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Matt Sconce
06-18-2008, 10:12 AM
Spiftabuluous
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 10:13 AM
WOW. Seems like I need to add another name to the list of acting coaches for the great acting class hunt... (I can't seem to find a suitable smiley for this!)
So where's the workshop located?
Tommy, it's the Vince Chase Acting Workshop: http://www.vincentchaseworkshop.com/
Morgan says he has some space available in his weekend classes if you are interested.
Tom Marshall
06-18-2008, 10:14 AM
Thanks Mark!
Dustin R. Rogan
06-18-2008, 10:26 AM
its like the scene from American Pie in my apartment over here (referring to the scene when he is about to score with the foreign chick)...
MattinSTL
06-18-2008, 10:31 AM
I'm wondering how you guys dealt with the back EMF on the plasma welder? Is that one of the new Stanley Dynamics units with alternating pulse technology? If it is you better be careful... one of my pals over in the Delta Quadrant had one of those jam up on the recoil and accidentally welded his boot to the hull.
In all the other units I've used so far it's really hard to maintain position on the MMU relative to the ship... because the energy beam wants to push me (and the ship) away from each other... and then of course my welds get sloppy.
Please advise... I don't want to end my tour yet, but my commander said the next time we lose a rear view mirror it's my ass.
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 10:39 AM
I'm wondering how you guys dealt with the back EMF on the plasma welder? Is that one of the new Stanley Dynamics units with alternating pulse technology?
This is the older Stanley JDS408 unit (affectionately known as the "stanley steamer" by most of the crew. We wouldn't use that newfangled alternating pulse crap for anything. As people say, "Yeah, our Stanley may be old, crotchety and rather repulsive in appearance, but at least it puts in a full days work - sort of."
MattinSTL
06-18-2008, 10:45 AM
I know that some of the Stanley units can be finicky... I'm glad your's is holding up well... in the right hands it'll get the job done.
It looks like you're getting a stanley steamer in Rogan's banner pic...?
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 11:02 AM
Yeah that old stanley in his banner doesn't work for squat anymore. It just sits around and makes noise. We've learned to just ignore it.
Tom Marshall
06-18-2008, 11:05 AM
I know that some of the Stanley units can be finicky... I'm glad your's is holding up well... in the right hands it'll get the job done.
You can always pick up replacement parts for those things at Harbor Freight...
Danielleus
06-18-2008, 12:39 PM
Good luck. Can't wait. However, I just want you to know that my expectations are high. And I have no intention of being let down. And, like I just mentioned, can't wait.
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 01:04 PM
Good luck. Can't wait. However, I just want you to know that my expectations are high. And I have no intention of being let down. And, like I just mentioned, can't wait.
We delight in elevating expectations and then dashing them to earth to leave a miasma of cursing in their wake. Enjoy!
Heather
06-18-2008, 01:38 PM
How did you find your actress?
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 01:57 PM
How did you find your actress?
I believe we originally found Ana's reel on NowCasting.com when our lead actress, Julie Horner, for Where The Heart Lies got snowed in on the East Coast. We had one day to replace Julie and did not have time to do auditions. Thus, we reviewed reels available on NowCasting.com looking for an actress who we could have confidence in without a reading. Ana had a very strong reel with guest starring performances in CSI Miami, CSI New York, Two and a Half Men and Vegas. We contacted her agent and got him the script and sent some footage from previous projects so that she knew our level of production quality. Fortunately for us, she liked the script and agreed to do Where The Heart Lies on such short notice. The shoot was such a good experience for her that she told us she'd be happy to work with us again and so we wrote the role in O2 for her and called her directly (one of the nice advantages when you establish a relationship with an actor is being able to book them directly without having to work through their agent).
Gord.T
06-18-2008, 01:59 PM
I'm wondering how you guys dealt with the back EMF on the plasma welder? ... one of my pals over in the Delta Quadrant had one of those jam up on the recoil and accidentally welded his boot to the hull.
... because the energy beam wants to push me (and the ship) away from each other... and then of course my welds get sloppy.
Please advise...
I think I can field this one.
The problem is twofold. Let's have a look, shall we?
We (the 365th) have found by experimenting that it helps to incorporate a thin lead inner suit lining when welding. This deflects the majority of EMF and improves stabilty in a zero gravity enviroment.
And before every mission, we also run a lead spray 'pre-coat' on sensitive areas of the ship. While this helps with the back EMF, it is primarily used to guard against sun flare EMFs.
Finally, always use a conductive tether so that your body is at the same Electro Magenetic Potential and the ships surface. That eliminates static buildup between you and the ship. If that EMF passes over the engine cables, it can induce a current into the wires and can actually cause an explosion. We thank Jimmy (rest in peace you crazy booger) for that tip.
Hope that helps.
(Excuse me for jumping in Mark, I'm lulling.)
Blaine
06-18-2008, 02:10 PM
I cannot get this image of Buscemi answering this highly technical question out of my head...and it's freakin' me out...:shocked:
Brandon Rice
06-18-2008, 02:12 PM
I cannot get this image of Buscemi answering this highly technical question out of my head...and it's freakin' me out...:shocked:
I have to admit, I hear the voice... and it is creepy....
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 02:13 PM
I want to take a moment to urge everyone to put NO AIR at the top of your viewing list. If you have time to see only one film, please make it NO AIR.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/26393/1204388658.jpg
I agree Rogan. Thanks for that candid endorsement.
Dustin R. Rogan
06-18-2008, 02:48 PM
I have to say I'm not watching anything until I get me my Rogan fix of the year! TDRP is first on my list, I wouldn't even bother watching O2...its fancy, now Rogan, he's got heart. Much like that Rudy guy from Notre Dame fame! Little Guy with a Big Heart. Who's with me? ROGAN ROGAN ROGAN!!!
Thanks The Dude!
Rogan
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 02:51 PM
Rogan rocks. Rogan rules. Rogan rips. Rogan rolls.
Dustin R. Rogan
06-18-2008, 02:52 PM
Rogan rocks. Rogan rules. Rogan rips. Rogan rolls.
is that a fat joke!
:grin:
Rogan
Gord.T
06-18-2008, 02:54 PM
I have to admit, I hear the voice... and it is creepy....
My voice:
lol, I think I slipped out of character for a moment,hahaha.
Until this party gets serious, (bear with me Mark, no pun intened) I'll try and stay in Steve's character...
Cmon man...I've been sitting up here in this snow covered shithole for 3 months and you can't send me something in the way of beer? Gimme a fkn break man.
Blaine
06-18-2008, 03:00 PM
Cmon man...I've been sitting up here in this snow covered shi*hole for 3 months and you can't send me something in the way of beer? Gimme a fkn break man.That's better...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20191/1164293288.jpg
btw...they're scratch and sniff.
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 03:12 PM
is that a fat joke!
:grin:
Rogan
Rogan you look buff in TJRP. People have no idea what they are in for.
Dustin R. Rogan
06-18-2008, 03:14 PM
Rogan you look buff in TJRP. People have no idea what they are in for.
TJRP...someone ripped me off...
lol thanks though!
use your influence and get the movies up!!!
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 03:17 PM
Hey Raptor,
If you had been up early you would have seen a whole series of images I posted of your 3D work. Really cool stuff. However, upon reflection we decided we should let people experience the amazement upon seeing the film for the first time. After the entries are up and viewed we will repost the original concept drawings and the progress of your work.
For now, though, please crawl back in your shed with those beers. We'll call you when we need you.
Matt Sconce
06-18-2008, 03:30 PM
I saw them...the stills were Niiiice. Good job!
Blaine
06-18-2008, 03:32 PM
Yeah, that was some nice work, Raptor. :beer:
Gord.T
06-18-2008, 03:54 PM
I caught the stills too Mark. Thanks for pulling as that was prep work. :)
Yeah, hey, I can take a hint. Fine. Bye. See ya. I, for one, Like bears.
//better put the smiley on that. ;)
Tom Marshall
06-18-2008, 04:46 PM
I, for one, Like bears.
Yeah... um... bears are alright in my book... :huh:
Dustin R. Rogan
06-18-2008, 04:50 PM
except for the Baylor variety...stupid college town...
http://www.baylor.edu/content/imglib/34723.jpg
Tom Marshall
06-18-2008, 04:51 PM
That blonde in the middle of the front row is pretty cute...
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 04:52 PM
Well, life is back to semi-normal here at the monster shack. Tim has finally been able to get back to finalizing edits on a couple music videos. Most notably, we are close to final on the Vienna Teng video for "Gravity." Every time I see those images on the editing screen I am awestruck by the cinematography Steven Dempsey (Disjecta) achieved. It all seems almost dream-like and a little crazy to be up on Whidbey Island, Washington in the winter dragging a behemoth of a piano to the ocean shore expecting the weather to hold. Any number of small outcomes would have doomed that whole shoot, but somehow the chain of events held together. I don't know that I'd ever roll those dice again, but it certainly was a gamble that paid off for us.
http://www.archivisuals.com/ViennaStill01.jpg
http://www.archivisuals.com/ViennaStill02.jpg
http://www.archivisuals.com/ViennaStill05.jpg
http://www.archivisuals.com/ViennaStill06.jpg
Tom Marshall
06-18-2008, 04:53 PM
Disjecta's got skillz..........
ConspiracyPenguin
06-18-2008, 05:54 PM
I have to admit, I hear the voice... and it is creepy....
Hahaha! Right here! I can't stop, it just echoes in my head! :grin:
That blonde in the middle of the front row is pretty cute...
I was thinking the same thing...
Mike Insane
06-18-2008, 07:04 PM
Beautiful shots. Did I miss something? Is "gravity" available for download somewhere?
Gord.T
06-18-2008, 07:13 PM
Fk this. Im going to hang out with Mark Harris and Beat Takeshi (Aram). Those NYC boys know how to party. MMMmmmm, until THEY boot my ass out too.
FTW.
//Fk yas all. Hope yall lose. ///jk.
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 07:17 PM
Beautiful shots. Did I miss something? Is "gravity" available for download somewhere?
Mike,
Gravity is one of Vienna Teng's most popular songs from her first album. You can download it from her site here:
http://audio.viennateng.com/waking/viennateng-gravity.mp3
Although she has an international following and has made appearances on Letterman, NPR and other broadcasts, Vienna has never made a music video. We knew that Vienna had long wanted to do a video for "Gravity" so we shot some spec footage, pitched the concept to her label and got the project. We shot up in Oregon and Washington State and are finally close to finishing the final edit. If the video is received well we hope to be hired to shoot another one for her upcoming album (which I can tell you is going to be amazing based on the pieces she performed for us one evening during the shoot on Whidbey Island).
Thanks for asking. Vienna is quite simply one of the most talented and genuinely personable people I've ever met.
Mark T. Aro
06-18-2008, 07:33 PM
Wow! That is some beautiful work! I hadn't heard her stuff... Very nice as well. Can't wait to see the finished thing.
Mike Insane
06-18-2008, 07:35 PM
Hmm , I can't get to the link here at work. I'll have to check it out at home. I'll have to spread the word on her. I'm sure tons of my friends would love a new sound to listen to.
Kyle Stebbins
06-18-2008, 07:45 PM
Link doesn't work - though I do have the song on my computer. It's breathtaking.
Love the sci-fi banter... Getty is the man.
MattinSTL
06-18-2008, 08:00 PM
Moo-vee!
MOO-VEE!
MOO-VEE!
MOO-VEE!
MOO-VEE!
Captain I canna' wait no longer! The hull is gonna' collapse unda' this presh-uh!
Beat Takeshi
06-18-2008, 08:07 PM
Fk this. Im going to hang out with Mark Harris and Beat Takeshi (Aram). Those NYC boys know how to party. MMMmmmm, until THEY boot my ass out too.
FTW.
//Fk yas all. Hope yall lose. ///jk.
