PUSH - Directed by Matt Sconce

[Matt Sconce]

Right CLick to DOWNLOAD PUSH (http://dvxfest.ramjetfilms.com/time08/PUSH-msconce.mov)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1204453957.jpg

PUSH
Written and Directed by: Matt Sconce
Produced by: Matt Sconce, Mark Aro, Jennifer Tadlock, Troy Ruff
Cinematography: Matt Sconce
Score: Justin R. Durban
Shot on RED ONE


GRABS!!!GRABS!!!GRABS!!! (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1209302&postcount=3)

MORE GRABS!!!!!!! (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1231398&postcount=144)

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BTS STILLS: (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1234681&postcount=176)


Euipment List:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205941568.jpg

CAST:

Enoch-Kenn Arola
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1204654274.jpg

Allison- Heather Sconce
http://a929.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_21e6441c6b8b485742d023af2da72588.jpg

Here is part of our team hanging with the Red. Justin's company Blair Media Owns it.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206055325.jpg



I am in love...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206055808.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206120241.jpg

[Matt Sconce]

Previously: Justin R. Durban is on board as the composer for Push! I am very excited! http://www.justindurban.com/

3/3/08
Finished Rough Draft of Script and Set Dates for Filming

3/4/08
Revised Script. Draft 2 almost complete. Scheduled Location Tour of abandoned School. Began to research how to afford insurance and how to secure a cameo role for one part of the dialogue.

3/5/08
Prop guns purchased (EXPENSIVE! :() but very cool......
Other EXTREMELY important and integral prop
purchased and on its way as well.
Second draft of the script sent out for review, by some key members of the fest.
Third Draft Finished of the Script.
Director's Storyboards Finished.
Tomorrow is our tour of the abandoned school. Hopefully it is the perfect location!

3/6/08
Toured abandoned school location. It was awesome!
The application for the film permit has been sent to Ray, the Film Comissioner.
I included a petition for a Waiver of Insurance so we will see how it goes!

3/17/08
Waiver approved!
Button prop created!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1224688&postcount=88
Red One camera in! Wednesday I will play with it for lighting tests with Justin from Blare media.

3/23/08
First weekend shoot done! Here are behind the scenes!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206335896.jpg

[Matt Sconce]

Here are the first stills Untouched out of the first Weekend Shoot starting with a full res grab and then many re-sized grabs. I am loving the look staright out of the Red Camera! It is just pretty.:2vrolijk_08:


http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C012_080322_0602.jpg



The still above shows the size of the images Most are 4K, some time ramped are 2k.

Here are the rest squished down for Interent Friendliness.

Click on this link to access DVXuser only Website for Full res Still viewing. This is a landlocked site, so no one can access it without this link. (This way we can host the large images without violating any rules)
http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/PUSH.html

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I hope you enjoyed these untouched grabs. More will come in the future.:cheesy:

[Simon Höfer]

Welcome to the fest! Good luck. Waiting for some more infos :)

[Herman Witkam]

Good luck with your entry, Matt. Poster looks cool.

[Edgen]

Welcome to the party Matt! Looking forward to seeing more about your project.

Cheers!
/j

[Matthew R. Rodwell]

Good luck Matt

[Herman Witkam]

Welcome to the party Matt! Looking forward to seeing more about your project.

Cheers!
/j

Are you scoring, Justin? If so - Looking forward to it! :thumbsup:

[Blaine]

Sconce is back! Good luck, Matt. :thumbsup:

[Tomas Riuka]

lots of shooting? :) good luck!

[Edgen]

Are you scoring, Justin? If so - Looking forward to it! :thumbsup:

Yup! I believe so. Gonna push midi's. :)

/j

[Ted Arabian]

Matt.... AWESOME TO HAVE YOU IN!!!!!

Sweet!

Best of luck to you. I know that you will present something Kick-Ass!

-Ted

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Ah yee!
Scizonce in the heezy :beer:

[Brandon Rice]

Ah snap! Good to have you in here dude!

[Matt Sconce]

Matt.... AWESOME TO HAVE YOU IN!!!!!

Sweet!

Best of luck to you. I know that you will present something Kick-Ass!

-Ted


Thanks Ted I am excited to be participating this fest!

Ah yee!
Scizonce in the heezy :beer:
Woo Woo!



Thanks everyone for the welcome. I am looking forward to the fun that is to come! :beer:

[Tom Marshall]

Hey Matt, ain't seen you 'round here lately... hopefully because you're working on your feature. :)

Best of luck in your entry... :beer:

[Matt Sconce]

Hey Matt, ain't seen you 'round here lately... hopefully because you're working on your feature. :)

Best of luck in your entry... :beer:

We are jumping through the hoops to get the features rolling. There are just a lot of hoops. :smile: This will be fun to do while we are waiting for some answers.

[Gohanto]

Any movie with a poster including guns, ammo, and blood splatter effects has to be interesting.

Looking forward to seeing this already.

[Matt Sconce]

Any movie with a poster including guns, ammo, and blood splatter effects has to be interesting.

Looking forward to seeing this already.

It will definitely be interesting! I just finished the first draft of the script. I Like it!

[Matt Sconce]

Cast picture updated in first post. My Wifey has had our little baby girl so she is ready to act again! Woohoo!

[Matt Sconce]

CAST so far:

Enoch-Kenn Arola
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1204654274.jpg

Allison- Heather Sconce
http://a929.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_21e6441c6b8b485742d023af2da72588.jpg

[Kyle Stebbins]

alright, sconce! yes!

[Ted Arabian]

Cast picture updated in first post. My Wifey has had our little baby girl so she is ready to act again! Woohoo!

Congrats Man! That's great.

And a great picture of your wife!

cheers :beer:

-Ted

[Matt Sconce]

alright, sconce! yes!


Haha, Thanks Kyle! I went through some location scouting today. I believe I have the three locations I need. I will go with Mark on a tour of an abandoned school Thursday with the Fresno Film Comissioner, Ray Arthur. If it suits the scenes, I will have all locations chosen. Next comes figuring out how the heck to afford insurance. I only need it for two days on city property but 1 mil liability insurance goes for 680.00 minimum and no one will give me insurance for just two days...only 12 days. Oh well, there are some options for waivers and other special event insurance. I will let you know how it goes.:thumbup:

[Norm Sanders]

You guys will be fun to watch!

[Larry R]

Great to see you guys back in these fests ... looking forward to what you come up with. :thumbsup:

Regarding insurance...if you plan to do other filmd throughout the year then you might look into getting an annual policy. It doesn't cost much more then an shorter term policy, and you can usually pay it monthly (yes, another monthly bill, but easier than paying all up front some times). Just make sure you can change thr recipient throughout the year as you'll need to do that for whichever particular location needs the insurance provided.

[Mark T. Aro]

Great to see you guys back in these fests ... looking forward to what you come up with. :thumbsup:

Regarding insurance...if you plan to do other filmd throughout the year then you might look into getting an annual policy. It doesn't cost much more then an shorter term policy, and you can usually pay it monthly (yes, another monthly bill, but easier than paying all up front some times). Just make sure you can change thr recipient throughout the year as you'll need to do that for whichever particular location needs the insurance provided.

Larry, can you point us to someone that carries a policy like you mentioned?

[Ted Arabian]

Hey Mark! I've told Matt but let me tell you... IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU IN THIS FEST!!!

A few weeks ago I checked out the untitled project at Hyperactive Studios that you two are working on. A-MAZING! I cannot wait to see more of it!

Be well and good luck!

-Ted

[Kyle Stebbins]

I will go with Mark on a tour of an abandoned school Thursday with the Fresno Film Comissioner, Ray Arthur. If it suits the scenes, I will have all locations chosen.

Bring the pictures back to here! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an abandoned school like the one in Children of Men.

COOL!

[Mark T. Aro]

Hey Mark! I've told Matt but let me tell you... IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU IN THIS FEST!!!

A few weeks ago I checked out the untitled project at Hyperactive Studios that you two are working on. A-MAZING! I cannot wait to see more of it!

Be well and good luck!

-Ted


Thanks Ted. It's nice to be back. I feel like we have been in a fog for a while. So much going on and barely time to take a breath.

Hopefully Matt and Jen wont injure me to badly, but the funding front is coming along on some of our projects. We have several people looking at the whole slate and we are getting a lot of good feedback, but there are also some who are interested in one of our ten. I know I speak for both Jen and Matt, we really could careless which one gets funded first. It may be one that I will direct, one that Matt or Jen will direct or one of the projects that we chose to earmark for two-Directors. Regardless, even the lowest budget ones in our slate will allow us to quit the day jobs and it will get us started.

We had lots of good movement on the fnding front happen last week and supposedly there is at least one big follow up meeting at the end of the week. We shall see!

