Mac OS X For PC?

[Danny_Boyle]

Take A Look...
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,65323,00.html

[theos]

hmm

[Kirk Gillock]

Very interesting. Does this mean PC users can finally acquire the glory that is Final Cut Pro? I sure hope so.

[smkoch]

looks like it, they say it'll be available around march or so( 1st quarter of '05)

[dakotapod]

Am I wrong in assuming... Running the emulator with OSX on top of windows and then FCP on top of that being a massive resource hog? :-/

[Cheesesailor77]

hmmm, i cant imagine apple letting this go through, they're find some way to stop it

[Prairieboy]

I have run virtual PC on my mac and running anything processor heavy just ends in a firey mess. If Apple's pack of aggressive litigator's let this slip through their fingers, and this does work. Do not believe that you will be able to run FCP. I just can not see it happening. It would have to work through the Mac OS, then the emulator, then windows. That gives a whole new meaning to real time.
I am sure you will be able to tour the OS, use the itunes, iphoto, and get a feel of the Mac world. But trying to cut is asking for a world of hurt.

[David Jimerson]

OSX being UNIX-based, I can't imagine it wouldn't work on a clean install. I'd bet a dual-processor PC could run FCP like it was on a Mac.

Apple will have a problem if they lose this fight, because it's hard to imagine paying twice as much for one of their machines once the software runs on a PC. Sure, there will be those who will, but . . .

[theos]

Would I buy a FC to run on an emmulator?

[David Jimerson]

I don't know -- would you? If you could have FCP -- fully-functional -- on a machine which costs half as much as the comparable Mac (along with the flexibility and customizability, etc.) -- what would you do?

[theos]

I have friends that un virual PC on thier mac and thus have a bad opinion of a pc ... slow and not configurable they say. ..emulatos kill the system I think. . . we will see

[SkiUtah]

This is complete BS. There is no chance that this will be released, and apple will shoot it down *if* it ever comes out. When this CherryOS story came out in October, everyone thought it could be potentially real. But now the company seems to have died away, and no one has heard from them for quit some time.

[David Jimerson]

October is three months ago -- "quite some time" is a bit of an overstatement.

The company -- Maui X-Stream -- is very much alive -- www.vx30.com.

According to the CherryOS site linked to in the story, it said it would be available during Q1 2005, which we're barely over two weeks into. *The story said January or February. *That timeframe hasn't been missed.

Now, Apple may indeed challenge this and be successful. *But I think your pronouncements of death are a little premature.

[Isaac_Brody]

CherryOS looks like vaporware. Has anyone tried Pearpc?

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

[dakotapod]

I'm curious what the hoopla is with FCP. I've played with Premiere, Avid & Vegas but have never seen FCP. Just wondering what the attraction is. What does it offer the others do not?

[ronik15]

I think it doesn't really offer anything more even if I use it :P

[monte]

It offers more limitations, slower workflow helps you think

[Isaac_Brody]

Final Cut's pretty easy to use and learn. I found it similar to Premiere. It's been pretty well embraced and seems to be taken seriously, if those things matter to you. Avid obviously is pretty well established, Premiere is known but not as widely used. All are just tools in the toolbox. People ask me what I use and more and more I tell them that it comes down to your eye and sensibility. You could use the same paintbrush as Michelangelo, but that's where the similarities end.

[kappa22]

I've tried FCP quite a bit, just to see if it was worth digging into and learning, and I can tell you that it is WAAAYY overhyped (sound familiar?) It's true that a much slower working pace allows you to keep a clearer head, but when you're deadlining it, that tends to get in the way... While a luxurious Apple 30" monitor may make it look attractive, it's really kind of like a more convoluted Premiere. Plus, the infamous "Apple lag" (hearkening back to the days of Photoshop for Mac...) loves to jump in just as you are trying to complete a brilliant edit sequence. If you're a Mac user, you'd be better off with Avid (obviously).

However, all NLE's are nothing without an operator, so you should check it out and go with what you can work with best...

[pptphoto]

I don't think Apple spent all the R&D on the new Mac mini in order to convert PC users to the Mac platform so some obscure software company from Yugoslavia could steal their thunder. NO WAY would Apple ever let that happen. Besides, running OS X in a $500 PC would be kind of like putting a 12 cylinder Ferari engine into a $7000 Kia...

[TC]

I'm curious what the hoopla is with FCP. I've played with Premiere, Avid & Vegas but have never seen FCP. Just wondering what the attraction is. What does it offer the others do not?
I'm a Premiere guy, like yourself. When I was doing 48 hour film I had to work on someone else's FCP set up. After a night of getting to know it, I was able to do the same exact things that I was able to do in Premiere, just slightly different.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's all the same shit, just packaged differently.

[Loki]

Does anyone here follow slashdot.org at all?

This is really old news... If I remember correctly this software never went anywhere(or is going no where)

Then again they may have started up more hype again... but CherryOS is at least a few months old..

And OSX will not run on the x86 architecture natively. Cherry OS is an emulator and will be like Virtual PC.. a slow slow painful ordeal..