When you get here the party will be in your mouth...
and everyone is cumming. LOL. JK. That was like an 80s joke.
Actually the parties may be getting much better...
check out the last post...
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=107683
Kyle Stebbins
06-18-2008, 08:09 PM
Matt -- you live close.
LET'S HAVE A TIMEFEST PARTY
Mark Johnson
06-18-2008, 08:46 PM
Not sure why that link stopped working. However, if you want to hear "Gravity" just go to her website: www.viennateng.com and click the tab "Listen" where you'll find "Gravity" under the "Waking Hour" album.
Gord.T
06-18-2008, 09:27 PM
When you get here the party will be in your mouth...
and everyone is cumming. LOL. JK. That was like an 80s joke.
Actually the parties may be getting much better...
check out the last post...
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=107683
Fk This. I'm going to Simons House. Those Germans know how to party.
After that I'm off to Anhars house, those brits know how to party.
Then it's Spideys house, those asians know how to party,
Ah , fk it. Where's my Xbox?
ConspiracyPenguin
06-18-2008, 10:19 PM
Fk This. I'm going to Simons House. Those Germans know how to party.
After that I'm off to Anhars house, those brits know how to party.
Then it's Spideys house, those asians know how to party,
Ah , fk it. Where's my Xbox?
I have an XBOX in my thread!
EDIT: Just listened to Gravity, it is excellent. I had never heard of her before, but trust me I won't forget now. Best of luck on the music video shoots!
Kyle Stebbins
06-19-2008, 01:56 AM
180 pages! CONGRATS!!
(Though it certainly doesn't yet match up to TTN -- I assume that will soon change once the reviews begin pouring in...)
Simon Höfer
06-19-2008, 04:42 AM
I want to take a moment to urge everyone to put NO AIR at the top of your viewing list. If you have time to see only one film, please make it NO AIR.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/26393/1204388658.jpg
I agree Rogan. Thanks for that candid endorsement.
Thank you Rogan, for those kind words :D
Fk This. I'm going to Simons House. Those Germans know how to party.
Here ya go! I'll have a beer on this one :beer:
Mark Johnson
06-19-2008, 09:39 AM
Looks like the films will debut today guys. Unfortunately, I have to be up in San Francisco on a project so I'll have to pull down films on my own tonight with Bullis.
Best of luck to everyone. Let's hope these marvelous German filmmakers can live up to the hype they have generated. Frankly, expectations are so high that I'm a little bit worried, but Simon, Frank and Susanne seem to know what they are doing as they have relentlessly promoted their films. Let the viewing begin!
Dustin R. Rogan
06-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Looks like the films will debut today guys. Unfortunately, I have to be up in San Francisco counting my money that I owe Dustin Rogan, for allowing me into his movie!
The Dude, I told you freshily unmarked bills. Gahh, so hard to find a descent actor these days...
hehe
Rogan
sfoster
06-19-2008, 09:53 AM
I'm all for a timefest party! I say we load up and carpool down for it! We'll split the cost of Gas. Lets see, *types on a calculator* that will be $80 each, Plus $10 each for the food and drinks we'll have to bring!
sfoster
06-19-2008, 09:54 AM
The Dude, I told you freshily unmarked bills. Gahh, so hard to find a descent actor these days...
hehe
Rogan
I'm a decent actor. At least. . . I'm dressed.
Dustin R. Rogan
06-19-2008, 09:57 AM
I'm a decent actor. At least. . . I'm dressed.
Gulp!...ummm....
(looks left, then right. Then quickly hits submit....
:D
Blaine
06-19-2008, 10:23 AM
Okay, what's the latest on the download status...are we going to have movies sometime today? :huh:
disjecta
06-19-2008, 10:25 AM
Just settle down, Blaine....just settle down.
Blaine
06-19-2008, 10:32 AM
Who woke the crazy Irishman up? :cheesy:
Now, I'm going to have to get a Guinness.
disjecta
06-19-2008, 10:48 AM
Don't make me stop this car.
Barry_Green
06-19-2008, 10:55 AM
Okay, what's the latest on the download status...are we going to have movies sometime today? :huh:
Barring any unforeseen technical difficulties...
YES.
Blaine
06-19-2008, 11:01 AM
Barring any unforeseen technical difficulties...
YES.Cool :cool:
sfoster
06-19-2008, 11:13 AM
unforeseen technical difficulties
Hey that would make a good title to a film.
sfoster
06-19-2008, 11:13 AM
Or maybe that should be the theme to the next fest!
Dustin R. Rogan
06-19-2008, 11:22 AM
That is the theme of my movie!!
Jack Daniel Stanley
06-19-2008, 12:02 PM
... unforeseen technical difficulties...
...
Hey that would make a good title to a film.
The great thing about that title is that it would be a get out of jail free card for everytime the focus is soft, the lavs have clothing noise, the boom's in the shot, the dolly shakes, etc. It would all be part of your genius / vision. :)
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-19-2008, 12:49 PM
Very cool flick, guys! You really outdid yourselves.
Cheers!
Mike
Slimothy
06-19-2008, 12:58 PM
Viewing is now open, we really appreciate everybody who worked on this and helped us make this film. Dvxuser rocks and I guess the party starts now.
sfoster
06-19-2008, 01:01 PM
Nice Film! I Loved It!
Brandon Rice
06-19-2008, 01:07 PM
Monsters... wonderful job on this... you guys actually exceeded my expectations on this one...
Nice work!
More detailed comments and such later on... :)
Blaine
06-19-2008, 01:11 PM
You can download O2 here (http://www.dvxfest.com/timefest/index.php?id=1000119)...
Gohanto
06-19-2008, 01:18 PM
Damn, that was great. Probably the most professional/highest production quality piece I've seen on any of the fests so far.
Tomas Riuka
06-19-2008, 01:23 PM
i haven't seen your movie yet, guys, but i'm sure i will fall into depresion, that i still have to grow lots of year forward to make a movie like yours! judging by the coments... i really white envy you! and it was your love fest movie, which pushed me towards creating something and striving for the best!! thanks guys!
bosindy
06-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Blew me away guys, the rough cut I saw was great, now the opening sequence, visual affects, sound design and Justin score make it incredible. I am really happy to have been given the chance to contributed in some small way. Congrats.
Jim
Mattykins
06-19-2008, 01:53 PM
My second review of the day:
First Pass:
Opening shot was great. Who modeled the ship? Looked amazing. And that set is to die for. Interesting to see where you snagged that from. And wow. Beautifully lit. I loved the shooting. It was fantastic.
But man, those renders look amazing. That ship was great. But I still can't believe how great that set looks.
Mark and Monster guys - really, this was amazing. It was shot so well. The extra money to get a ACS was well worth it. And man oh man, Just came to the 4:00 mark and I even flinched. While typing this review.
But really, I think this is one of the best shot things I've seen. And that ending was so jarring. Not what I expected at all. It was beautiful. And so sad.
The score as well was amazing. All in all, excellent. I don't think I have any negative complaint. Aside from the XCU of the needle.
Cheers mate! A job well done.
Jack Daniel Stanley
06-19-2008, 02:26 PM
... It was shot so well. The extra money to get a ACS was well worth it ...
Just a clarification - a deal was worked out with the A.S.C. cinematographer where it was not necessary for Fat Monster to pay him for happily signing on.
The DP teaches at a program where wounded marines are trained for crew positions and part of the his incentive was FM's eagerness and commitment to create crew opportunities for those individuals on the set.
The rest of the deal was that he was paid by a third party to give interviews documenting his lighting process on the shoot.
So FM got him by throwing brains and heart at the situation rather than money. Same more or less goes for the set. There were more roses than dollars invovled in obtaining it.
Mattykins
06-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Oh, I had nothing against it mate. I type these things as I watch. Sometimes I do a second pass. I didn't follow the entire thing. So I defaulted to saying money. Money or flowers. Having the ASC was amazing. No negative tones here. Just sheer amazement.
Shawn Philip Nelson
06-19-2008, 02:32 PM
I see, two sides to the coin. You must have missed the post early in this thread where Barry just point blank states he paid the DP.
Anyways, onto the film. I'll post a more thorough review after 2 or 3 viewings, but after one viewing, holy crap! Go straight to feature, do not pass go, do not collect $200 :-)
Beat Takeshi
06-19-2008, 02:35 PM
Doh!!
Jeff Anderson
06-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Just a clarification - a deal was worked out with the A.S.C. cinematographer where it was not necessary for Fat Monster to pay him for happily signing on.
The DP teaches at a program where wounded marines are trained for crew positions and part of the his incentive was FM's eagerness and commitment to create crew opportunities for those individuals on the set.
The rest of the deal was that he was paid by a third party to give interviews documenting his lighting process on the shoot.
So FM got him by throwing brains and heart at the situation rather than money. Same more or less goes for the set. There were more roses than dollars invovled in obtaining it.
interviews documenting his lighting eh? like ones that could be in a dvxuser dvd? About lighting?
Jack Daniel Stanley
06-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Oh, I had nothing against it mate. I type these things as I watch. Sometimes I do a second pass. I didn't follow the entire thing. So I defaulted to saying money. Money or flowers. Having the ASC was amazing. No negative tones here. Just sheer amazement.
I didn't take it as negative at all, but thanks for taking the time to clarify where you were coming from nonetheless. On my end, just clarifying since there's lots of interest and speculation on how FM pulled this off :beer:
interviews documenting his lighting eh? like ones that could be in a dvxuser dvd? About lighting?
Hey cool idea! We should do one of those :)
Beat Takeshi
06-19-2008, 02:44 PM
DAYUM that was hot. Everything was like it was hyped to be. Big Kudos on your joint homies. The only little glitch was when he let her get close. If I thought I knew what he knew I wouldn't have let her get anywhere near me.
Great movie guys. Everyone will be crazy proud to have worked on this.
Mattykins
06-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Shawn, I think the 200 dollars would be a little helpful. Might buy some more food for the shoot. Or a caribou?
I say do not go past go, but still collect the 200 dollars. :)
Blaine
06-19-2008, 02:48 PM
Doh!!I love this review, Aram...:love4:
At some point in the future I will use it myself...:thumbsup:
Beat Takeshi
06-19-2008, 02:49 PM
Yeah man. It says everything in a Homer kind of way and it was better than WTF!
justin ewart
06-19-2008, 03:26 PM
Ok wow. This is by far my favorite so far of what I've watched. Great production values, excellent sound, solid acting. Will come back to comment more in detail later! Great job guys!
Tom Shortridge
06-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Okay, maybe I'm crazy, but the set felt so much like Firefly, I was having wicked deja vu.
That said, amazing job. All around. Story, lighting, sound, camerawork, production design, acting, editing... Phenomenal.
Matty_g
06-19-2008, 03:32 PM
I believe at least one episode of firefly was filmed on the set.
Existentialist
06-19-2008, 03:44 PM
Great short! I was expecting the Alien to jump out anytime soon and slap people around a bit.. but from the beginning you can see the amaaaaazing production value. Looks like it was shot on film, without a doubt.
One little critique: I didn't feel like there was enough conflict to get me to empathize, sympathize, hate, cheer for, etc. But maybe that wasn't your goal, as much as just telling the story as it was told.
Great job!
Brandon Rice
06-19-2008, 04:11 PM
Justin... incredible score!
:thumbsup:
Dustin R. Rogan
06-19-2008, 04:14 PM
Hmm...ok I'm like most people (at least I think this way) but when I go to the Movies, and watch a epic movie. I leave with an experience. This fellas was an experience!!! I actually felt I was on the ship with them. Epic, The Dude (and crew) Just EPIC!!!
SPOILERS!!
If i point out one thing, maybe more of a "conflict". as in, maybe she refuses at first, and the husband does more persuading. But none the less, I wasn't expecting that ending for shizzle.