We will keep you guys informed as much as we can.

Best of luck!

Mark :2vrolijk_08:

[Ted Arabian]

Wow. That's great to hear, Mark. I wish you success there. You guys surely are talented enough... just need the dough!

I'll be following your thread (again!).

Nice to have you guys on board.

-Ted

[Matt Sconce]

Wow. That's great to hear, Mark. I wish you success there. You guys surely are talented enough... just need the dough!

I'll be following your thread (again!).

Nice to have you guys on board.

-Ted


Thanks Ted!


Update: Prop guns purchased (EXPENSIVE! :() but very cool......
Other EXTREMELY important and integral prop
purchased and on its way as well.

[Cliff Wildman]

hey mark -

this is looking cool. do you mind sharing more info about the guns? i'd be curious where you got them, cost, how they work etc.

thanks!

[Mark T. Aro]

Thanks Ted!


Update: Prop guns purchased (EXPENSIVE! :() but very cool......
Other EXTREMELY important and integral prop
purchased and on its way as well.

Dude you weren't supposed to talk about the GIANT SHAG covered EXPRESSO machine / Tomato Slicer.... :Drogar-Dolar(DBG):

[Mark T. Aro]

hey mark -

this is looking cool. do you mind sharing more info about the guns? i'd be curious where you got them, cost, how they work etc.

thanks!

Hey Cliff...

Matt is the one who got the guns... I am just riding shotgun on this one.... :cheesy:

MATT? GUNS?

[Matt Sconce]

Cliff, The guns are full metal blowback airsoft guns that use Green gas to produce slide action when the trigger is pulled. They give the exact motion of a real gun and allow you to put in muzzle flashes in post and not have to fire blanks off on location. This helps to avoid the police and upset neighbors, while keeping the kick and weight of a real gun. Here is a link to one I bought.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350032385636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=022

:kali::violent5:

[sfoster]

We don't have any guns in my film, but we might have a bow and arrow with a suction cup on the tip of the arrow! :)

[Matt Sconce]

We don't have any guns in my film, but we might have a bow and arrow with a suction cup on the tip of the arrow! :)

That would be pretty sweet too!



UPDATE:
Second draft of the script sent out for review, by some key members of the fest. Third Draft Finished of the Script.

Tomorrow is our tour of the abandoned school. Hopefully it is the perfect location! :engel017:

[Mark T. Aro]

That would be pretty sweet too!



UPDATE:
Second draft of the script sent out for review, by some key members of the fest. Third Draft Finished of the Script.

Tomorrow is our tour of the abandoned school. Hopefully it is the perfect location!

Yep.. I am bringing the NIKON so we should have some cool pictures to show... Oh crap... are we pickiing up the film commisioner in my car?

If so I gotta go clean out at least 2' deep of crap in my car (consisting mostly of soda bottles)... I wasn't scheduled to do that for at least another month. :crybaby:


Any chance we can meet him there? :laugh:

M

[Matt Sconce]

We are meeting him there! Step away from the car cleaner!

[sfoster]

Yeah my van is always packed full. I can't wait 'til I get a trailer!

[Matt Sconce]

Just confirmed with the film comissioner. We will let you know how it goes!

[Mark T. Aro]

Yeah my van is always packed full. I can't wait 'til I get a trailer!

A trailer for your empty soda bottles... that dedication for you! :cry:

Yeah I want a grip truck/trailer too, then we can put all our stuff in it and get it out of Matt's van, my garage, my loving room and various other places.

I would feel better if my car was full of film stuff... I don't have room for film stuff.

[Matt Sconce]

A trailer for your empty soda bottles... that dedication for you! :cry:


I would feel better if my car was full of film stuff... I don't have room for film stuff.


Who needs order and cleanliness! We need movie ideas and time to make them...that is our bread and butter!

Speaking of bread and butter....I wish I had an extra 4000 to rent a red for this shoot!

[sfoster]

Don't we all!

[Aaron Marshall]

I'm looking forward to this entry Matt. Your work is always top notch.

[Matt Sconce]

I'm looking forward to this entry Matt. Your work is always top notch.

Thank you, I appreciate that. We have one of the Producers Troy Ruff taping our location perusal today so we will hopefully have some screen grabs and footage to show later.

[Matt Sconce]

The location is perfect! Our locations are chosen and now it is all about filling out film permits and such. I am going to apply for a waiver for the insurance and see how I do. We will post location pics soon.

[sfoster]

Great news matt! I just hope I can hammer out my script soon so I can compete with you!

[Matt Sconce]

The application for the film permit has been sent to Ray, the Film Comissioner. I included a petition for a Waiver of Insurance so we will see how it goes!

[Mark Johnson]

Hey guys, I've been following your thread (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=125121) on the UserFilms section anxious to hear what's happening with your multi picture deal. The last post I saw said your executive producer was on his way back from Berlin with big good news. Give us an update!

[Brandon Rice]

Yeah, don't leave us hanging!

[Mark T. Aro]

Guys... Sorry about that... been a bit pre-occupied forgot to keep up on the other thread...

I just updated it!

[Matt Sconce]

Well, I just got an email back from the film comissioner and he has sent our letter on to risk assesment to see if they will give us the waiver!!:shocked:

It would be huge if they gave us the waiver!:cheesy:

We film the 21st and 22nd and the 28th and 29th of March!

[Matt Sconce]

I am having to go out on a shoot for work, but I am hoping to get some location pictures up later today.

[Mark T. Aro]

Yeah, don't leave us hanging!

Brandon (and anyone else interested) I Just updated the USER FILMS thread so check it out for the latest on funding and our SLATE.

:happy:

[DJ Lewis]

So apprently you guys figure out how to squeeze 30 work hours out of a 24 hour day.... how in the world do you do it?

[Mark T. Aro]

So apprently you guys figure out how to squeeze 30 work hours out of a 24 hour day.... how in the world do you do it?


It's a measured balance of clones, no sleep and Lots n Lots of Red Bull (Coffee for Matt). :Drogar-Dolar(DBG):

Oh yeah and we are both SEVERALLY ADHD... I embrace it and Matt denies (most of the time).

[DJ Lewis]

Oh yeah and we are both SEVERALLY ADHD... I embrace it and Matt denies (most of the time).

Someone should talk to him about that:2vrolijk_08:

[Matt Sconce]

Update:

It appears we may be shooting Push on the Red One. If all goes well, Justin of BLARE media will be joining our happy team and bringing his Red to the party! Any experienced Red One Operators out there want to come up for the shoot? Any Steadicam Operators want to join the fun? Woohoo! This is getting exciting!

[sfoster]

I thought about asking Justin about that! Cool I haven't seen him since I did a news segment on ultimate frisbee!

[Matt Sconce]

I thought about asking Justin about that! Cool I haven't seen him since I did a news segment on ultimate frisbee!

Yeah! He sounds like a great guy. Shooting with a red would be amazing!:cheesy:

[Ted Arabian]

...... we may be shooting Push on the Red One.

Lucky!

[Matt Sconce]

I hope it all works out. There are many things that could put us back to filming with the three HVX's lined up for this. That would still be cool though!

[Matt Sconce]

LOCATION 1 SHOTS:

The Film Comissioner of Fresno City gave Us a Tour of an Abandoned School that we will be using for a location in Push. Here are some shots from our tour!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205188816.jpg

Me Lurking in the Dark!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205188837.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205188850.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205188865.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205188881.jpg

[Mark T. Aro]

Those photos rock! What artistic flare! Amazing... single tear... amazing!

[Matt Sconce]

Those photos rock! What artistic flare! Amazing... single tear... amazing!
Haha.....Yes Yes...Mark took those photos! Haha:2vrolijk_08:

[Ted Arabian]

hee hee..

That is quite the location. Is it pretty much in the shape that you are looking for? Or do you have mounds of work ahead of you?

The floors are crazy!

[Mark T. Aro]

hee hee..

That is quite the location. Is it pretty much in the shape that you are looking for? Or do you have mounds of work ahead of you?

The floors are crazy!

(Beating Matt to the punch) It is dead on! Lighting and that is it.

[Matt Sconce]

(Beating Matt to the punch) It is dead on! Lighting and that is it.

Yep! Mwah haha!:laugh:

[Ted Arabian]

Nice!

[sfoster]

I look forward to helping light it! :)

[jasonthewho]

I'm jealous of your badass location.

[Matt Sconce]

I'm jealous of your badass location.
Haha! It is pretty awesome. It will be cool to film there if we do not get jumped and our equipment stolen. All that equipment will be screaming "Steal me! I'm Expensive." Good thing my dad will be there (Super military man) and if needed I will bust out my mad kung fu skills. haha! :nads:

[Bryan]

So is the city charging anything for you to shoot there? Or are you still wanting to hear back on your insurance waiver?