Apple will not put out OSX for pc unless they sell off or get out of the hardware business.

One main issue has to with the little endian vs big endian issues...

the question arrises.. why would you want to run OSX on a PC?

[lincolnlog]

I'm curious what the hoopla is with FCP. I've played with Premiere, Avid & Vegas but have never seen FCP. Just wondering what the attraction is. What does it offer the others do not?
well, Ive taken editing classes on avid... and Im still using fcp... Im just alot more efficient with fcp... but maybe thats my dual 2ghz g5 making me so fast *;)

[Loki]

damn yous lincolnlog and your G5!!

*shakes fist in the air

My Dual G4 gives your G5 the stink eye...


she is jealous I think..

[J_Barnes]

lets dispell another myth. a "comparable" PC is not half the cost of an apple by any stretch of the imagination.

Start pricing out dual G5's and dual Xeons and you'll quickly see how close their prices come.

[David Jimerson]

I did that. Building my own, it was $1500 v. $3000 (according to the Apple website) for a dual 3Ghz HT Xeon with comparable memory, HDD, and video card. I'll be doing this within the next few months.

[SkiUtah]

I did that. *Building my own, it was $1500 v. $3000 (according to the Apple website) for a dual 3Ghz HT Xeon with comparable memory, HDD, and video card. *I'll be doing this within the next few months.

But does that Xeon come with at least a 10+ user lisence of OS X Server? Does it come with any software at all?

[theos]

Now I am realy confused, FCP is cool cause it has a much slower working pace, and gives you time to think . . . err . . . and then you would build a PC to run it on over and above all potential slow it down further giving you more time to think.

The reason why PC's work is because they are so versatile, cost effective and configurable. Most of us can afford a PC at one third of the price of a Mac that runs at 80% of the speed . . . maths. Invest the other two thirds of the money and build a beast like Jimmersons . . . I would love to know more of that.

You cant run naitive FCP, or can you, but in any case there are a host of other programmes that now are available, DV rack, 3DS Max being one of the ones I cant do without. Practicaly anything can be accieved with some skill and pocket money on a PC . . . even make it work like a Mac . . . or not. Now I am confused ;)

[David Jimerson]

But does that Xeon come with at least a 10+ user lisence of OS X Server? *Does it come with any software at all?

$100 gets an OEM version of XP Pro. *Other than that, I don't WANT most of the crap that comes pre-installed on a computer.

Besides, I don't NEED it because I already HAVE it. All I need to do is swap my system drive into the new machine and make the adjustments when it recognizes all the new hardware.

[joshreluctant]

Personally, I'd love to run OS X just because I like the feel of a mac better, but I know my way around a PC much better, and I feel I could get more work done on it, I'd love to start on a mac though.

[Mino]

I don't get why you'd want to run mac os on you pc either. Kinda like fueling an f-18 with mid grade esso gas

[Loki]

it's funny... if Macs were so much slower than a PC then there would be few people that use them...

the top of the line mac can match a top PC easily. There are large fundamental differences in system architecture.. The fact that OSX itself is a MP system helps too. Also All Apple Pro Apps are written to use 2 processors..

Obviously the PC is faster on some things the mac on others... but generally they are fairly equivalent.

I personally have nothing against PC hardware.. I just absolutely dispise that piece of crap OS it comes with.. windows sucks large donkey balls.

And longhorn ain't coming out for a long time time.. fitting name I suppose..

[Mino]

I'm running windows 200 pro, and can't think of a thing I don't like about it. I have run mac os too in school no real problems with it either that could'nt be traced back to poor ethernet maintenance. I wouldn't give you two dollars for a coppy of win xp. I just can't think of a good reason to put mac os on my machine that runs slick as owlshit day after day, month after month with no blue screens or any other kind of hassle. I guess I'm from the old school of "If it aint broke don't fix it" ;)

[Daniel_Runyon]

I think a more exiting announcement would be "MIT Hackers Make Emulator To Run Vegas On A Mac!". I wouldnt run FCP unless Sony buys it and guts its code and replaces it with Vegas simply renamed. Once you get Vegas customized, it's like having your own personal NLE in many ways. There would be no sense to me to run a system as bogged down and awkward as an OS and software on a non-native set of hardware. Like they say, one of the big selling points for Mac is that the hardware and sofware were built in house so it works together more tightly. El Purposio El Defeatio.

[THX1138]

Where is everyone getting the idea that FCP runs slow? That's BS. I run FCP HD on a single 867MHz G4 with 768MB of RAM and it runs perfectly. Not slow at all.
In fact, thanks to the OS, I could open and run every app on my machine while working in FCP and work just as efficiently as I am now.
In fact, I've done it, just to demonstrate for a PC buddy.

That said, I agree that it's the ends, not the means, that really matter.

Question for the PCers... do the PC NLEs enable one to work with film (i.e., EDLs, change lists, etc.)? Besides Avid, I mean.

[David Jimerson]

Yes.

However, that *is* one weakness of Vegas -- it has a non-standard EDL. I believe a remedy for that is due, though.