EPIC!!!
-Rogan
Drew Ott
06-19-2008, 04:25 PM
Production value was obviously amazing. Looked fantastic. Loved the light coming down through the ceiling when she's laying on the bed.
The story was great too. I got goosebumps at the end (is this normal?) which means it got to me. Great work. Well worth the hype.
ZFarms Productions
06-19-2008, 04:32 PM
great job guys. lighting, directing, cinematography, editing. everything was spot on. two thumbs up!
Mark T. Aro
06-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Guys! BEAUTIFUL film. I was really impressed with you actors as well.
Nicely done! How much of the interior was set?
Simon Höfer
06-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Awesome guys!!!!
Watched it first and my only review today. Going to bed now and I will sleep well :)
Matty_g
06-19-2008, 04:41 PM
How much of the interior was set?
All of the interiors were set.
Mark T. Aro
06-19-2008, 04:51 PM
I am very jealous... It really made the difference!
Slimothy
06-19-2008, 05:09 PM
Thank you to everyone who has left comments so far. We're really happy that you guys are enjoying it. Mark is in San Jose and I am heading over to Luis and Matty's house in a bit to watch the films and I'll be around to comment later one tonight.
Again, thanks for watching and commenting.
Erik Olson
06-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Nice work gentlemen (and at least one lady). Top marks all round.
e
Gohanto
06-19-2008, 05:16 PM
I believe at least one episode of firefly was filmed on the set.
That would explain why I thought it looked at least a little familiar.
HorseFilms
06-19-2008, 05:29 PM
Holy shit! I don't know what to say. Everything was top notch. An absolutely amazing achievement for everyone involved. I salute you.:beer::beer::beer:
jpsheets
06-19-2008, 05:33 PM
Geez, great film. That Red makes it look so much like film. That easily could be on the Sci Fi channel. Where did you film on that set? Unbelievable. You guys really raised the bar.
cheers,
JP
Kyle Stebbins
06-19-2008, 05:39 PM
Fat Monster, you have truly outdone yourselves. I'm proud to be on the team. Great edit, Tim and wonderful effects, Mark, Raptor, Nate... Wow.
My dad and I will piece together a review in a day or two. He loved it just the same if not more than me. WOW!!!!
I've watched about ten films so far.... and you've got my FIRST PLACE VOTE!!! GREAT JOB!!!
Beat Takeshi
06-19-2008, 05:41 PM
It would have been cool to see what that set looked like through a few different cameras like the HVX to compare.
Matty_g
06-19-2008, 05:45 PM
it does feature some stock hvx footage in o2.
You can also see some hvx footage from this set in another timefest entry.
Alex Jeffery
06-19-2008, 05:56 PM
Wow, Mark. The film not only looked amazing, but was a lot of fun to watch! Very cool and inspiring.
Kyle Stebbins
06-19-2008, 05:57 PM
it does feature some stock hvx footage in o2.
You can also see some hvx footage from this set in another timefest entry.
Beat me to it.
Postmaster
06-19-2008, 06:15 PM
WOW! You guys are insane. I was blown away.
On the other hand, you had a space ship.
I mean, how can you beat a space ship?
No, srious - its absolutley awsome. Great acting, great camerawork, everything.
Frank
Damn, I knew I should have got me that Death Star ;-)
Blaine
06-19-2008, 06:19 PM
Holy shi*! I don't know what to say. Everything was top notch. An absolutely amazing achievement for everyone involved. I salute you.:beer::beer::beer:That completely makes my day, Horse :beer::beer::beer:
Dustin R. Rogan
06-19-2008, 06:35 PM
Beat me to it.
*cough*
what?! mine...
*cough*
Rogan
J.R. Hudson
06-19-2008, 06:36 PM
This turned out wonderful; I love it when a plan comes together.
Awesome Mark and Tim and everyone else who was there !
hazelwould
06-19-2008, 06:45 PM
Great job guys! The efforts can be clearly seen. I loved the "Sunshine" premise with the fight for O2. Keep up the great work.
macgregor
06-19-2008, 07:10 PM
I´m speechless. I´m in love with this script and how it turned at the end.
I really really enjoyed this, it brings me back to the comic magazines i read back on the 80s, when the cool sci-fi was made.
The only issues i could find is that some of the acting was not of my taste at some moments (others were good),
But this really made my day. COngratulations. (now i will read the whole thread).
Edgen
06-19-2008, 07:22 PM
Damn fellas.. The film turned out mighty fine. GLad to be a part of this project.
Cheers everyone!
/j
This was the first DVXuser fest movie that while watching it I thought "Hey, this actually looks like a real movie!" The twist at the end was a very nice, heartwarming surprise. I agree with Macgregor that the acting at some points was a bit questionable - other than that, great job!
ZazaCast
06-19-2008, 07:43 PM
Just what I thought....AWESOME!
nuff-said.
Excellent job to all involved.
Akira
06-19-2008, 07:53 PM
There is a problem with the viewing page... I cant wait til I can actually log in and see the films, especially this one.
Jason Ramsey
06-19-2008, 09:33 PM
Akira:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=138745
Ok, guys... The execution and the production value here, was of course flawless to my eyes. I'm not one to comment there, so I'll leave that for others. You guys set the bar for production value, and I've come to expect nothing less in that arena.
I thought overall, this was the best use of the 6 minutes from you guys so far, though I still felt it seemed a bit fat... Too much for that little time.
On the flip side, it was a pretty simple premise and you executed it well within the given time frame.
Though, this was also a piece that you really could have delved more into the characters, and I would love to see you guys focus stronger on that than on plot one of these times. This story was one of those times you could have.
Don't get me wrong, the characters were all well established and I got it. but, there is a lot of struggle in that decision, and a lot of conflict between each of those characters, and rather than focusing on getting so much plot in, I think you could have thinned out some areas in that regard, and given it to character conflict, both internal conflict with the decisions they are making, and external conflict of looking over their shoulder, etc, etc.
Don't have much to say. execution and production value again was great and you guys are ready for the big time in that regard. I'd just like to see a little less focus on plot and a little more focus on character in one of your future films.
By far your best all around entry.
Later,
Jason
sean90291
06-19-2008, 09:34 PM
Of course had to watch this one first. It sets a pretty high bar for the rest.
On many levels it's as good as the 6 minutes out of a lot of big features. It looks amazing, and the actors were strong. A really haunting and emotional reveal at the end.
Dare I say there were missed dramatic opportunities. With so much going for it, the film still could have gone a little farther to maximize its potential. It comes down to the script for the most part--and yes, hindsight is 20/20. Spoilers:
I mean, didn't the guy who survives overhear the entire conversation? And from what he and we heard, he was going to be "removed" from the situation. I wanted more heightened emotion here (without melodrama). It just felt like it went a bit flat at what I think is an otherwise terrifying moment. I would love to have played a bit with what it would feel like to hear that. Know that your friends feel that. You did suggest a love interest from him to the woman, obviously unrequited, and so I'm not sure how I felt about the way in which you had her use that in the last minute. It was a bit confusing or vague. There was no emotional punch to this "confrontation" between a beautiful woman and the man who loves her but can't have her. I know, that's a lot to carry in a few looks and lines.
The evil smiles she delivered sort of over-sold their devious plan...which of course doesn't turn out to be devious at all. Who'd smile in either case! But then she delivers a great performance in the end, so I feel the direction could have got a more consistent performance from her. I'm sure you had a lot to think about with all that cool smoke and great camera-work. So I am just being picky...but if I saw this on TV or in a theatre, I'd be thinking these thoughts.
Marlon Ladd
06-19-2008, 10:04 PM
Okay, Mark, WTF??!! LOL. Are you kidding me? The production was out of this world. That was some straight-up Sci-Fi channel stuff, but not in a cheezy way. I'm too impressed with how you guys pulled it together. I thought the lighting was top notch and I did like the story. The acting was pretty good overall and I agree, you guys have really raised the bar to a whole different level.
krestofre
06-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Very, very impressed. The quality of this film is through the roof. Directing, sound, art design, cinematography, acting. All top notch.
Leading up to the ending I was thinking "Gee, this is an obvious plot line, so I bet they're going to switch it to where ... yep, they did." That being said, the actors did a fantastic job with it and I was emotionally moved by the situation even though I predicted it.
The effort that you guys put into this is awe inspiring and you deserve all of the accolades you have and will received. The talent pool that you brought together is miraculous and can, obviously, work magic. I don't know what I could add to the team, but maybe next time I'll make it to the Fat Monster headquarters just to watch and learn.
gabrielflorit
06-19-2008, 10:34 PM
Oh. So sad!!! I'll skip worshipping all the technical aspects - like out-of-this-world lighting, camera angles, props, acting, music, special effects - and instead focus on the story. I was thinking there was no way you guys could pull a surprise ending, not with the way the story was unfolding... and then you did. So sad! It made me cry - that moment, when she starts breaking down, and he says "It's OK - I love you", beautiful!!!
What a piece. Unbelievable talent.
Troy Ruff
06-19-2008, 10:44 PM
Dang Mark I was very impressed with this film. i loved the set you guys had. The acting was good. And the twist at the end was great. Check out mine let me know what you think. This is my first short, so let me have it... I need to learn. :)
Great Job !
Troy Ruff
06-19-2008, 10:46 PM
I cant wait to see more, do you enter every fest?
totitefilms
06-19-2008, 11:31 PM
The best movie I've seen so far. Really nice acting, directing, and everything. Great job!
Danielleus
06-19-2008, 11:44 PM
Holy Crap!!!!!
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 12:31 AM
I cant wait to see more, do you enter every fest?
We've entered most of the fests so far. We haven't made a decision about future fests, but we certainly have learned a lot each time we've put something together. Thanks for watching.
I'm here at the Bullis home world. We just got back from taking my son to see HULK (which I surprisingly enjoyed a lot). We finally are going to get to download some films.
Woo hoo.
ConspiracyPenguin
06-20-2008, 01:01 AM
Jesus! That blew me out of my chair (almost literally with the sound on that title sequence). My expectations were high, and they were crushed, you really did a fantastic job on this one. You should be happy to know that even though I couldn't get the zips to work, and plan on retrying tomorrow, I downloaded a select few to watch tonight because I couldn't wait and yours was the second that finished and thus the second I watched (besides the two I wrote).
The VFX were to die for, the composition was stupendous (although I would expect no less after seeing Justin's name on the list). The lighting was very well done and the sets were beautiful. As were the shots and the acting (top notch, very believable). Your actree is very good, I loved her in Where The Heart Lies and here as well. Now for the story:
I really liked the story. I, personally, love twists. Especially ones like the one you used where after seeing it you realize that you were nevr lied to, you just bought the first and most believeable option. What I mean is, no one ever said directly "we are killing him because there is only enough oxygen for the two of us." so I didn't feel jipped, I felt like I had been led on which (in a movie :grin:) is a good thing for me. The ending was good as well, I liked how he really didn't know what to make of the whole situation yet and then you go to black.
You are going to do an extended cut, right? Maybe a feature? If so, I would love to see it and actually I would love to help out in any way I can. You guys really outdid yourselves this time, and I wish you nothing but the best of luck in this fest and in everything!
Thanks for sharing this wonderful piece with me.
jojopop
06-20-2008, 01:05 AM
Very cool flick. Production value... damn I'm jealous. And that ending was a nice twist.
One aspect that stuck out for me - that seems small but just felt so perfect - is the freeze frame on the video message... it feels real and is just a great subtlety. Anyhow, the little touches like this littered throughout the film just add to the atmosphere and environment, making it that much more convincing.
Great job!
Moojangles
06-20-2008, 02:15 AM
wow... 10/10 from me. I loved every second. Battlestar Galactica/Firefly eat your heart out! Amazing job guys! I'd pay to see more.