[Matt Sconce]

So is the city charging anything for you to shoot there? Or are you still wanting to hear back on your insurance waiver?

Still waiting to hear back on the waiver, but other than insurance, it would be free. Hopefully it will be completely free, but if not if will cost 700 for Insurance. :crybaby:

[Matt Sconce]

Still do not know about the Red One. I will call Justin for an update today.

[sfoster]

Any update? I would really like to shoot on the RED!

[Larry R]

LOcation looks awesome Matt ... actually looks surprisingly similar to the images in my mind while reading the script. Speaking of which, did you ever receive my notes I sent over?

Looking forward to this one.

[Matt Sconce]

I did not receive the notes. I wondered if you had sent them?? send them to aftershock_studios@hotmail.com Thanks Larry!



UPDATE! Justin's Red One arrives tomorrow, we have set Red Lens rentals 18-50mm in motion for the shoots and will be filming with the Red One!

[Larry R]

sent ... let me know if they still don't show up.

Cool news about the RED :thumbsup:

[Matt Sconce]

Thanks for the review Larry! I just sent you an e-mail!

[Matt Sconce]

The RED One comes in Monday and then we have a week to play with it before the first shoot.

UPDATE!
The City and Film Comissioner approved our insurance waiver! We can shoot without having to get it! That means we are a go!

[Geoff_R]

You've got a whole week to play with the Red...come on dude...You know you just need to whip up another script and short something else during that time :) You can't waste any Red days. :)

[Matt Sconce]

Hmm...Interesting concept...:dankk2:

[Matt Sconce]

Could it be? This could be the day I actually see the Red in real life! We will see if it arrives as Red has promised Justin at Blare Media. If so, then tonight we shoot test footage! I'll let you know what happens!

[TimurCivan]

I did not receive the notes. I wondered if you had sent them?? send them to aftershock_studios@hotmail.com Thanks Larry!



UPDATE! Justin's Red One arrives tomorrow, we have set Red Lens rentals 18-50mm in motion for the shoots and will be filming with the Red One!

Sweet.

[Matt Sconce]

Tonight we built the button prop needed for Push. Here is a picture tour of its creation. Pictures aren't the best but you get the idea. Enjoy!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816451.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816493.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816554.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816592.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816642.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205816801.jpg

[jasonthewho]

Sweet prop! Interested to see how it fits into your movie!

[Mark T. Aro]

Sweet prop! Interested to see how it fits into your movie!


Yes... it is for the EXTREME DISCO DANCING SCENE.... we call it the TIME WARP!!!!!

Oops... was I supposed to share that...

[Matt Sconce]

We check out the Red One Tomorrow. We will be deciding what resolution to shoot with. We are using a PC workflow, so it makes things more difficult. I am also trying to gather funds to rent a Steadicam that can support the Red. Anyone have one that wants to jump in?:2vrolijk_08:
Oh...and in the meantime Mark and I slide ever closer to financial ruin.:violin:

[Matt Sconce]

Oh...and in the meantime Mark and I slide ever closer to financial ruin.:violin:

On the topic of financial ruin, I just applied for a business credit card. We will see how it goes...:engel017:

[Mark Johnson]

On the topic of financial ruin, I just applied for a business credit card. We will see how it goes...:engel017:

Didn't I see on your User Films thread that your co-producer closed funding and that the only question was when the funds would arrive? Can't you use that as security for a loan?

[Matt Sconce]

We all hope this is what occurred and that the check would come to our producer speedily, but as most of us in this industry know, money is never real until it is in your bank account, and many promises cannot be believed until the promised result occurs. It is sad but true. I am blessed to be working with Mark and Jen who are different than this, but it is still prevalent in the industry. If that money occurs, then Mark and I will definitely head upwards from financial oblivion. For now things seem bleak, but as Mark and I love to quote:

When you get into a tight place, and everything goes against you till it seems as if you could n't hold on a minute longer, never give up then, for that 's just the place and time that the tide 'll turn. -Harriet Beecher Stowe

We will just keep holding on and we will ride out this tide and remember these trials as moments that refined us and shaped us into the Moviemakers and people we want to be.

[Matt Sconce]

UPDATE!

I traded some equipment for the rental of a Glidecam V16 for 12 days.
It will hold the Red and we will test today!
Here is the first Push Equipment list:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205941568.jpg

[Mark T. Aro]

UPDATE!

I traded some equipment for the rental of a Glidecam V16 for 12 days.
It will hold the Red and we will test today!
Here is the first Push Equipment list:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205941568.jpg

NETHERBORN too! :)

[Matt Sconce]

Here is part of our team hanging with the Red. Justin's company Blair Media Owns it.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206055325.jpg



I am in love...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206055808.jpg

[Mark T. Aro]

Matt and the guys are messing with the Steadi-cam on the RED as we speak. I am currently working on my screenplay for Fish Bomb so I am missing out on the Red-irificness that the guys are enjoying, but that is okay, I am enjoying the story that I am writing... I can't wait to see what happens next!!!!

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Nice to see that the v16 arrived.

[Matt Sconce]

Nice to see that the v16 arrived.

I appreciate the trade Matt! (The V-16 we are using is IMG's. It is working well. We played with it for hours tonight balancing the Red. RED did not send the correct attachments for the camera, so my engineering father is having to develop a way to mount the camera to the steadicam and enable a way to make the follow focus mountable and functional. Good times!!! :thumbsup:

[Matty_g]

What part did RED not send? And what problems are you having mounting the FF?

[Ted Arabian]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1205941568.jpg

Not too shabby, Matt and Mark! (actually... pretty f'n awesome!)

Great thread here. Love the updates, the prop, the info.... keep it up and good luck!

You guys ROCK!

-Ted

[Matt Sconce]

What part did RED not send? And what problems are you having mounting the FF?

They did not send the attachment for the rail system so we cannot use the Red Rails or put it together to have it shoulder mountable. We are having to adapt a Cavision rail system to hold all of this and use a Red rock follow focus, which is not at the right height on the rails to interact with the Red lens. Lots of preparation work, but my dad is an engineer inventor guy and he is machining these parts today for tonight's shoot. We should be good to go. I will post BTS shots after the next two shoot days.

UPDATE:
Tonight and Saturday will be the first 2 of 4 shooting days for Push. Saturday will also be shooting for Netherborn.:cheesy:

[Matt Sconce]

Here is some Pre-Prod BTS. This is a Green Screen Test shot last night on the Red One. We shot everything 2k 2:1.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206120241.jpg

[Ted Arabian]

That is pretty amazing, huh? I don't know much about Green Screen and keying and all that jazz, but I can see that you were able to key-out the green even through the tiny hairs in his mustache!

[Matty_g]

They did not send the attachment for the rail system so we cannot use the Red Rails or put it together to have it shoulder mountable.

You mean the red bottom plate? you'd still need the red 15mm adapter mounted on a universal mount to get the RR FF up there.

Also, why 2k 2:1?

[Matt Sconce]

Our post is all PC workflow and we have some 120fps stuff. Any luck with other Resolutions on a PC adobe workflow?

[Larry R]

Hey, Matt ... I see you start shooting tonight. Guess I took too long getting back to you with any thoughts ... hopefully my initial thoughts were helpful.

Looking forward to it, it should be pretty awesome! :thumbsup:

I notice in that key, you also lost the shine in his eye .... but other than that, fantastic key

[Ted Arabian]

I notice in that key, you also lost the shine in his eye ....

Really? Man, I can't see that. Do you mean in the left eye?

I guess there is a loss of "glare" on the nose and lips.

Still, this just amazes me how well he key out!

[Matt Sconce]

Yep, this was after only one click. :-) That shows the coolness factor of Red. The key was not massaged at all.

Matty G. I am interested to know what your thoughts on 2k 2:1 are. Do you have another reccomendation for our setup? We will be editing in Premiere Pro CS3 and using after effects a ton.

It is almost time! I am excited!

[Matt Sconce]

I notice in that key, you also lost the shine in his eye .... but other than that, fantastic key
Here is the key with black behind it. The glare and eye shine is still there. :thumbsup:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206136145.jpg

[Matty_g]

I've only worked with red footage on an apple so i don't really know about the pc workflow.
Are you editing with the proxies? are you transcoding footage anyway?

[Matt Sconce]

We are not able to edit with the proxies because PC does not support the codec yet. We are going out of Red Cine and rendering out Tiff files per frame. (25mb a frame!):thumbup::huh:

[Larry R]

Nice, so it wasn't lost, just against a white background ... didn't consider that :) Looks great.

[Ted Arabian]

Very, very cool.

Matt, you guys have a great shoot tonight. Looking forward to a good report and some great bts!

