after_effects
06-22-2008, 07:05 PM
The only down sides I see are huge file sizes.
All in all I think I would trade the latitude of an S5 for sharpness and low light quality of a full framed chip like a 5D. (or whatever they call it).
The photographer I shoot with has a 5D and I can say from comparing our images of the same scene and ISO, that the sharpness and high iso noise varies very little. If you zoom in all the way later in Photoshop you can tell, but for practical printing of 8X10 or slightly larger images, you cant tell. The biggest difference besides the latitude, is the slightly better DOF that he gets from the 5D sensor.
Latitude I find very handy for the work I do. If I have an area that is over exposed, I can duplicate the layer, lower the exposure, then brush in the detail.