Weston
06-20-2008, 02:24 AM
Damn I was really impressed by this! Good story, acting, sound design and set design..I really liked it.
Noel Evans
06-20-2008, 03:22 AM
I downloaded all the zips and only because the lag in dl did I not watch this first.
Talk about an ambitious piece. I just spent the first run with my mouth open on the visuals. Utterly fantastic DP work here. The acting was great as was every composition in this piece - nothing IMO could be faulted. Great viewing for sure.
I think it could have been a result of the visuals being of such high standard that some of the green screen shots didnt give me the same tingly feeling. The main culprit for me was at 0.13. Though the interior cabin shots were great.
The dialogue was strong - and the story wasnt bad, just felt a bit predictable. I guess when you make a short within such tight confines with great action the time left for character has to be cut a little.
Gohanto
06-20-2008, 05:39 AM
Finally watched it a second time and I'm still blown away by how many things just clicked in this film. This is one of the very few films I've seen on dvxuser where it truly looks 100% professional. A lot of films I make suggestions about mistakes that make it obviously it wasn't done by a real cast and crew, but with this... I would've watched this on TV and assumed it cost a small fortune. Great job making this, but I do have a few comments...
SPOILERS
It did feel kinda rushed especially at the beginning, and I think this would've made for a much better longer film. Setting up the scene with Trevor at the controls and Natalia outside, imho, should've taken more time, so the audience gets oriented before meteor hits the ship. Building up the tension with her outside and the controls flashing would've been much more tense. Same goes with how fast they bring her back.
Cutting out to the ship exteriors was a very professional move and added a lot to keeping the pace moving between scenes.
Maybe it's just me, but after Natalia injects him, it just didn't ring true for me. An excellent performance, but watching it a few times I think it might've worked better if her husband put an arm around her or something to clue in the real reason.
Lighting was absolutely amazing throughout. Gotta love smoke. Ending "pull back, crane up" shot was excellent.
miamivideo
06-20-2008, 05:57 AM
Amazing film ! Very good in every sence and very pro looking. What was the budget for your short?.
egyptianboxer104
06-20-2008, 06:22 AM
YOU BASTARD!!
You made my friend cry.
With your amazing film...
Postmaster
06-20-2008, 06:24 AM
Are those the dolly rails on the floor of the last shot? :evil:
Frank
MattinSTL
06-20-2008, 07:57 AM
I was dying to see this project come together... and WOW it turned out great!
Having witnessed some of this production... I raise an eyebrow at any comments about budget, because a lot of people equate spending a couple bucks with a guarantee of quality results, which is constantly proven wrong in big screen features.
It takes a lot of planning, hard work, sacrifice, and personal dedication to make something great. I've been behind the scenes on some really high-budget projects and I've never seen a higher level of dedication to the production.
What you did with the tiny budget is amazing... You guys deserve a lot of credit for raising the bar... and I don't want anyone to think that was an easy thing to accomplish...
Dustin R. Rogan
06-20-2008, 07:59 AM
i did notice something on a 2nd review of the flick...
when the husband lays the wife on the table, he takes his hand from behind her head, and lays her down, then the next cut he does it again. (minor, but i tend to find these things)
Still Epic in my mind!
Great Job the Dude and Co.!
Rogan
sfoster
06-20-2008, 08:59 AM
SPOILERS!!!
After watching your film a couple of times there are a couple of things that I have to point out that you could have taken from excellent to perfection (in my opinion) The light from the welding wasn't hitting the floating actress, but seemed to light up behind her. It's kind of like when there is a muzzle flash from a gun but the persons face doesn't light up when they shoot it. Also when she stabs him with the needle, she never pushes the plunger in. SO NOW after all my negative critiques on your film, I will give the positive! The acting was phenomenal, the story was excellent and unexpected, the set was breath taking, the ship was awesome, in fact I wanted to see more of it! Like if you guys had a few more months, I would have loved to see the meteor hit the ship from outside! The score was right on! Cinematography rocked! The opening dolly shot was awesome, as was the closing (boom/dolly or steady cam, I'm not quite sure) shot. The sound of the freighter hailing him just sealed the film up perfectly.
abalex
06-20-2008, 09:02 AM
Mark and team, great job guys, I honestly thought I was watching one of those sci-fi shows on cable tv, great technical and artistic work, three thumbs up...
...the plot reminded me a bit of another movie called "stranded", it's an european flick.
awesome work mark!
g.
Kholi
06-20-2008, 09:21 AM
Where'd the bar go? Oh LoL. It's been raised beyond line of sight.
I just got back in after a 5AM call time (snore) and just wanted to pop in to say that this was a massive team effort (less from myself though) and everyone here did pretty good. Luis gripped it up and Matty pulled focus in a situation I openly bowed out of. That's a tough job man.
Stop having parties and write a feature please.
Jeff Anderson
06-20-2008, 09:27 AM
You know I was waiting to give any reviews till seeing everything at least twice and making sure that 2nd run really examined it, but I just have to stop in and give a first impression - HOLY CRAP FAT MONSTERS!!!!! Fucking amazing. The entire FM crew should be extremely proud of this. The great part was that there wasnt one element (lighting, sound, camera, story etc) that made it what it so great. Everything just melded together and made one freaking awesome movie.
spoilier - like Simon said above the radio contact at the end just sealed it up. Was totally expecting this to go a different direction but I loved where it went.
Nice work Monster crew you all are a defnite inspiration and have raised the bar yet again.
Chris Messineo
06-20-2008, 11:00 AM
Wow! Your production values are off the chart. Kudos to your whole team. Very impressive.
Wonderful story, sound, acting, editing, score. It's all good. Nothing to say but praise.
Congratulations.
Rodney V. Smith
06-20-2008, 11:34 AM
i'm speechless. wait, no.... breathless.
That was freaking awesome. SO awesome that I am making it my personal mission to destroy Fat Monster forever! (either that or finagle my way into their never-ending parties).
Production values are awesome on this and the story is incredibly well thought out. It definitely felt like I was watching one of the better shows on the sci-fi channel and pulled me in completely. So thanks for the good show and complete suspension of disbelief.
Now it is time to plot your demise... (I would plan a party but there's not that many Toronto DVXUsers it would seem, so on to plan B)
artofsuntzu
06-20-2008, 12:04 PM
Moviemaking mastery!
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 12:28 PM
Dudley,
I am in Oakland as I write this. ... Wish you were here...
artofsuntzu
06-20-2008, 12:36 PM
Dudley,
I am in Oakland as I write this. ...
lol
Wish you were here...
Really? Ok, I'll promise to drive down, if you promise to change the newborn's diapers (june 17th)
Again, O2 is a masterful combination of production and story. But you know, now, you've REALLY raised the bar on our expectations for your upcoming feature.
Cheers,
Dudley
Zak Forsman
06-20-2008, 12:38 PM
Where'd the bar go? Oh LoL. It's been raised beyond line of sight.
I just got back in after a 5AM call time (snore) and just wanted to pop in to say that this was a massive team effort (less from myself though) and everyone here did pretty good. Luis gripped it up and Matty pulled focus in a situation I openly bowed out of. That's a tough job man.
Stop having parties and write a feature please.
so basically, we can all thank Kholi for such a great film. :evil:
wesley
06-20-2008, 12:38 PM
very impressive film. great cinematic feel to it, only thing missing was the popcorn!
Blaine
06-20-2008, 12:40 PM
Thanks to everyone that has taken the time to watch and stop by with a review.
Mark, we missed you last night at Luis'. I think Luis has got to be the most gracious host I've ever met. He had the "big screen" set up and a packed house. We watched ALL the movies. Sara got us home around 4:30 am. I don't imagine there are any signs of life yet at the Monster Shack.
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 12:42 PM
Kholi is the man.
Forsman, where's your O2 banner when we need it??? You were giving us some much-needed credibility.
Kholi
06-20-2008, 12:42 PM
so basically, we can all thank Kholi for such a great film. :evil:
I micro-managed the set from a small wooden rolling chair.
There was Canada Dry there, all was good.
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 12:44 PM
Blaine, I can say that both Bullis and I wished we were there. We had our own little party in the Oakland Hills with suitable beverages and accoutrements. Still, we were sad monsters to miss the chance to relieve Luis's fridge of his beer and to enjoy the never-gets-old frivolity of spraying his cats with hairspray when he isn't watching. (do they ever jump).
Slimothy
06-20-2008, 12:49 PM
Last night we had a screening party at Luis Sinibaldi's place in L.A. and it was great to be able to see all the films on a projector! A huge thank you to everyone who has come by and left their comments about the film. As everybody knows we have spent a lot of time on this and it involved A LOT of key people to make happen. There is a credits list posted somewhere on this thread and I can honestly say that there is no way in hell that we could have gotten anything close to this had every single person not been there.
This whole experience has taught me probably six thousand good lessons, but it's also shown me that it is totally possible to make a movie on a bigger scale with friends in an environment where everyone is working hard because they care.
We can't thank everyone enough for helping us out and being a part of this awesome experience.
Slimothy
06-20-2008, 12:51 PM
I´m speechless. I´m in love with this script and how it turned at the end.
I really really enjoyed this, it brings me back to the comic magazines i read back on the 80s, when the cool sci-fi was made.
The only issues i could find is that some of the acting was not of my taste at some moments (others were good),
But this really made my day. COngratulations. (now i will read the whole thread).
I must say that this comment has really made me feel good. I've been a HUGE Macgregor fan for a couple years now. Hopefully we can do something together Mac. You rock dude.
Mobie540
06-20-2008, 01:04 PM
Great production value. Jealous of all the wonderful toys.
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 01:04 PM
I echo Tim's comments. When we started Fat Monster Films less than a year ago we made a commitment to not only open our doors to the DVXUSER membership, but to work hard at making the experience of shooting with us a true shared experience. Luis, Matty G., Bullis and Blaine quickly became a core monster family that allowed us to start building a foundation to work from. When Arrik, Bosindy, JDS, Stebbs, Hudson, Dudley, DJ, Gettemeier, the Popaditches and Ted all came from out of town to help us I felt that our vision of making a truly cooperative film was proven to be a worthwhile pursuit. These guys wouldn't have come if they didn't feel strongly that they would be true partners who would be appreciated. Guys, we owe you big time and we hope to return the favor for every one of you in time. When you add the tireless efforts of Raptor 365 and Nate "RotoNinja" as well as the local boys (Brad, Justin, Zak, Matty G., Luis, Tom, Geoff, Kholi etc.) then it becomes so very clear that this is a group effort that shows just how much spirit, talent and unselfish love is available in this community.
We can't ever be perfect and we will, no doubt, always fall short in many ways. However, I can honestly say that our hearts are in the right place and that neither Tim nor I will ever forget that making a successful film requires much more than we can ever bring to the table by ourselves.
And, of course, I have to give my very highest respect, regard and appreciation to Barry Green who has provided more guidance than we could ever hope for, and who has been more patient than we deserved. Time and again Barry has shown that he cares so much about this community and that he wants us all to rise to levels of professional work that can become a basis to help those who are coming up from the ranks below. We have watched the wonderful work he's done with the Dream Team and we often hoped to have the chance to work with him. It was such an honor to have him assist us and to be able to get to know him as more than the DVX/HVX Maven Dude.
Matty_g
06-20-2008, 01:17 PM
seriously,
did you guys know barry green is funny?
Rodney V. Smith
06-20-2008, 01:52 PM
Last night we had a screening party at Luis Sinibaldi's place in L.A. and it was great to be able to see all the films on a projector!
Okay, that's it: time to marshall the troops here in Toronto and get a viewing/party underway. I watched some of the movies again this morning on the projector and man do they look fabulous. O2 rocks the house on a big screen I gotta say...
now where are those darn Toronto DVX'ers?