[Bryan]

Hey Matt, you interested in having some fellow Fresno filmmakers as curious set visitors??? (myself and Roque aka. BrodieMash from the Fresno blog 'The Dumb are Intrigued by the Drum') Haha lemme know!

[Matt Sconce]

Sure Bryan! Come on down. We will put you to work. We will be setting up our green screen stage at 6pm and starting filming at 8pm. The only issue is there are not Bathrooms. (We will have to use nature or drive to facilities.):embarasse We may be shooting with the red but we are still broke Indie Filmmakers! haha

N on 41

Left on 14 1/2

Right on Huntington

Behind the seventh-ish house on the left (The one with the up raised lawn and metal gate to the right of it)

[Matt Sconce]

:2vrolijk_08:Nice, so it wasn't lost, just against a white background ... didn't consider that :) Looks great.

Yep, I had to go check to make sure.:cheesy:

[Matt Sconce]

UPDATE:


I am off to the first night of shooting! See ya on the flip side!

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i hope all goes well.:thumbsup:

[Mark Johnson]

Good luck Fresno guys. Let's have some real Red schoolhouse rock!!!!

[Ted Arabian]

Matt and Mark... I hope that your shoot went great!

[Mark Johnson]

Yes indeed. I am excited to keep Dvxuser in the loop as this beast progresses!

Hey Matt and Mark,

What's the status of SLEEPER??? Are you continuing to work on it?

[Kyle Stebbins]

Hey Matt and Mark,

What's the status of SLEEPER??? Are you continuing to work on it?

Also curious

[Mark T. Aro]

Good luck Fresno guys. Let's have some real Red schoolhouse rock!!!!

THE SHOOT WAS GREAT!!!!!

Well I don't know about that, but I will tell you that the shoot went really well. I know Matt will have a lot to say, but I will put a couple of comments down and that those would be BLARE MEDIA rocks. Justin and Ian, were amazing. They brought their RED and many toys and they were awesome. What a relief to have talented invested guys to run the camera and handle lights and so much more. They were quite the blessing. We have one more weekend of PUSH shooting and then we will move on to Shooting NETHERBORN. I hope we don't were them out before we get to NETHERBORN!:grin:

We shot a few NETHERBORN shots, but really we are going to film the bulk of it later after PUSH.

As a whole, our team is GREAT... as always and our actors ROCKED big time. We had some awesome performances and so beautiful photography. I can't want for more.

I will leave it at that and let Matt take it from there.

time to sleep now!!!

[Mark T. Aro]

Hey Matt and Mark,

What's the status of SLEEPER??? Are you continuing to work on it?


Well, funny your should mention that. We decided to make it a feature. It is included in our slate and we will pitch it as such. I don't know if we will finish the short or not. I have to talk to Matt and see what he thinks.

:cheesy:

[Ted Arabian]

Glad to hear that the shoot was great! Looking forward to the full report!

[Matt Sconce]

The shoot went wonderfully. I second the fact that the guys from Blare Media were amazing. The Red Camera perfomred gloriously and brought a freedom to help me express exactly what I wanted in this first shoot. Thank you to everyone who helped and put in the hours! Mark, of course, I couldn't have done it with out you. You Rock! I look forward to Netherborn Shoots!

Here are some Behind the scenes photos!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206335896.jpg

[Ted Arabian]

Great BTS Matt! You boyz loos so excited around that RED ONE! Very cool.

It looks like this lens is emitting light... but that certainly is not the case, right???? Is that light being reflected into the lens? Very curious.

http://tedarabian.com/DVX/Red_lensglow.jpg

Glad that the shoot went awesome! Good luck on Mark's shoot.


edit......

I was just checking out the Red on the Sled and was curious how it handled and if your Steadican Op liked the V-16....

THEN I saw THIS!

http://tedarabian.com/DVX/Red_sled.jpg

:shocked: That's a lot of weight down there!

[Mark T. Aro]

Great BTS Matt! You boyz loos so excited around that RED ONE! Very cool.

It looks like this lens is emitting light... but that certainly is not the case, right???? Is that light being reflected into the lens? Very curious.

http://tedarabian.com/DVX/Red_lensglow.jpg

Glad that the shoot went awesome! Good luck on Mark's shoot.


edit......

I was just checking out the Red on the Sled and was curious how it handled and if your Steadican Op liked the V-16....

THEN I saw THIS!

http://tedarabian.com/DVX/Red_sled.jpg

:shocked: That's a lot of weight down there!

Yes it was very interesting. I believe it all started with not having the right plate or something from RED. Eventually Matt's dad had to manufacture something, which I think in turn effected the whole rig. In order to get the right balance in the end, they had to add more weight. Matt's dad handled the Stedi-cam... man he rocks!

[Ted Arabian]

His Dad!!! Cool. (I wish my dad was that cool.)

So, what about the lens on that Red looking like a film projector? Any explanation for that or do I have to wait until my first Red experience?

[Mark T. Aro]

His Dad!!! Cool. (I wish my dad was that cool.)

So, what about the lens on that Red looking like a film projector? Any explanation for that or do I have to wait until my first Red experience?

We could tell you, but then we would have to kill you!

These aren't the droids you're looking.... there is no light coming out of the RED!!!

It is not the spoon that bends....

[Ted Arabian]

hee hee... well, I would have been floored if there actually WAS light being emitted from the RED (other than the glow of the halo around it!).

[Matt Sconce]

hee hee... well, I would have been floored if there actually WAS light being emitted from the RED (other than the glow of the halo around it!).

That would be pretty sweet, maybe a built in ring light? My dad created a great plate which we used to hook up the Red to the Tripod and Steadicam and the plate allowed us to turn the Cavision rod setup backwards, which allowed us to use the Redrock Follow Focus (courtesy of Shane Foster "Rope the Moon")

The ability to have the low light capability of the Red and the amazing DOF control blew my mind. It also has a nice weight to it making handheld shots much less jittery. It was interesting shooting with a camera that is worth more than my combined possessions. It definitely is worth it though. The 18-50mm lens did great and it is not fast in comparison to others out their like some superspeeds, but handled the light beautifully. Those guys at Red have me hooked for sure. When I can afford it, I will buy one no questions asked. It is that amazing to work with.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbsup::grin::beer:

We will see how it does at the final shoots this Friday and Saturday.

[Ted Arabian]

That must have been an awesome experience, Matt. Really looking forward to Grabs and your final film!

[Matt Sconce]

That must have been an awesome experience, Matt. Really looking forward to Grabs and your final film!

It was amazing. For those of youy who missed the BTS Pictures. Check out the first page! :thumbsup:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=127317

[Matt Sconce]

HOLY CRAP!
I just saw the first images from our shoot in Red Cine and I am so pleased and excited. I will post some Uncorrected grabs in the next 30 minutes.

[Matt Sconce]

Here are the first stills Untouched out of the first Weekend Shoot starting with a full res grab and then many re-sized grabs. I am loving the look staright out of the Red Camera! It is just pretty.:2vrolijk_08:


http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C012_080322_0602.jpg



The still above shows the size of the images Most are 4K, some time ramped are 2k.

Here are the rest squished down for Interent Friendliness.

Click on this link to access DVXuser only Website for Full res Still viewing. This is a landlocked site, so no one can access it without this link. (This way we can host the large images without violating any rules)
http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/PUSH.html

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C012_080322_0602_2000k_op_800x400.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C008_080322_0696_op_800x400.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C010_080322_0529_op_800x400.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C006_080322_1899_op_800x400.jpg



I hope you enjoyed these untouched grabs. More will come in the future.:cheesy:

[smashedburrito]

Grabs look great! Keep em coming!

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Matt- they look great

[Sprocketboy]

Matt - Thanks for sharing your experience on this particular production.

I don't know if someone mentioned this or not, but how are you managing all the video media? Shooting ratio? Storage of 4K media? How many terabytes? Are you using a fiber-optic raid system? I like to know.

[Matty_g]

If it really is just a short i doubt they go over 1 TB.

[Matt Sconce]

Matt - Thanks for sharing your experience on this particular production.

I don't know if someone mentioned this or not, but how are you managing all the video media? Shooting ratio? Storage of 4K media? How many terabytes? Are you using a fiber-optic raid system? I like to know.