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-20-2008, 02:04 PM
Okay, that's it: time to marshall the troops here in Toronto and get a viewing/party underway. I watched some of the movies again this morning on the projector and man do they look fabulous. O2 rocks the house on a big screen I gotta say...
now where are those darn Toronto DVX'ers?Ottawa here.
Maybe we can meet halfway. :laugh:
Rodney V. Smith
06-20-2008, 02:17 PM
Ottawa here.
Maybe we can meet halfway. :laugh:
I'll get the projector in the car. Rally the troops! I'll bring the beer. :beer:
miamivideo
06-20-2008, 02:44 PM
Mark what was the budget for your movie?
John LaBonney
06-20-2008, 02:56 PM
One word for this film: WOW!
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Mark what was the budget for your movie?
I don't have the figures because Bullis and Blaine were keeping the books. I've mentioned before on the thread that we got the location for the cost of the stage manager and power (stage manager was $300/day and I'm guessing the power was probably about the same from what we projected). We got a very good rate on the RED rental because we've done some favors and have pledged to help Sam Druckerman and Matty with promoting the rig down the road. In fairness I can't reveal the rate but it was definitely a good deal and one we won't expect to get again. We had very little grip rental because of all the donated gear but we did have to rent a Premiere dolly, some track and an electronic viewfinder for the RED (the one it came with was on the fritz).
The way we really leveraged our micro budget was by working out trades. As mentioned earlier, we were blessed to have Levie Isaacks ASC lens our film because we provided location, lights and crew for him to use on a 3rd party project. We got the set/location basically donated because we've agreed to help crew a production for them down the road. Similarly, Dragon Dronet and Renegade Effects Group gave us all the costumes and props in exchange for our agreeing to help them on a future project. It looks like it will be a Samurai short complete with period costumes and shot on 35mm that is being done as a feature pitch. Obviously, we'd be down to crew that without anything in return because of the opportunities it presents. However, by doing this on a "trade-out" basis we are now considered peers and compatriots by a number of pros. This has already resulted in our being included in various social gatherings, industry meetings and simple grab-a-beer-after-work invites. Truly, the benefits we are seeing make the whole O2 short seem a small matter in comparison with the big picture of what we've received.
I'm not trying to be evasive here by not stating a budget number because I truly don't know what it is. However, its going to be close to what we spent on prior shorts even though the production values are much higher because of all the good will and donated services/gear we got this time.
More importantly, while we got goods and services for a couple of days, we got HUGE connections, relationships and true friendships in this town that are going to be big assets for Fat Monster for years to come.
AJ Brooks
06-20-2008, 03:10 PM
I stood up on my chair and clapped at the end of this film. Amazing work. Visually it was a treat, but more importantly--in the short time of the film, character was revealed and we liked these people, which is essential to making this story work.
Bravo!
Blaine
06-20-2008, 03:18 PM
...by doing this on a "trade-out" basis we are now considered peers and compatriots by a number of pros. This has already resulted in our being included in various social gatherings, industry meetings and simple grab-a-beer-after-work invites. Truly, the benefits we are seeing make the whole O2 short seem a small matter in comparison with the big picture of what we've received.
More importantly, while we got goods and services for a couple of days, we got HUGE connections, relationships and true friendships in this town that are going to be big assets for Fat Monster for years to come.It CANNOT be overstated; the doors that O2 is opening FAR OUTWEIGH any budget consideration when it comes to producing the movie. Considering the contacts made and future project involvement, the budget for O2 becomes more of an investment in Fat Monster's future than it actually does in making what we feel is a pretty nice little flick. :thumbsup:
Andrew Brinkhaus
06-20-2008, 03:19 PM
Apart from sharing a common storyline to the recent space film Sunshine, It was lit well and the acting for the most part was good.
Great work!
majikfraug
06-20-2008, 03:58 PM
Beautiful film guys. Much respect!
Postmaster
06-20-2008, 04:02 PM
... but we did have to rent a Premiere dolly, some track....
.....that track you show us in the last scene comming into the frame :evil:
Sorry Mark but I could not resist to mention that again. :laugh:
Otherwise - as I said - exorbitant work.
It was the first one I downloaded and in the first minute I was blown away. When they put the girl on the table and bring her back to life that´s such a incredible scene.
Actually reminds my at "The Mumie" when Anchsenamun comes back to life with the same breath.
Was that a homage or did it just happen?
I was surprised when I found a "Angel Heart" homage in UNZEIT while editing.
Frank
ConspiracyPenguin
06-20-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm watching it again right now...
pauly_the_hitman
06-20-2008, 04:18 PM
Wow that was simply amazing not much more I can say...
Ben Sliker
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
I really wanted this film to be great and it was, the red is really an awesome camera, and it flexes it's muscles in this short. The production value of this is really great stuff, and you can see that it took the work of many talented people to pull it off. Congrats guys, this film hands down rocks.
Alright, i think i've proven that I loved this film, now here's what i want to see, my critique, cause i really think you guys can take this to another level. excuse me if i reiterate someone else's comments, it's a little hard to keep up with this thread.
0:00:14 - the welding shot was a little goofy for me. it does seem like the welder is the diagetic light source, but her entire back is lit up. I think it also suffers from the "everything is in perfectly clean focus" effects look, i remember seeing Raptor's depth maps (before they were taken down), did you guys not get a chance to put them in?
0:00:22 - 0:00:37 - the screen replacements absolutely take me out of it. You have this dirty and grungy space ship with perfectly clean comp-ed in monitors, i needed some like dirty of smudges over the screen, they don't match the rest of the environment as they are. And the last screen with the red dot and the little spaceship just makes me giggle.
The "bringing her back to life" scene. Just awesome.
1:42 - spaceship inserts. why? just because? was there not another scene transition planned? Rather than a full spaceship render, i would have like to have seen an outside tank was slowly leaking, which would have lead me to the next scene better.
The second scene with all three of them is the weakest part of the film. I downright don't like his first line " get me out of the way" I think it would work better if it just started with his 2nd line "What's on the monitor?" The whole scene is just odd and doesn't carry as much emotional weight as it should.
3:10 - another space ship shot, it's cool, but it doesn't carry any meaning to me, then all the sudden, even though he shuts the door on them the previous scene, she's right behind him the next. Didn't he just threaten to to hit them with a flashlight?
There's no way if I were him that I'd get anywhere close to either of them, i'd take all the weapons and lock myself in a corner room. It's not like they want to tie him up, he thinks they are going to KILL him. Which is why I really felt the explanation of why he "lets her in" is another weak thread, the "cause you two have a history" line, i needed a little more right there, what history? what would possibly make him want to be near her? No amount of love is going to overcome "I'm going to kill you for your oxygen". I really think there was an opportunity for a tense and emotional scene there that was missed, instead he just sorta gives in for the sake of moving the story along.
The last two mintues rock, Neato twist, I expected something, but didn't think of this. Is that a bluescreen in the back of their "message" shot?
I would like to see a project from you guys that involves very little CGI. It feels like your crutch right now cause it never feels finished. And that's only cause I expect the best.
There are parts of this movie that are perfection, which i am infinitely jealous of, and parts that I want to be better. Regardless, you rocked my socks off.:thumbsup:
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 04:55 PM
Damn, Ben, thanks for that truly thoughtful critique. I just truly love you guys when you are candid with observations and suggestions.
I'm overwhelmed by the appreciation and encouragement the board has given us. We want so much to keep working and developing our chops. A big part of that process is receiving critiques and assessments. You guys have made us better film makers by caring enough to comment honestly. (Now, if only M. Night Shaymalan would listen to my comments and critiques after the past four films he's made :)
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 05:04 PM
It was the first one I downloaded and in the first minute I was blown away. When they put the girl on the table and bring her back to life that´s such a incredible scene.
Actually reminds my at "The Mumie" when Anchsenamun comes back to life with the same breath.
Was that a homage or did it just happen?
I was surprised when I found a "Angel Heart" homage in UNZEIT while editing.
Frank
JDS, who helped with some wonderful script revisions came up with this scene and I do love it. I immediately thought of Pulp Fiction and we went to some lengths to avoid appearing to rip off Tarentino with the scene. To me, the scene is great as a dramatic opening right after the title sequence and it establishes that Sam and Natlia are married, which is obviously important to the story. It also puts Trevor as a sort of "third wheel" whose negligence in being asleep casts some culpability on him.
The problem of the piece, of course, is figuring out how to compress this story into 6 minutes. The first cut to the exterior view shows the horrible damage while the second cut outside the ship serves to suggest some passage of time from the confrontation until Natalia approaches Trevor alone. The limitations of time led to us having a minimum of time to work with the exterior views and when we do a new cut down the road we will render a nice slow view of the damage that should add some weight and help with the pacing.
Thanks again for these great comments guys.
Kyle Stebbins
06-20-2008, 05:08 PM
seriously,
did you guys know barry green is funny?
Ha! I wish we would've gotten a shot of the crappy little light rig that Barry and I concocted from the cage at Laurel Canyon. It was hideous and dangerous, but conveniently effective... sadly we didn't even use it in the end.
Did we get any pictures of that thing, Barry?
Matty_g
06-20-2008, 05:10 PM
.....that track you show us in the last scene comming into the frame :evil:
On set we framed for scope and this render is 2:1 (time constraints i believe)
It will be cropped out for other fests.
Ben Sliker
06-20-2008, 05:11 PM
Damn, Ben, thanks for that truly thoughtful critique. I just truly love you guys when you are candid with observations and suggestions.
No problem buddy. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)Now, go back to work so that you can blow my mind again!
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 05:16 PM
Matty is right about the aspect ratio. Tim gave some serious thought to cutting this for cinemascope but decided we couldn't afford the time given that there are several scenes that will need to be adjusted for proper framing.
I've also discussed with Raptor doing some new renders of the ship for the next cut given that we have a whole bunch of time still credited at the RenderFarm. It will be nice to stretch those exterior views a little bit more without worrying about the six minute time limit.
Kyle Stebbins
06-20-2008, 05:32 PM
On set we framed for scope and this render is 2:1 (time constraints i believe)
It will be cropped out for other fests.
Oh yeah, and Matty... there will be a barbecue at Luis' -- don't forget.
Tom Marshall
06-20-2008, 06:43 PM
1 pm
Kyle Stebbins
06-20-2008, 07:05 PM
Byob
miamivideo
06-20-2008, 07:35 PM
I don't have the figures because Bullis and Blaine were keeping the books. I've mentioned before on the thread that we got the location for the cost of the stage manager and power (stage manager was $300/day and I'm guessing the power was probably about the same from what we projected). We got a very good rate on the RED rental because we've done some favors and have pledged to help Sam Druckerman and Matty with promoting the rig down the road. In fairness I can't reveal the rate but it was definitely a good deal and one we won't expect to get again. We had very little grip rental because of all the donated gear but we did have to rent a Premiere dolly, some track and an electronic viewfinder for the RED (the one it came with was on the fritz).
The way we really leveraged our micro budget was by working out trades. As mentioned earlier, we were blessed to have Levie Isaacks ASC lens our film because we provided location, lights and crew for him to use on a 3rd party project. We got the set/location basically donated because we've agreed to help crew a production for them down the road. Similarly, Dragon Dronet and Renegade Effects Group gave us all the costumes and props in exchange for our agreeing to help them on a future project. It looks like it will be a Samurai short complete with period costumes and shot on 35mm that is being done as a feature pitch. Obviously, we'd be down to crew that without anything in return because of the opportunities it presents. However, by doing this on a "trade-out" basis we are now considered peers and compatriots by a number of pros. This has already resulted in our being included in various social gatherings, industry meetings and simple grab-a-beer-after-work invites. Truly, the benefits we are seeing make the whole O2 short seem a small matter in comparison with the big picture of what we've received.
I'm not trying to be evasive here by not stating a budget number because I truly don't know what it is. However, its going to be close to what we spent on prior shorts even though the production values are much higher because of all the good will and donated services/gear we got this time.
More importantly, while we got goods and services for a couple of days, we got HUGE connections, relationships and true friendships in this town that are going to be big assets for Fat Monster for years to come.
Thanks for your response and good luck for you future projects , I really hope you win.
J.R. Hudson
06-20-2008, 09:41 PM
I echo Tim's comments. When we started Fat Monster Films less than a year ago we made a commitment to not only open our doors to the DVXUSER membership, but to work hard at making the experience of shooting with us a true shared experience. Luis, Matty G., Bullis and Blaine quickly became a core monster family that allowed us to start building a foundation to work from. When Arrik, Bosindy, JDS, Stebbs, Hudson, Dudley, DJ, Gettemeier, the Popaditches and Ted all came from out of town to help us I felt that our vision of making a truly cooperative film was proven to be a worthwhile pursuit. These guys wouldn't have come if they didn't feel strongly that they would be true partners who would be appreciated. Guys, we owe you big time and we hope to return the favor for every one of you in time. When you add the tireless efforts of Raptor 365 and Nate "RotoNinja" as well as the local boys (Brad, Justin, Zak, Matty G., Luis, Tom, Geoff, Kholi etc.) then it becomes so very clear that this is a group effort that shows just how much spirit, talent and unselfish love is available in this community.
We can't ever be perfect and we will, no doubt, always fall short in many ways. However, I can honestly say that our hearts are in the right place and that neither Tim nor I will ever forget that making a successful film requires much more than we can ever bring to the table by ourselves.
And, of course, I have to give my very highest respect, regard and appreciation to Barry Green who has provided more guidance than we could ever hope for, and who has been more patient than we deserved. Time and again Barry has shown that he cares so much about this community and that he wants us all to rise to levels of professional work that can become a basis to help those who are coming up from the ranks below. We have watched the wonderful work he's done with the Dream Team and we often hoped to have the chance to work with him. It was such an honor to have him assist us and to be able to get to know him as more than the DVX/HVX Maven Dude.
I met Mark and Tim (finally) when they came down to San Diego with Barry Green
I knew from the first handshakes that these dudes were right up my alley.
And sides, Mark always buys the rad call girls.
Blaine and I have been wine dialing forever.
Rodney V. Smith
06-20-2008, 09:48 PM
You know you guys really are an inspiration and a good example of what this site is really about and it's about forming the community and instead of being off in our own little worlds, out there helping each other to grow and getting the best possible film.
It's kind of the heart of independent film and if we could have similar groups form just to create films and take note of your example then we coudl really have something going. A bunch of little Fat Monsters running around ans shaping the face of independent film.
Now we're all just wondering when you guys are going to go out and make the first Fat Monster feature film... so get to it already!
ConspiracyPenguin
06-20-2008, 09:49 PM
JR, I might be coming down to SD next month to see my Aunt and Uncle and go to comic con (my Aunt is an artist there) maybe I'll hunt you down and say hi!
Mark Johnson
06-20-2008, 10:30 PM
Now we're all just wondering when you guys are going to go out and make the first Fat Monster feature film... so get to it already!
We've been having preproduction meetings on our feature project for some time now and we're happy with our treatment and the progress of the script. We haven't been discussing it much because we're aware that it's all too easy to talk about "the feature we're going to shoot" without having any true substance behind those words. We've learned a great deal from carefully watching Barry Green's work with JDS to develop their feature project and, of course, have profited greatly from Adam Cultraro's example with regard to "Corrado." Adam has truly been a great mentor for all of us here at Fat Monster and we owe him a debt of gratitude.
We've been working on funding, as that's unquestionably the biggest obstacle that confronts most small production companies. Fortunately, my 14 years as a trial lawyer and 15 years doing forensic work have given us a pretty good rolodex with respect to income-earners who accept us as credible businessmen. Added to that are the considerable contacts and connections that Luis has brought to the table so that we've been able to get the first layer of funding covered. We hope to leverage that foundation to get the cast committed and to get more funding from our secondary targets. Frankly, our biggest concern is that we not f*ck up the first feature as we know its success is the key to the next bigger project (see, again, Adam Cultraro's Corrado thread).
So, thanks so much to all of you who have encouraged us and who believe in us. We don't have illusions that we're "there" yet. In fact, we're profoundly aware of our limitations. However, we do believe that our ability to put solid work on the screen with a tight budget will allow us to take the next step and give our investors a reasonable shot at a return. You can be sure that wherever the Monster goes, we will bring our DVXUSER supporters with us. In fact, we depend on you, literally, and we'll remember all the hard work that you've put in to help us succeed.
Kyle Stebbins
06-20-2008, 11:48 PM
I met Mark and Tim (finally) when they came down to San Diego with Barry Green
I knew from the first handshakes that these dudes were right up my alley.
And sides, Mark always buys the rad call girls.
Blaine and I have been wine dialing forever.
Dude. Bro.
Don Riemer
06-21-2008, 06:36 AM
Just watched "O2." Outstanding job! I felt like I was watching a lost episode of "Firefly." Glad to see science fiction film making is alive and well. Especially loved the ending.... did not see it coming. Kudos to you all!
Don Riemer
Mark Johnson
06-21-2008, 08:17 AM
Don, thanks so much. That means a lot to me after learning that you wrote The Small Multiple, which is among my top three films in this fest. Would it be possible for me to read your script?
Maximus
06-21-2008, 08:19 AM
When Fat Monster roars, the earth trembles. :beer::beer::beer:
Mark Johnson
06-21-2008, 08:34 AM
When Fat Monster roars, the earth trembles. :beer::beer::beer:
Ha ha. I am tempted to make a comment regarding Tim's proclivity to expel gasses but I shall hold my tongue for now.
chris f
06-21-2008, 09:47 AM
All I can say is WOW.
.....I'll say more when I have a better internet connection and more time to search this thread. Terrific job guys!
Don Riemer
06-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Mark,
Delighted that you enjoyed the movie! And there is a pleasing symmetry to this endeavor. I wrote "The Small Multiple" for the January 2007 contest at MoviePoet.com. So seeing the film shot for another online contest feels just so right...
And of course you can see the script. (Actually, I would have missed your request if Daniel hadn't alerted me...) I've attached a copy to this post (I think....) but I'm a total newbie with this site. If the script doesn't end up attached, please email me directly, and I'll forward a PDF.
Thanks again!
Don
conrad_johnson
06-21-2008, 11:03 AM
Jeez guys, The cinematography in this thing a unbelievable! No way I can keep up with that. :jealous:
:goes to sit in corner and cry:
This is stellar.
I'll write more later.
Jeez.
-Joe
Barry_Green
06-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Mark, your words are very kind, I'm glad to have been involved and if you found any of my contributions helpful, that's gratifying.
I don't know if I've said this before, but I was very impressed with how well the FM set ran. Considering that there was a massive crew, all unpaid, well, historically that's proven to have disaster potential. But the way Mark and Tim operate, they inspire such goodwill that there was never any issues at all, people worked hard from the moment they arrived until the moment they left, and even when we got seriously behind schedule, people rallied together and got the job done on time WITHOUT SACRIFICING QUALITY. Phenomenal.
I was honored to be a small part of this production, and am very much looking forward to working with Mark and Tim and crew again.
Now, about the film -- wow. LOVE the opening shot, y'all know what I'm talking about there. Love the score. Love the sound design. Everything came together fantastically well. I agree with the CG computer display shots being a tad too "obviously CG", but that's about the nittiest of nits that I could pick. Fantastic job and you all should be justifiably proud.
Dustin R. Rogan
06-21-2008, 02:21 PM
In my top 10 great job guys!
Rogan
Susanne G.
06-21-2008, 04:03 PM
This is absolutly a hollywood production. I don't know really what you are doing still here, making a film for dvxuser?! There is all perfect and I enjoyed the film very much. It remindes me a little bit at the film "Abyss".
Susanne
Postmaster
06-21-2008, 04:07 PM
Yeah, mix between Abyss and Dark Star
Frank
David Jimerson
06-21-2008, 06:55 PM
No question this looked fan-bloody-tastic, even better than the raw footage I saw. Seamless keys; perfect atmosphere. Great graphics. (The only nit would be the stationary planet out the windows! :) ). Many, many congrats to be had all around.
Great sound mix, too.
Overall, this would easily sit next to anything you'd see on TV today; given more time to flesh out the story, this is a solid episode of a sci-fi anthology series, no sweat. Very professional work, guys! Worthy of the hype.
disjecta
06-21-2008, 07:47 PM
Monsters,
You have gotten to the point where your production value is really high...I mean, as good as anything else out there...really. It looked and felt like part of a big feature and I couldn't believe it was only 6 minutes long. It played like it was about 3 minutes. That's a really good thing because it kept me interested from the beginning to the end.
Acting was very good. There were a couple of moments when the guy who survived seemed a little tentative but really very minor stuff. Also, a couple of the actress's poses looked a little too "action hero" for my liking...it looked a little unnatural but, again, really no big deal.
The resolution you came up with to explain what happened was very creative. I really liked the video idea. The way the survivor saw the dead bodies and then suddenly rushed over to the video screen seemed a little weird because you didn't get the sense that he was slowly discovering that this was a message (I know the freeze frame suggested that...but...)...it's almost like he was told "go there and watch this video"...all minor things because the impact of the story was still there. I got shivers up my spine the first time I watched it because it was a genuine moment of great sadness, courage and sacrifice.
The exterior shots of the ship seemed like they were cut too soon each time. It would have been nice to have the ship move past the screen before the cut. Maybe you did that for time constraints but it felt a little hurried to me.
At the beginning of the film - the impact and then going to the title was very powerful. Great use of sound and image. When that happened, I was thinking...man, this is kick ass. You had me hooked right away.
I didn't care for the title design, it seemed just not right to me...maybe a little too stylized...whatever it was, it just distracted me.
The overall palette you chose was very appealing. I love those tones and they perfectly played into the story.
The lighting, for the most part, was very good and dramatic. I felt it was a little forced at times because we all love those big shards of light but it can be a thin line between looking dramatic and being almost comic book surreal (the latter is not what I want to see in this film because it breaks my sense of being there). I think the lighting teetered on that line a few times throughout the film.
The cinematography was spot on. The rack focusing was really tasteful and beautifully done in terms of enhancing the storytelling. The camera did a great job at capturing fairly high contrast scenes.
The music was brilliant because it was so understated but really effective when it needed to be...not as easy to pull off as some would imagine.
The pacing felt just right (aside from the exterior edits mentioned earlier) and I could easily see this as a feature.
Be really proud of this accomplishment. I know I am very proud of both of you for pulling together what seemed almost impossible. When I think of the Monsters, I think of the tagline I have in my sig file "The impossible just takes longer"...a quote from Captain Jean Luc Picard from Star Trek and a very fitting tribute to both of you.
I tip my hat to you, fine sirs.
Mark Johnson
06-21-2008, 08:13 PM
David and Steven: We can think of few people whose opinions would mean more to us than yours. We are humbled by the talent and experience both of you have. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for the encouragement.
Barry: You should know how much we hold you in esteem and how much we hope to find ourselves working with you again soon. To say that you and DVXUSER have been important to us would be a ridiculous understatement. The whole community has been blessed by your willingness to put in time and energy devoted to helping people become more professional -- without taking any shortcuts. This is hard stuff!!! However, so many people on the path ahead of us have given us footsteps to stand in while still allowing us to make our own mistakes and mis-steps. Thank you again for believing in this community.
Susanne and Frank: A few months ago we never dreamed we'd feel a kinship with such talented and beautiful people half a world away. You both have amazing skills, true innovative approaches and wonderful hearts for the art of telling stories. Thank you for becoming new friends and comrades.