I think we are going to get away with 1 terabyte-ish. We are capturing off of a compact flash card to two hard drives and a laptop harddrive as well so we have triple redundancy in case one goes down. We then offload to a terabyte drive and export tiffs from Red Cine. 2K is about 25mb per frame and 4k is exponentially higher. We will need more space for 4k. We only are exporting the take we want though which will save on space as Redcode so far is only 60-70 gb for the first weekend shoot.:dankk2:

[Matt Sconce]

Here are some new grabs and one some grabs from before in case you missed them. All of them are compressed to internet friendly sizes, but they are all 4k or 2k Untouched out of camera. I will post a 4k if there is a demand:
http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C012_080322_0602_2000k_op_800x400.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C001_080323_0000-2K_op_800x450.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C011_080322_0275-4k_op_800x400.jpg

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C002_080323_0170-4k_op_800x400.jpg




UPDATE:
I am preparing for this weekend's shoot. It will be the final shoot for Push and involves a lot of action. We are renting the Red 18-50mm lens again so we need to get moving with that order! -Matt

[Matt Sconce]

Here is a test on a cropped section of the 4k image. This is a comparison between the untouched image and then the same image with sharpening:

Untouched:
http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C002_080323_0170eye.jpg

Sharpening filter:
http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C002_080323_0170eye-sh.jpg

[Mark T. Aro]

Here is a test on a cropped section of the 4k image. This is a comparison between the untouched image and then the same image with sharpening:

http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C002_080323_0170eye-sh.jpg

WOW... Kenn needs to do some plucking! :laugh:

[Matt Sconce]

Hey now!

[Sprocketboy]

The amount of control you have over the image is amazing. Are you using RedALERT to preview on your computer? How are you managing sync audio?

Sorry about the questions... I'm curious about how RED's workflow will slow things down if you don't have all the proper support hardware or software. I guess its a matter of transferring to an editable format and conforming in the end.

[Matt Sconce]

The amount of control you have over the image is amazing. Are you using RedALERT to preview on your computer? How are you managing sync audio?

Sorry about the questions... I'm curious about how RED's workflow will slow things down if you don't have all the proper support hardware or software. I guess its a matter of transferring to an editable format and conforming in the end.


Audio was recorded into the Red and also into a Digital system. I cannot use Red Alert sadly because I am on a PC so I will have to Sync audio the hard way. Making it line up with lips, actions, etc. I open the clips with Red Cine (It works on only one of our editing stations) Hopefully two when my XPS system comes in April 5th.

We export Tiff sequences and edit those.

I never mind the questions. I believe this is a community where the sharing of knowledge should come before secrets so we can all grow as filmmakers.

[Ted Arabian]

Wow! Matt, these look great!

And that first untouched grab is H-U-G-E!

[Matt Sconce]

Wow! Matt, these look great!

And that first untouched grab is H-U-G-E!

Thanks Ted! I thought I would throw everyone a 4k bone here because the still is so awesome looking, but I didn't want to post them all like that because it would bog everything down. Glad you like the grabs!:2vrolijk_08::cheesy:



http://aftershockstudios.homestead.com/A001_C012_080322_0602.jpg

[Ted Arabian]

Yeah, that is pretty cool. I can't get over how big that is. Must be incredible to work with. Yowza!

So, is that bokeh directly from the RED? You didn't shot with an adapter, right? I have to go back and look at your rig.

...

I'll answer my own question....

Nope. no adapter. right out of the Red... and a pretty damn nice looking lens!

[Matt Sconce]

Yeah, that is pretty cool. I can't get over how big that is. Must be incredible to work with. Yowza!

So, is that bokeh directly from the RED? You didn't shot with an adapter, right? I have to go back and look at your rig.

...

I'll answer my own question....

Nope. no adapter. right out of the Red... and a pretty damn nice looking lens!

It is pretty sweet to have this large of an image to work with, especially as we move into post after this weekend. The only issue is the workflow. It is killing me that we only have one system able to export footage. I just ordered a Dell XPS Quad Core that should solve that problem. It comes in on the fifth of April. I can then edit from home which is a must because of our new little baby girl (1 month old on thursday).

The Red is amazing. No adapters needed, Ridiculous DOF. The LCD is crisp and allows you to achieve critical focus, even on a shoulder mount setup. Despite what others have said, the camera is quiet. It is able to shift into silent mode when recording and then have the fan turn back on after recording stops, so sound is not an issue.

I also think the actors fed off the amazing images the camera was producing. When you can see immediate playback on a high def monitor and it looks like a movie already, you just act better. It is inspiring. I HIGHLY reccomend people to beg, buy, or borrow their way into using a red for a project. It is definitely an eye opening and schema changing experience. :beer:

[Sprocketboy]

I never mind the questions. I believe this is a community where the sharing of knowledge should come before secrets so we can all grow as filmmakers.

Much appreciated. I have access to a Red camera and would like to know the trials that others are going through before considering it for a feature. I'm most concerned with how much an Indy filmmaker can take advantage of the RED workflow during post on a minimum budget.

The fact you are using it on a short film will give you invaluable experience before using it on a larger scale project. My hat's off to you.

That 4K image is fantastic.

[Mark T. Aro]

Much appreciated. I have access to a Red camera and would like to know the trials that others are going through before considering it for a feature. I'm most concerned with how much an Indy filmmaker can take advantage of the RED workflow during post on a minimum budget.

The fact you are using it on a short film will give you invaluable experience before using it on a larger scale project. My hat's off to you.

That 4K image is fantastic.

It seems very workable sofar. My system specs are good, but not stellar and the footage plays beautifully on it. For speed it may be smart to edit a smaller version and then render a larger version for the final, but so far I really haven't seen the need for it. We are doing a lot of post work and I think the real slow down will be in After Effects. However when we get to that point, I may just bite off shots on a shot by shot basis.

As matt mentioned before, we are rendering to frames and work in TIFF sequences. That concept is probably foreign to most non-VFX experienced folks, but for those of us that have been doing this for a while, in the early days, that was the only real effective way to work with renders and animation... in sequences. That said, my mind is already wrapped around that concept and although it can be little daunting to work with that many files (if you are not organized), there are some advantages. When rendering large scenes, if you render to a movie file of some sort and your system crashes.. you lose the whole file and you don't usually know about it until the next morning when you check on your render. With frames you just pick up the render where it crashed instead of starting from scratch.

Again, when you are dealing with just editing and you are not doing post outside of your editing platform, the above concept doesn't necessarily apply, but once you go into Combustion, After Effect or anything along those lines, you may really benefit from working with frames. The key is to be organized and not to dump all of you frames from seperate renders into one directory, but make sure you put them into relative sub-directories.

Okay, enough of the tangent... in short, I think that the footage will be fairly workable.
:cheesy:

[Matt Sconce]

Just throwing the invite out there, but if any of you DVXusers wants to come to the last shoot this weekend (Friday 6pm-12ish) and (Saturday 6pm-12ish). You are welcome to show up. We could use your help and you would get to be on set and see the Red and our team in action. PM me if you want to come and need directions. RSVP if you are coming so we can expect you. Saturday is the day I would recommend as it is the day with action steadicam work.

[Sprocketboy]

Too bad I live on the other coast. I would be more than happy to give a helping hand.

Mark and Matt thanks for explaining much of the RED workflow. I have a fairly elaborate editing setup because by trade I've been involved in 3D animation/motion graphics since the early 1990s. Its a good part of my bread and butter. The RED workflow sounds like the perfect fit for me. I can see working with 72 to 90 TIFF frames for a 3 second EFX shot. Obviously, more shots makes the process more time consuming, but its a small price to pay to work in 4:4:4 color space.

Good luck this weekend.

[Matt Sconce]

Too bad I live on the other coast. I would be more than happy to give a helping hand.

Mark and Matt thanks for explaining much of the RED workflow. I have a fairly elaborate editing setup because by trade I've been involved in 3D animation/motion graphics since the early 1990s. Its a good part of my bread and butter. The RED workflow sounds like the perfect fit for me. I can see working with 72 to 90 TIFF frames for a 3 second EFX shot. Obviously, more shots makes the process more time consuming, but its a small price to pay to work in 4:4:4 color space.

Good luck this weekend.

Thanks! We will need it!:dankk2:

[Bryan]

I am super disappointed that we couldn't make it to the shoot last weekend, and now I'm back in LA. Boo! I worked with Ian on a 35mm feature a couple years ago and saw Justin at NAB last year. Would've been fun to catch up, and scope out the RED!

But I shall let Roque (from 'The Dumb') know about it.

Good luck guys!

[TimurCivan]

Oh sconce.... youre teasing me....................................

[Matt Sconce]

Oh sconce.... youre teasing me....................................


I know...I know....wish you could be here!:violent5: Things are progressing on the other front as well, so maybe you will be here soon. I have rockin Camera Operators and Acs to help you out with the next project with the Red! :happy:

[Matt Sconce]

Hooray! One of the Producers, Troy, has a Mac and kindly exported the audio for my selected takes. I got Red Cine to work on my home computer and now everything is in full swing. I am exporting Tiff frames and then I will import them into premiere CS3 where I will punch in the audio. I will then make a cut (after this weekend of course) and get it to Mike Aro for Sound. I will then lock a final cut and get it to Justin Durban. In the mean time, I will be working with Mark Aro on the visual effect shots. Awesome!