Conrad (and Mark Harris): Words cannot express how much we admire your work. You are masters who have produced a film that we truly wish we could have made. Damn, you raised the bar this time and we're proud to be considered your peers.
Rogan: Get your pants back on.
Mark, Tim & Luis
Brad S.
06-21-2008, 09:22 PM
The way the survivor saw the dead bodies and then suddenly rushed over to the video screen seemed a little weird because you didn't get the sense that he was slowly discovering that this was a message (I know the freeze frame suggested that...but...)...it's almost like he was told "go there and watch this video"
Hi Disjecta,
I was the sound designer for O2 and I wanted to explain the leading into the monitor a little bit. In a way, there is something that is leading Trevor to the monitor. Once he wakes up, as he is walking down the hall there is a faint beeping sound that I tried to convey was coming from the "bedroom." I wanted to play this very subtly, but I may have been a little too subtle. Once he gets into the room, the beeping is louder and it stops once he starts playing the message.
I just wanted to point this out because Tim and Mark came up with this idea and I'd hate for my poor attempt to be creative be seen as a story weakness on their part.
MattinSTL
06-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Brad... you did an excellent job. Thank you very much. I didn't realize you were a DVXuser member as well. I appreciate your good work more then anybody else here, I assure you.
Also... the rooms of a ship aren't like rooms in a palace... on the sci-fi gray walls a lit up monitor would be pretty easy to notice immediately... I watched the cut differently. It's not as though he was cued to the monitor, but rather he was captivated by the gravity of the situation... in seeing his dead friends first... and then went to see what they wanted to say.
Technically... the "goodbye" video was a courtesy... to Trevor... and the audience... at the same time. It makes sense within the story... and for good story-telling. Trevor's long gaze at the bodies really says it all, but it's not like a guy would go into a room with his two dead friends laying on the bed... and FIRST go watch a little video on the wall... even if he did register it in his periphery... any person would have to take that moment of perspective... as Trevor did.
disjecta
06-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Brad, I think the problem was that, for what I'm conditioned to, there is always a plethora of sounds when a ship is in trouble so I guess I didn't really correlate the sound with the video but maybe others got it.
Overall the sound design was really well done.
thanks for responding.
Brad S.
06-21-2008, 11:19 PM
Thanks, Matt. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I wanted to say thank you again for the amazing job you did with the production sound! Your notes were very detailed and were a big help in leading me to good alt takes. And your detailed wild takes saved my butt on several occasions.
I can't wait for people to hear the 5.1 mix. There's a lot more material in the sub and surrounds that I feel make the ship come more to life as if it's its own character.
Brad S.
06-21-2008, 11:23 PM
Brad, I think the problem was that, for what I'm conditioned to, there is always a plethora of sounds when a ship is in trouble so I guess I didn't really correlate the sound with the video but maybe others got it.
Good point. Tim and I talked about putting the "You've got Mail" voice in there, but apparently AOL has a copyright on that. :)
MattinSTL
06-21-2008, 11:53 PM
Brad, I think the problem was that, for what I'm conditioned to, there is always a plethora of sounds when a ship is in trouble so I guess I didn't really correlate the sound with the video but maybe others got it.
Overall the sound design was really well done.
thanks for responding.
Dude! You don't like my explanation?
Let's say this whole event happens in a house... and you wander into the living room where your two friends are dead on the couch... and the TV is freeze-framed on the two of them in front of a camera... you're telling me that it wouldn't go down JUST like that? Even if nothing was "calling you" to the TV?
And Brad... I'm dead serious (pun intended)... I really appreciate your hard work more then words can say. My fanaticism about sound goes back WAY before DVXuser... way-way back... like 20 years. At one time I wanted to make soundtrack "vacations" for people stuck in hospitals... something to fill the gap between mindless television... and [comparatively boring] books.
Your sound design reminded me of that old idea again... you really helped sew up the fabric of this project into something great. Thanks. :thumbsup:
disjecta
06-22-2008, 12:01 AM
Dude! You don't like my explanation?
It's a good explanation but I have to address how I responded originally. Sure, I can sit and theorize until the cows come home after the fact but it didn't successfully communicate the idea to me while I watched it.
MattinSTL
06-22-2008, 12:09 AM
So if you walked into a room with 2 dead friends lying there... the FIRST thing you'd do is watch the TV before looking at them to assess the situation?
Don't take this the wrong way... your thoughtful critique was obviously appreciated... and this isn't even my film, but I actually considered that pause and stare to be perfect... like he's understanding what happened and trying to process it before watching the video (which I assumed he was already planning to do)... I actually called Tim about this prior to the release and complimented him on the pacing of that moment, because it's the point where the whole story flips... and a lot is riding on the character of Trevor for the audience... I thought that part was very logical.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 12:23 AM
I think I was one of the first to comment but it was short and sweet. A few more comments about the story after watching it a second time.
In a way I felt like we were being set up for the ending right from the start. He overhears them but doesn't really do anything about it? I think I would be contacting someone off the ship and fast! Then her approach to him is all too sinister, again purposely misleading the viewer. That and he allows it to happen all too simply, disregarding what he had just overheard.
Then... they leave him there, face pressed against the metal grate. Why not place him in a bed or something? Maybe I'm nitpicking there but I found that very odd for friends who were willing to die so that he could live.
Now, as far as the theme goes. I really never got a sense that they were running out of time. Yes, it was mentioned... I just felt like it was a means to an end. With the title and the opening scene... I expected more to do over the lack of O2. Why not seal off a small area instead of fishing oxygen to the entire ship?
Just some thoughts for you guys to ponder. There is no doubt in my mind that this entry will do VERY well in this Fest, as it should. Technically it surpasses all the others. This movie was a real achievement and you should all be proud. You guys did an amazing job!
I know I would learn nothing without the comments and I just wanted to share my thoughts on areas of the story that seemed to be lacking to me personally.
Overall this short is close to perfect and you should all (not sure how many of you are involved) be very happy about it. Sit back, have a drink and toast to success regardless of what happens. You deserve it. :beer:
Cheers,
Mike
Zoidoid
06-22-2008, 01:37 AM
Whew! What can I say that hasn't already been said? Having followed this thread throughout the course of O2's production, I knew that I could expect the film to blow me away when it came to the production. It certainly did that! It was so polished and well-presented that I quickly forgot I was watching an indie production. The "sick bay" scene is a perfect example of pros at work. Great editing, well-acted, and very exciting. (Also, I love the helmet she's wearing!)
I was very curious to see if the story would match up. And it did. The ending delivered in a big way. I think part of what makes it work so well goes right back to the sick bay scene. We get nice subtle hints about the friendship between the crew members. When Trevor tries to apologize he looks legitimately dismayed. It's a really important moment because ifwe just thought of Trevor as some bumbling oaf then the sacrifice at the end of the story would mean nothing!
If I had any criticisms of the story, it would be that the twist was perhaps telegraphed a bit too strongly. During the bit where Trevor overhears Sam's conversation with his wife, I got the impression we were being intentionally mislead. On the other hand, this does create a sense of dramatic irony.
Anyway! Amazing job! It's fantastic to be able to come to these forums, look at what Fat Monster has done and think "So this is what's possible with a lot of hard work, creative problem solving, and a bunch of talent." Remarkably inspirational, to say the least!
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 07:01 AM
Anyway! Amazing job! It's fantastic to be able to come to these forums, look at what Fat Monster has done and think "So this is what's possible with a lot of hard work, creative problem solving, and a bunch of talent." Remarkably inspirational, to say the least!I just wanted the emphasize this comment. Very well stated. :thumbsup:
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 08:58 AM
Michael, we appreciate SO MUCH your comments and suggestions. I've come to truly respect your work so that thoughtful analysis from you is a very much appreciated gift. I wish you could have been hanging with us during some of our preproduction meetings so that you could be privy to the interesting discussions we had along the lines you have brought up. Also, I must tell you that I have not yet watched "The Watchman" and I am anticipating doing so today. The films came out while I was on the road north and I'm still up here in San Jose trying to give every film a careful view in between my work obligations.
Zoidoid: I also have not yet watched Ad Infinitum but have seen comments on your thread that can only be described as glowing as well. It will be a true pleasure to watch your film later today too and give you my own reactions and critiques. I do smile whenever I see your avatar show up because I have such fond memories of working on Long Island (MTV Beach House) in 1994. I can promise you that Tim and I will be coming to New York in the near future and I sincerely hope that all you Yoikers will be able to meet us in the city for some beers. Thanks so much for the extremely kind words and positive encouragement. Both of you guys are very special to me.
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 09:12 AM
By the way, Michael's comments about the dynamics between the crew got me thinking that some of you may find interesting the fact that the original story involved a joint Russian-American mission. We cast Tim Abell (Sam) as the all-american astronaut type and had cast a Russian actor to play opposite of Ana as her husband. Thus, the original script played off of some political tension and had a number of lines spoken in Russian (some with subtitles and some without).
We even had gone so far as to have "seething" Mike Hechanova shoot footage in Times Square and at NBC where he was working so that we could cut to a crowd scene with the story breaking on the big SONY monitor in Times Square. We also had developed a rather cool technique to recreate NASA Mission Control that I hated to lose.
However, two things occurred: 1) we lost our Russian male actor; and, 2) we started looking closely at our set and realized that the ship wouldn't really work as a contemporary NASA-style space station. As we worked on casting a replacement for our Russian actor JDS remembered that he had gone to school with Todd Lowe and knew that he was no longer doing Gilmore Girls and was yet to begin shooting his HBO series. Jack called Todd and he agreed to jump on board. With the whole Russian/American conflict discarded we realized that a whole new interesting dynamic would arise by casting Tim Abell as Ana's husband.
Frankly, this is the kind of stuff that is worth spun gold to me. As film makers we are really god-like in our ability to create these worlds from nothing. By going through the process of developing the original script into what you see on the screen now, we really learned an amazing amount. I give a whole bunch of credit to Tim, who always seems able to see the bigger picture and is more than willing to "kill off our babies" if it will serve the story or allow us to move the ball towards finishing a production in time.
disjecta
06-22-2008, 09:35 AM
So if you walked into a room with 2 dead friends lying there... the FIRST thing you'd do is watch the TV before looking at them to assess the situation?
Don't take this the wrong way... your thoughtful critique was obviously appreciated... and this isn't even my film, but I actually considered that pause and stare to be perfect... like he's understanding what happened and trying to process it before watching the video (which I assumed he was already planning to do)... I actually called Tim about this prior to the release and complimented him on the pacing of that moment, because it's the point where the whole story flips... and a lot is riding on the character of Trevor for the audience... I thought that part was very logical.
Okay, I want to be real clear on my point and then I want to move on because I really don't want this to dominate the thread of a really good film.
You are totally misunderstanding my point. What I felt in that scene is that he noticed the video screen too quickly and almost mechanically went to it instead of showing a slow realization that there was something he needed to see...it's just a subtle thing in terms of how the actor portrays this. It has nothing to do with when he sees it, it has everything to do with how he recognizes it when he does.
I can't make it any plainer than that. So let's just move on and assume it's just my issue seeing as no one else seems to have had the same reaction. :beer:
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 09:38 AM
Oh oh, .... Disjecta is seething now. Those ducks are going to have hell to pay.
Arrik
06-22-2008, 09:55 AM
We even had gone so far as to have "seething" Mike Hechanova shoot footage in Times Square and at NBC where he was working so that we could cut to a crowd scene with the story breaking on the big SONY monitor in Times Square.
I give a whole bunch of credit to Tim, who always seems able to see the bigger picture and is more than willing to "kill off our babies"
Hyten killed off my babies.... damn him.
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 10:00 AM
Seethe, Mike. .... SEETHE LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEETHED BEFORE!
disjecta
06-22-2008, 10:02 AM
Seethe, yes, Seethe, damnit....