Hmmm...not bad...
I am watching a scene export right now in Red Cine and the 4k tiffs are only 48mb per frame. That is exactly double the 2k tiffs. I was told they would be exponentially larger but that is not the case. This is much more manageable than I thought before.

[Matt Sconce]

UPDATE:
WHAT WAS I THINKING??

48mb a FRAME! I just totally ran out of space after exporting a few scenes. Lets see....calculation time....
Two of the shots I was just exporting were 1500 frames. 1500x 48 =72000 /1000 = (72 Gigs for one scene)

Now, that was quite a long scene but holy crap! I will need at least a terabyte for this...most likely two. The space may be huge, but the quality is astounding me. I will keep you all updated as I encounter new challenges.

[Matt Sconce]

Blech! I just tried to get what I needed off of one of my externals (I cannot afford another at the moment) and wiped it clean. 300 more gigs of free space for the monster that is 4k tiffs. I might just go 2k tiffs if I do not have enough room.

[Ted Arabian]

48mb a FRAME! I just totally ran out of space after exporting a few scenes. Lets see....calculation time....
Two of the shots I was just exporting were 1500 frames. 1500x 48 =72000 /1000 = (72 Gigs for one scene)

:shocked: Whaaa----???? Whoa!

[Matt Sconce]

:shocked: Whaaa----???? Whoa!

I have re thought my post process, and despite the nerdiness in me that wants everything at 4k...my system can't handle it. I am going to have everything at 2k until my system can take the 4k workflow. :)

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Matt
Have a good shoot tonight and i hope you find all the hard drive space you need:)

[Ted Arabian]

I don't blame you. That is an amazing amount of information. I had no idea.

Happy shooting!

[Sprocketboy]

Matt - I suspected your workflow would be too slim for 4K material. That's why I barraged you and Mark with questions earlier in this thread. This also has me thinking about using RED in a 2K format unless I have the space and fast drives to handle 4K.

The good news is that you have 4K footage you can conform to your offline edit in the finishing stage. Look into XML export possibilities.

[Matt Sconce]

Matt - I suspected your workflow would be too slim for 4K material. That's why I barraged you and Mark with questions earlier in this thread. This also has me thinking about using RED in a 2K format unless I have the space and fast drives to handle 4K.

The good news is that you have 4K footage you can conform to your offline edit in the finishing stage. Look into XML export possibilities.

I would still shoot everything you can at 4k. You get prettier pictures when you downrez to 2k, and the RedCode is not that space intensive.

Matt
Have a good shoot tonight and i hope you find all the hard drive space you need:)

Hey thanks! I think we will have enough space. It will be an interesting shoot tonight. I am filming a single scene with one actor from several different angles with that diffusion in a can stuff for mood.

I don't blame you. That is an amazing amount of information. I had no idea.

Happy shooting!

Totally, but down rezzing to 2k is working gloriously! Woohoo!:laugh:

[Mark T. Aro]

Matt - I suspected your workflow would be too slim for 4K material. That's why I barraged you and Mark with questions earlier in this thread. This also has me thinking about using RED in a 2K format unless I have the space and fast drives to handle 4K.

The good news is that you have 4K footage you can conform to your offline edit in the finishing stage. Look into XML export possibilities.

Yep this is what we discussed last night. We are also giong to stay 2k unless we find that we are not getting enough detail for a shot or something like that and really don't this that this will apply, if it does it will most likely only be applicable to detailed or complicated VFX shot where more detail will make keying or compositing easier/better looking.

[Matt Sconce]

Yep this is what we discussed last night. We are also giong to stay 2k unless we find that we are not getting enough detail for a shot or something like that and really don't this that this will apply, if it does it will most likely only be applicable to detailed or complicated VFX shot where more detail will make keying or compositing easier/better looking.


So far the 2k is looking Sweet! It also renders much faster.

For the shoot tonight we will be without power and it is the first time on our city location. We are going to use two generators and if all comes down to it....car headlights "Gasp"! It probably won't come to that due to the awesome guys at Blare Media and their light rig. Yay for them! We took pictures of our actor's face makeup and I am glad we did as we have to re-create it tonight, and tomorrow. We originally used shoe polish but that tried to destroy our actors face with burning horror...:zombie_smiley:so we are going to see if we can replicate the look tonight with make-up. We shall see!

[Matty_g]

Matt - I suspected your workflow would be too slim for 4K material. That's why I barraged you and Mark with questions earlier in this thread. This also has me thinking about using RED in a 2K format unless I have the space and fast drives to handle 4K.


The workflow is super easy on a mac. Drop in your 1k, or 2k proxy files into fcp, switch the codec for the timeline to redcode and there is no r endering involved. If short on time just switch the codec to prores and render out. If you're wanting to conform to a higher res look into crimson which can take your fcp xlm and generate a pull list for redcine so you're only rendering what is in your final project.

[Larry R]

The workflow is super easy on a mac. Drop in your 1k, or 2k proxy files into fcp, switch the codec for the timeline to redcode and there is no r endering involved. If short on time just switch the codec to prores and render out. If you're wanting to conform to a higher res look into crimson which can take your fcp xlm and generate a pull list for redcine so you're only rendering what is in your final project.


Yea, what he said!



Ok, I admit it .. I have no idea what you're talking about :undecided ... guess it's a good thing I'm not doing the post workflow for this project :grin:

[Matt Sconce]

The workflow is super easy on a mac. Drop in your 1k, or 2k proxy files into fcp, switch the codec for the timeline to redcode and there is no r endering involved. If short on time just switch the codec to prores and render out. If you're wanting to conform to a higher res look into crimson which can take your fcp xlm and generate a pull list for redcine so you're only rendering what is in your final project.

That is sweet!:beer: I can't wait until the day the PC's workflow is so streamlined.:Drogar-Love(DBG):

[Matt Sconce]

Well, we are off to the final shoot! Friday and Satruday are the last and then we fully move into post. Here are some BTS stills from the first weekend to keep you company until I post again.:

Our green screen setup:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206748318.jpg


Mark and I watch intently...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206748421.jpg


What my wife got me for Christmas. She is THAT cool!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206748469.jpg


Setting up for a slowmo shot...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206748517.jpg


Watching the shot...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206748589.jpg






I might post tonight, but most likely it will be Saturday sometime. I am excited and a little nervous about these next two days. Until then...best of timefesting to you all!

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Best of luck to you. Everything looks great cant wait to see more

[Sprocketboy]

I'm sure all will go well. You guys are smart enough to make anything work.

[Sprocketboy]

"You guys..." How New York of me. :cheesy:

[Matt Sconce]

Some quick Untouched "compressed" grabs from last night's shoot!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206823103.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206823081.jpg


Tonight is the final Shoot! Wish us luck! Woohoo!

[img]

looking great.

[Matt Sconce]

looking great.

Some quick Untouched "compressed" grabs from last night's shoot!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206823103.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206823081.jpg


Tonight is the final Shoot! Wish us luck! Woohoo!


I bumped these in case some people missed em. It is 5:04 am and I just walked in the door from our final shoot. It was extremely challenging, but overall, I think things went well. I will now go sleep! Must SLEEP!! I have to wake up in 2 hours. :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

[sfoster]

Now if only I can get my script ready to shoot!

[Sprocketboy]

I bumped these in case some people missed em. It is 5:04 am and I just walked in the door from our final shoot. It was extremely challenging, but overall, I think things went well. I will now go sleep! Must SLEEP!! I have to wake up in 2 hours. :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

Don't catch a cold. You are becoming vulnerable.

[Matt Sconce]

Don't catch a cold. You are becoming vulnerable.


So true so true.


UPDATE: It seems I will do anything to make movies. Here is a horror story from Friday night.



:zombie_smiley::zombie_smiley::zombie_smiley::zomb ie_smiley::zombie_smiley:
I was walking throught the room of the abandoned school autoshop, when I heard something move in the darkness. Knowing this could very well be the home of some people, I was very cautious. I shifted my gaze quickly to the noise and discovered it was only pigeons roosting in the room. I sighed with relief and then...stepped in something squishy...I immediately knew that it was not pigeon poop...I looked down and to my horror found the reality of the situation...I had stepped in HUMAN poop. That is a first for me. We cleaned up the are and proceeded to film in it. Nice atmosphere I must say...besides the fecal elements...The End.:zombie_smiley:

[Heather]

:thumbsup: Yeah!!! I am so excited to see this film in its entirety! It's so nice to be back into acting as well. What a great film to be a part of!! and ewwwwwwww on the fecal elements post!! I'm your wife and I didn't hear about it until today!! ewwwwwwww.:shocked: okay...I'm done. No, seriously, working with Matt on this project has been fantastic. He is so professional and supports me as an actress, which made it a very nice environment to work in. and Yeah for my Daddy and for Kenn Arola! you both are awesome and So great to work with!! Here's to more and more in the future!

Heather:engel017:

[Mark T. Aro]

Well as you have read above, we finished shooting push early this morning. Like Matt I rolled it at near-dawn and had Sunday family commitments that had me up at 7 and not back home until 4 PM. Just got up from a couple hour nap and getting ready to head over to Jen's (our co-producer) to work on budgets for some of our projects... see USER FILMS topic for more...

In a few weeks we will start shooting on NETHERBORN.:thumbsup:

As far as PUSH goes... we had a GREAT shoot. Lot's of good people and lots of good stuff!!!! WHAT A TEAM!

[Matt Sconce]

Okay, I have a bit of rest now. I will be encoding the footage into tiffs tomorrw and hoep to start editing Tuesday.

[jasonthewho]

Everything looks awesome!

[sfoster]

Well the bruising is almost gone from my SUPER DANGEROUS STUNT in your film! :) That was a first for me. I love it! I can't wait to start shooting again!

[Matt Sconce]

It is time...For another.... "Drum Roll Please"...........Screengrab!
(Saturday Night)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1207022651.jpg

[Matty_g]

the guys greenscreened?

[Matt Sconce]

the guys greenscreened?


Nope. This is from Saturdays location shoot. Only a few moments of Push are greenscreened. The rest is actual locations in Fresno.:thumbsup:

[Mark Johnson]

I, too, found it fascinating that the guys in the background somehow appear to cast no shadows! However, in studying the motion blur and border outline of the foreground character I concluded that it had to be a single frame. That's a killer shot Matt. Is this steadi-cam or a dolly?

[Mark T. Aro]

I, too, found it fascinating that the guys in the background somehow appear to cast no shadows! However, in studying the motion blur and border outline of the foreground character I concluded that it had to be a single frame. That's a killer shot Matt. Is this steadi-cam or a dolly?

YEAH... those shots kick butt!!!

ALL STEDI-CAM!!!! Matt's dad ran the Stedi-cam for 8 hours at about 65 lbs. (we had to have a custom rig to mount the RED properly, so it put us a little heavier than the norm). MATT'S DAD ROCKS!!!!!:thumbup:

Yep! ALL STEDI-CAM BABY.... Running backwards on that shot too... He's a ninja... no really!

:)

[Mark T. Aro]

the guys greenscreened?

NO GREENSCREEN on this shot.... all of the shots in here are actual set. In all honesty, if they were I would've put a more blatant shadow on the ground, but alas it is all real!!!!

[Matt Sconce]

I, too, found it fascinating that the guys in the background somehow appear to cast no shadows! However, in studying the motion blur and border outline of the foreground character I concluded that it had to be a single frame. That's a killer shot Matt. Is this steadi-cam or a dolly?

Thanks Mark. I feel this movie is my best to date, and the people that have been involved in the process have made the movie the best it can be. The Dp's Justin and Ian McAleese were invaluable as was there RED ONE camera.
I am excited to post more Grabs soon.:engel017:

[Matt Sconce]

My computer comes in tomorrow so I can edit my footage!

[Troy Ruff]

Thanks for all your help getting me set up on here :)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/30869/1207201844.jpg

[Matt Sconce]

Bummer, I just found out my order was cancelled and my credit denied at Dell. I now have to figure out another way to edit my movie....

[Troy Ruff]

ah suck man, well let me know if you need to edit at my place? Im here for ya man


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/30869/1207201844.jpg

[Beat Takeshi]

Bummer, I just found out my order was cancelled and my credit denied at Dell. I now have to figure out another way to edit my movie....

That sucks but now that you shot, you can sell your RED and get a computer. :grin:

[Matt Sconce]

That sucks but now that you shot, you can sell your RED and get a computer. :grin:


haha...not my RED...and if it was....I would NEVER sell it until of course the RED TWO comes out.

[Matt Sconce]

ah suck man, well let me know if you need to edit at my place? Im here for ya man


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/30869/1207201844.jpg

Thanks dude. I ight need to. I will let you know. :kali:

[Edgen]

You could edit maybe 10... possible 12 seconds of your footage on my system.

According to the size of each frame of the REDbeast, that's about all i've got room for. :)

Happy Hunting!
/j

[Matt Sconce]

You could edit maybe 10... possible 12 seconds of your footage on my system.

According to the size of each frame of the REDbeast, that's about all i've got room for. :)

Happy Hunting!
/j


Haha! I will try to find a solution today. Justin, How much time do you need to score the movie? Is 2-3 weeks enough, or do you need a month?:Drogar-SunGlass(DBG

[Edgen]

Haha! I will try to find a solution today. Justin, How much time do you need to score the movie? Is 2-3 weeks enough, or do you need a month?:Drogar-SunGlass(DBG

I'm sure you'll find a solution with flying colors. I couldn't imagine editing a feature with the REDbeast.

score.. it's best if I could get it as soon as you get a locked edit. that would be ideal of course. I'll be out of town from April 25th-May20th so either sometime before then, or right afterwards. Timewise... I suppose it depends on how much music you need. I could probably knock out a first draft of the film if I worked a solid day on it. (which, with my new baby in my midsts, translates into about 3-5 nights) :)

/j

[Matt Sconce]

Sounds good. I will try to get a locked cut, within a week.

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I wish i lived close to you i would let you have free run of my studio.

[Matt Sconce]

I wish i lived close to you i would let you have free run of my studio.


I wish. Thanks for the thought!:thumbsup:

[Matt Sconce]

I was excited to get the computer today because it is by 27th Birthday.

[Larry R]

Happy Birthday

http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/110103/110103_birthday_cake_prv.gif

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:happy:Happy birthday.

[Troy Ruff]

Happy Birthday man :)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/30869/1207201844.jpg

[Mark T. Aro]

YES brother happy birthday! I was supposed to take you to lunch today, but since I am moving, we will have to do it next week. What do you say... Chipolte?

HAPPY 27th brother, see you next week.

[Matt Sconce]

ACK! I exported EVERY single frame of footage as a 16 bit Tiff file over the last week, and just realized Premiere Pro CS3 only reads 8 bit Tiff sequences. AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! :nads:


I could A. Covert the Tiffs to 8bit using a script in Photoshop or B Cut in After Effects then do audio in premiere once i have a lock down cut.

I am Opting for B...We will see how it goes......:cry::badputer:

[Mark T. Aro]

ACK! I exported EVERY single frame of footage as a 16 bit Tiff file over the last week, and just realized Premiere Pro CS3 only reads 8 bit Tiff sequences. AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! :nads:


I could A. Covert the Tiffs to 8bit using a script in Photoshop or B Cut in After Effects then do audio in premiere once i have a lock down cut.

I am Opting for B...We will see how it goes......:cry::badputer:

Hang in there brother! It will work out!

[hungrych]

HHHHHH
HHHHHH
HHHHHHappy B-day man!

[Ki-Ki]

You guys seem to like your Pepsi :P

And of course, happy belated birthday =) , hope you had a good one.

[Matt Sconce]

You guys seem to like your Pepsi :P

And of course, happy belated birthday =) , hope you had a good one.


So true...So true....Pepsi=Yummy Goodness. I will be hopefully finishing a rough cut this weekend then it is on to audio.:engel017: My footage is sitting at 500 Gigabytes at the moment.

[Matt Sconce]

Here are some more Grabs. Color tweaking still needs to be done to them.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1207349561.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1207349530.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1207349964.jpg


I will be editing Tomorrow morning! Wohoo!

[Larry R]

Awesome grabs :thumbsup:

Just playing around:
http://www.day7studios.com/personal/1207349964.jpg

I'm sure you have your own CC already in mind ... this wasn't to offer one, just playing around with the fancy grab :)

[Matt Sconce]

:engel017:

[Brandon Rice]

Some cool looking stuff Matt. Can't wait to see your film.

[Sprocketboy]

It looks very good.

[Matt Sconce]

It looks very good.

Some cool looking stuff Matt. Can't wait to see your film.

Thanks! It is a bear to edit at the moment, but hopefully it will be cut soon.:violent5:

[Matt Sconce]

I almost have my cut locked! I will have it locked soon and then it is off to Sound.

[Matty_g]

http://www.mushyproductions.com/ccpush.jpg

playing around when i should be working.

[Matt Sconce]

Cool Matty!

[Sprocketboy]

How are you cutting your short? In After Effects? Isn't that limiting? Just wondering if you have developed a technique under constraints RED created.