Texture
06-22-2008, 11:17 AM
Hey guys,
I think you're gonna have to rename your production company "Phat Monster" after this one.
Incredible effort in every way...
Best wishes for the Gold!
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 11:29 AM
Erik,
Thanks so much for the note. I hope we can work with you down the road. Your stuff is pristine, dude. Amazing stuff and I'm happy to now have your site bookmarked.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 11:48 AM
Michael, we appreciate SO MUCH your comments and suggestions. I've come to truly respect your work so that thoughtful analysis from you is a very much appreciated gift. I wish you could have been hanging with us during some of our preproduction meetings so that you could be privy to the interesting discussions we had along the lines you have brought up. Also, I must tell you that I have not yet watched "The Watchman" and I am anticipating doing so today. The films came out while I was on the road north and I'm still up here in San Jose trying to give every film a careful view in between my work obligations.
Mark, you're a class act. I would have loved to have sat in on those meetings.
Just to observe would have been a pleasure and an honour. I'm sure I would have learned so much.
Hope you like The Watchman.
Edit: Just read your review in my thread. Glad you liked it! :)
Cheers,
Mike
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 12:46 PM
To say I liked it is modest. I loved your work dude. I gotta also say I especially enjoyed the IM transcript Ben posted. Priceless!
I'm getting ready to watch their film with great anticipation. Gotta get another latte .... then on with the show....
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 12:54 PM
To say I liked it is modest. I loved your work dude. I gotta also say I especially enjoyed the IM transcript Ben posted. Priceless!
I'm getting ready to watch their film with great anticipation. Gotta get another latte .... then on with the show....Thanks again! I quoted you in my sig BTW. :)
If you don't want it there just PM me and I'll remove it. No problem.
Yah, that late night transcript was hilarious. :D
Cheers!
Mike
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 01:05 PM
I'm honored. You created a great film and I hope everybody watches it to see that great camera work and editing.
Kholi
06-22-2008, 01:09 PM
Now we're all just wondering when you guys are going to go out and make the first Fat Monster feature film... so get to it already!
You hear this GUYS!? Put down the Latte's and pick up the (virtual) pencils.
Time to write, right?
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 01:18 PM
You hear this GUYS!? Put down the Latte's and pick up the (virtual) pencils.
Time to write, right?
We've been working on this for awhile but haven't been talking about it. This week we did actually get a big part of the funding nailed down so that the Fat Monster feature is more than the sparkle in Luis's eye at last! Needless to say, we're enthused and we'll look forward to reporting on our progress as we move forward.
clarkage
06-22-2008, 01:23 PM
I thought this film was great! Everything was perfect! (well duh, its fat monster...) The setting was absolutely amazing! My mom walked in and thought I was watching star trek on my computer. haha
Great job guys! Can't wait to see what you do next!
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 01:35 PM
My mom walked in and thought I was watching star trek on my computer.
THANKS Man!!!! If I get around to putting a testimonial under my banner this is going to be it!
Horncastle
06-22-2008, 02:03 PM
We've been working on this for awhile but haven't been talking about it. This week we did actually get a big part of the funding nailed down so that the Fat Monster feature is more than the sparkle in Luis's eye at last! Needless to say, we're enthused and we'll look forward to reporting on our progress as we move forward.
Great news Mark, we'll all be cheering you on. I'll get round to comments on O2 soon, promise. Oh, and I think Clarkage is also a great addition to the forum!
Oomshakalakabob
06-22-2008, 03:18 PM
Sir, may I say that your short film was amazing. As one of those people that occasionally critique movies, usually in the movie theatre while the previews are going, I have to say, TWO thumbs Way up!
Also, your set is amazing, I loved, and still do love the t.v. show Firefly, so much in fact that I bought, sadly, the only season they made, PLUS, the Firefly movie, Serenity.
Now for technical appreciations.
The lighting was beautiful
The attention to detail, ie sweat on the actors, little whisps of smoke. Loved it.
The beautiful story, beginning, middle and end.
The sacrifice the captain and his wife gave, great, I feared that there was going to be one of those 'blah zay blah' Indie Film endings where he just dies. I so appreciate movies with self sacrifice. Sometimes I think it's the only way to show real love in film.
Again, thank you.
Kenn aKa Enoch aKa The Gun Kicker Person Guy
ConspiracyPenguin
06-22-2008, 04:02 PM
We've been working on this for awhile but haven't been talking about it. This week we did actually get a big part of the funding nailed down so that the Fat Monster feature is more than the sparkle in Luis's eye at last! Needless to say, we're enthused and we'll look forward to reporting on our progress as we move forward.
Woohoo! If you need any help with it, let me know! (Did I already say that? I can't remember. Maybe I just really want to help that bad...)
jasonthewho
06-22-2008, 04:32 PM
Great film. Awesome location, great effects work, great acting, great story, great ending.
A few moments seemed a little iffy writing-wise. But I think the acting was strong enough to make the lines work. I have to admit that for whatever reason I wasn't the hugest fan of the "Critical Depletion" screen. It seems like something created for a movie about a ship losing oxygen, not like a real warning message. I think that it's a little too artful looking.
Know that I'm just nitpicking. I LOVED this film. Oh, and this is almost pathetic, but... the ending made me cry.
Rakesh Jacob
06-22-2008, 04:41 PM
Dude!!! F-ing EPIC!!!!!!
Noel Evans
06-22-2008, 07:06 PM
Mark and crew. I went out on a shoot yesterday and was thinking about your piece on the way. Just wanted to say how glad I was you did this short, it really inspired me to lift my game. There are no quick corners for me anymore. Now yesterday was helping on someone elses short because I can get reciprocal assistance in the future, I ended up doing grip and all the sound. But I made what I did perfect - the sound was the best stuff I had ever done in narrative. (I dont want to do sound - but just a point). Seriously, it was just right on the money. Not gloating about that, I just wanted to point out that you guys have influenced me to push it to the next level. Which is great in more ways than one - this is my day job.
Blaine
06-22-2008, 09:03 PM
Oh, and this is almost pathetic, but... the ending made me cry.Watching this scene unfold on set I felt it very possible that it would produce this reaction...it was touching during the recording, too. You never know at the time but your instincts tell you it's a possibility. It's always reassuring to find out that the scene plays out the way you hoped it would...:Drogar-Happy(DBG):
sean90291
06-22-2008, 09:06 PM
Who directed O2? Who wrote it? I didn't see any credits.
Blaine
06-22-2008, 09:09 PM
Tim Hyten directed it. Mark Johnson came up with the story idea and then he co-wrote it with Jack Stanley. I know it's hard to see but it's on the poster in the first post.
NateCaauwe
06-22-2008, 09:16 PM
Great work guys, I was definitely proud to work on this on such short notice, and look forward to working with you more in a couple short weeks :D I've been skimming over the reviews and must say the biggest compliment to me personally has been the total lack of any mention of my shots, just the way a ninja's work should be received ;-)
The cinematography and sound mixing really stand out for me...and the set...and the story...and the acting...hell, it's all around a great film :)
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 09:49 PM
I've been skimming over the reviews and must say the biggest compliment to me personally has been the total lack of any mention of my shots, just the way a ninja's work should be received ;-)
What were your shots exactly? Just curious.
Cheers,
Mike
Slimothy
06-22-2008, 10:23 PM
What were your shots exactly? Just curious.
Cheers,
Mike
A magician never shows his tricks!!
Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-22-2008, 10:26 PM
A magician never shows his tricks!!
Then how does he get hired by someone else? :D
Not that I could ever do that. :)
No problem, I like the mystique.
Cheers!
Mike
NateCaauwe
06-22-2008, 10:32 PM
What were your shots exactly? Just curious.
In line with being a ninja, I'd have to kill you afterward :violent5: I'm sure it won't be too long before I update my reel with O2 shots, I'll have to see if Mark wants me to hold off for a little while or not.
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 10:34 PM
When the fest is over I will definitely reveal Nate's shots because they deserve to be appreciated. The guy is a monster in every sense of the word and he's going to be joining us here in L.A. shortly. ... Yeah, Nate. Hold off and we'll put together a real sweet sequence that shows before/after.
triplej96
06-22-2008, 11:06 PM
Just watched it, WOW. When it first started I had to make sure I was on the dvxuser timefest page and not apple trailers. Just amazing work! Highlights for me was the cinemtagraphy, lighting, cc, cg....ok so everything.
I would love to see some Behind the scenes stuff.
Mark Johnson
06-22-2008, 11:37 PM
I would love to see some Behind the scenes stuff.
I would hate to have to go back into this thread to find stuff myself so I kept a couple links that people might enjoy:
http://vimeo.com/1098586
And here's some great BTS pics from the shoot:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=113
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=110
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=116
Gary Sconce
06-22-2008, 11:39 PM
What a set! I loved how you integrated the lighting and the blocking to add interest to the shots.
What can I say? Wonderful! :D
That was a perfect wave... :engel017: Kawabunga!
triplej96
06-22-2008, 11:39 PM
Thanks Mark.
I would hate to have to go back into this thread to find stuff myself so I kept a couple links that people might enjoy:
http://vimeo.com/1098586
And here's some great BTS pics from the shoot:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=113
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=110
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=116
MattinSTL
06-22-2008, 11:50 PM
Who directed O2? Who wrote it? I didn't see any credits.
Just read some of Mark's posts through this thread... if that dude can't write then nobody can. He's got better command of the english language then Shakespeare... he could charm the pants off of any woman, or back on again if the situation calls for it.
Tim freaked me out... I think that movies are in a weird place right now, where some great sh*t is coming from young guys... nobody in Hollywood still makes the assumption that age = wisdom, because so many blockbusters come from young dudes now. I've never witnessed anybody direct better then this guy.
Everybody out there knew when to :cheesy: and when to :lipsrseal
Matt Sconce
06-23-2008, 12:08 AM
O2 is an amazing accomplishment. When I heard that many of the Dvxuser's I admire were teaming up I was excited but the final product blew me away. The set added SO much to the production value and the acting was excellent. Your older lead was freakin amazing. The CGI worked for me in most parts, and I loved the ending. Each person involved in this should be so very proud. You have formed a great team that has made an amazing short film!
ConspiracyPenguin
06-23-2008, 12:44 AM
Mark, thanks for the BTS stuff...taking a look now. Why didn't you want to look back in the thread, it's not that much.
EDIT: Holy shit! 200 pages!?
EDIT 2: I am not that inept, I knew that. The above edit was a joke. In fact, it never was an edit, I did it in the original post. Now I have ruined the comedy aspect of it for you all, so sorry.
Just read some of Mark's posts through this thread... if that dude can't write then nobody can. He's got better command of the english language then Shakespeare... he could charm the pants off of any woman, or back on again if the situation calls for it...
Word! I wish I had that ability. :cry:
...Tim freaked me out... I think that movies are in a weird place right now, where some great sh*t is coming from young guys... nobody in Hollywood still makes the assumption that age = wisdom, because so many blockbusters come from young dudes now. I've never witnessed anybody direct better then this guy.
Everybody out there knew when to :cheesy: and when to :lipsrseal
Funny, Mark and I were just discussing this yesterday. Age doesn't correlate with talent at all, and I think it is great that people realize that. (Not just because I am young myself :grin:)
bosindy
06-23-2008, 12:59 AM
I would hate to have to go back into this thread to find stuff myself so I kept a couple links that people might enjoy:
http://vimeo.com/1098586
And here's some great BTS pics from the shoot:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=113
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=110
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=126789&page=116
ha ha I forgot about that wrap party video. My head hurts just looking at it. Kyle did a great job on that.
Mark Johnson
06-23-2008, 01:24 AM
There's a pic on that video of you, Jim, holding out the slate like you're flagging a NASCAR winner. Its one of my favorites as is the b&w one of you and Hudson.
My only complaint is that the damn video makes me look like I can't chug a beer. Jeeszhus!