[Matt Sconce]

If I had exported the tiffs in 8 bit instead of 16 bit, I could have editied in Adobe Premeire Pro CS3. I am cutting in After Effects now to keep the 16 bit tiffs, although it is time consuming. It actually is not that limiting, it just takes some tricks to see true timing. It is a much longer process. If it does not go well, I will convert all my tiffs to 8 bit and edit in premiere.

[Sprocketboy]

If I had exported the tiffs in 8 bit instead of 16 bit, I could have editied in Adobe Premeire Pro CS3. I am cutting in After Effects now to keep the 16 bit tiffs, although it is time consuming. It actually is not that limiting, it just takes some tricks to see true timing. It is a much longer process. If it does not go well, I will convert all my tiffs to 8 bit and edit in premiere.

You are fortunate to have started earlier in the fest. You have the luxury to discover and experiment before the deadline. I bet the next version of Premiere will have 16bit editing to match AE.

[Matt Sconce]

It better! Haha.


Here is my workflow:

-I am Exporting 16 bit 2k tiffs out of Red Cine.

-I am then importing them as Tiff sequences into AE CS3.

-I am cutting and pacing in AE and then exporting to small wmvs where I review and see any changes I want to make.

-I then make the changes.

-Since the cips are already in after effects, the effects will be done at this stage although a cut will be sent out pre-effects for Sound and Score. Sound will have to be retouched after some key effects are done.

-I will then render out uncompressed AVI to Premiere Pro CS3 where I will combine the audio and the score.

-Finally, I will export to uncompressed Quicktime and open in Quicktime Pro where I will convert to the H.264 of the Fest.


Whew! Tedious, long, but beautiful end results...hopefully!

[Gary Sconce]

It better! Haha.


Here is my workflow:

-I am Exporting 16 bit 2k tiffs out of Red Cine.

-I am then importing them as Tiff sequences into AE CS3.

-I am cutting and pacing in AE and then exporting to small wmvs where I review and see any changes I want to make.

-I then make the changes.

-Since the cips are already in after effects, the effects will be done at this stage although a cut will be sent out pre-effects for Sound and Score. Sound will have to be retouched after some key effects are done.

-I will then render out uncompressed AVI to Premiere Pro CS3 where I will combine the audio and the score.

-Finally, I will export to uncompressed Quicktime and open in Quicktime Pro where I will convert to the H.264 of the Fest.


Whew! Tedious, long, but beautiful end results...hopefully!

You work so hard! I was lucky enough to see some of the rough cut and it is coming along really well. :thumbsup: BTW, do you know what sleep is?

[Gary Sconce]

The shoot went wonderfully. I second the fact that the guys from Blare Media were amazing. The Red Camera perfomred gloriously and brought a freedom to help me express exactly what I wanted in this first shoot. Thank you to everyone who helped and put in the hours! Mark, of course, I couldn't have done it with out you. You Rock! I look forward to Netherborn Shoots!

Here are some Behind the scenes photos!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10327/1206335896.jpg

I posted this again to explain how well the steady cam worked. I carried it off and on for over 8 hours all night long and the unit performed flawlessly. I ran forward, backwards and sideways with the unit. Nice job on the design. The Red camera set up was moderately heavy, and added to the weight of a mild steel camera/follow focus mount I fabricated for the shoot. If anyone is running a Red camera in the future, have two camera mounts, one for the Red camera on the mounting plate and another under the mounting plate. Run the steady cam gimbal all the way up, and drop the base plate down to around 30 inches below the camera set up. We were unable to mount the Red camera battery pack down on the base of the rig as one should due to the Red battery cable being too short to reach down there. We had to mount it on top and this caused a real dastardly rise in the center of gravity of the whole rig. To counter this we used an 18 inch wide adjustable dumb bell with two 2.5 lb weights set perpendicular to the operator to give the set horizontal inertia. That addition also lowered the center of gravity for the whole unit to where it became very smooth. The Red had enough weight on top of the steady cam unit that it tended to oscillate horizontally back and forth slightly until we added the lengthened extensions for the lateral stability to the base of the rig. If the Red came with the longer battery cable we could have saved nearly 8 pounds off the unit. That adds up through an 8 hour active action steady cam shoot!

I would recommend using the Glidecam V-20 and not the V-16 for a Red camera steady cam set up, as the extra spring tension would have been a plus. We ran the springs all the way tightened and it was still slightly heavy for the well-built unit. Also, tighten the waist belt to where you can hardly stand it, but keep the center adjustments on the vest only moderately tight. This tends to place the weight on your legs and gives you greater longevity on the rig when you have to keep shooting many takes with great physical exertion. :happy:

[Larry R]

Playing again :)

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img1_enhancecool.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img1_plain.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img1_coolcast.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img1_blueshade.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img1_oldcountry.jpg

[Larry R]

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_artistic02.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_artistic02_bluecrush.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_goldcrush_enhancecool.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_journey_enhancecool_bluecrush.jpg


Ok, I'm done now ... I really should get back to work :)


Looking forward to the finished film :thumbsup:

[Gary Sconce]

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_artistic02.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_artistic02_bluecrush.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_goldcrush_enhancecool.jpg

http://www.day7studios.com/samples/img3_journey_enhancecool_bluecrush.jpg


Ok, I'm done now ... I really should get back to work :)


Looking forward to the finished film :thumbsup:

Third one down is very good. The tone conveys a somewhat hopeless feel... Nice.:grin:

[Matt Sconce]

UPDATE:

Whew! Some effects shots are done with many more to go. The After Effects workflow is working nicely, because all of the clips are already in there for FX work.

[Dustin R. Rogan]

jealous that you have shot already....and even more jealous of the power of the red....(heavy sigh)

looking good.

Dustin

[Mark T. Aro]

jealous that you have shot already....and even more jealous of the power of the red....(heavy sigh)

looking good.

Dustin

Me too! I hope he is not to tired to work on Netherborn with me!:Drogar-Kriz(DBG):

[Gary Sconce]

UPDATE:

Whew! Some effects shots are done with many more to go. The After Effects workflow is working nicely, because all of the clips are already in there for FX work.

Ooooooooooo! I liked the shot you showed me last night. Very nice! I have never seen that effect in a movie before. Kenn is sure agile.:D

[Gary Sconce]

Me too! I hope he is not to tired to work on Netherborn with me!:Drogar-Kriz(DBG):

I'll help you Mark. You are too important to be rejected.:thumbsup:

[Mark T. Aro]

I'll help you Mark. You are too important to be rejected.:thumbsup:

AW SHUCKS! Thanks Gary!

I have to build some wire work rigs and I have a couple of designs floating around in my head for a gimble/sled device... once I get it worked out, do you think you can help me build it?

[Gary Sconce]

AW SHUCKS! Thanks Gary!

I have to build some wire work rigs and I have a couple of designs floating around in my head for a gimble/sled device... once I get it worked out, do you think you can help me build it?


Of course! Mr. fabricator to the rescue. Have diabolical mind/cutter/welder - will travel. Seriously, I have ideas on your wire rig too. We have to talk. You will have to spell out to me what type of movement you need your actor/set to exactly do and we will build the device to perform the task.

1 day service! :D

[Geoff_R]

UPDATE:

Whew! Some effects shots are done with many more to go. The After Effects workflow is working nicely, because all of the clips are already in there for FX work.
Glad your post workflow isn't causing you to go crazy and go into Grand Theft Auto mode...red footage has and still is the bane of my existence.

[Matty_g]

crimson hasn't helped out geoff?

[Geoff_R]

crimson hasn't helped out geoff?
I'm going to try it out soon. Right now I don't want to change anything in my FCP project until I wrap up post on this latest project. Should be a few more days and then I can experiment but I've heard good things. Also, sorry I never called you back; with Brandons shoot and all this post work piling up from other projects, things were a little crazy the past two weeks.

[Gary Sconce]

AW SHUCKS! Thanks Gary!

I have to build some wire work rigs and I have a couple of designs floating around in my head for a gimble/sled device... once I get it worked out, do you think you can help me build it?

With all that floats around in your head what's a few more designs...Hmmmmm?

What are you thinking with gimble/sled needs? (Chomping at the bit here...)

BTW, added more parts to the pile that will become the "Hyper-cam" today.

[Mark T. Aro]

With all that floats around in your head what's a few more designs...Hmmmmm?

What are you thinking with gimble/sled needs? (Chomping at the bit here...)

BTW, added more parts to the pile that will become the "Hyper-cam" today.

Can't wait to see it...

As far as the sled thing, I will make a 3D mock-up so we can see it with a camera in the computer. Once I have a working model I will draw up some basic plans and then you can make practical sense of them. How does that sound? Should be next week some time. Still working on first pass of Fish Bomb...