What are you looking forward to seeing this year at NAB?

[Kit Hannah]

Hey All, anybody have any things they are specifically looking to see at NAB this year? The first place I am stopping is the Panasonic Booth....

[Barry_Green]

Red Scarlet, any updates to the HVX, any news on that little DVX-looking AVC-HD cam...

[Jason Adams]

I think this is going to be a big year for cameras.

Think of all the time we will have this year with no Apple or Avid.

[ilauzirika]

I think this is going to be a big year for cameras.



I hope, I'm saving for a camera so I want to know which will be the new generation of cameras (if there is new generation), so that I can buy something next year.

[aw grasshopper]

I have noticed that some big vendors are pulling out of NAB. Besides AVID and Apple, has anyone heard of any other big vendors pulling out, for instance is Sony planning a big presence? I am thinking of going to NAB this year. I have not been since 2005 so I wonder if it is still a fun place to go for those of us with one camera and lots of ambition!

Grasshopper

[Kit Hannah]

Alright, nice to see everyone finally posting in this forum. Just because 2 companies pulled out (albiet big companies), I don't think it's going to affect the show that much. There will still be hundreds of large vendors there. I'm sure that Sony will have a large presence there as they will probably showcase the newer lines on the XDCAM with it's huge popularity.

The strange thing is that I have not heard a lot of buzz about many new products coming, so that either means that they're not coming or they are just doing a better job of keeping them under wraps.

I'm actually looking forward to Nnovia releasing DVCPRO HD support for their recorders - I think once they do that, they are going to be huge as they fit much better into the streamlined look and functionality of professional systems.

I'm also going to go talk to the Sony Software guys and let them know that we may be jumping ship to another NLE because they still refuse to support DVCPRO HD. Raylight is ok, but I want true support real time without needing 3rd party software.

[TedRR]

I love NAB. Even if some vendors are missing, the people you get to network with are awesome.

I'll be at the Panasonic booth for sure. I want to see what my next camera will be. :)
I'll also be spending a lot of time at the NewTek booth.
Their NLE, SpeedEDIT, handles our beloved .mxf files and makes editing fun again!!!
We just got their TriCaster as well and it opens up a whole new world of Revenue for our business. Easy multi-camera productions AND money.
They are a very non-conventional and fun company to hang out with.
Sorry if I sound like I pimp them often, it's just that they are so under-recognized and make such great production tools. Can you tell I am passionate about production tools? :2vrolijk_08:
Hope to see some of you guys at their booth since most of you had your date pull out on you. :laugh:

Yeh, NAB is still a great place to hang out. and hey, it's in VEGAS BABY! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) See ya there!

[Barry_Green]

I'm also going to go talk to the Sony Software guys and let them know that we may be jumping ship to another NLE because they still refuse to support DVCPRO HD. Raylight is ok, but I want true support real time without needing 3rd party software.
Yeah, I *love* Vegas software but that part's extremely irritating and worse, it's indicative of a new mindset that's not oriented towards the user. I've bought or demo'ed every major NLE on the market; I think the one that's going to "stick" is Premiere Pro CS3 or EDIUS. EDIUS is fantastic with P2, PPCS3 is almost as good but it also includes After Effects and PhotoShop in the suite and integrates together; I think either is excellent for P2 work. Plus CS3 works with the Blackmagic Intensity Pro card, which is pretty cool.

So, it may be time to A friend of mine says that Vegas stands for "Virtually Everyone's Going Away, Sony." Too bad, because it's a great editor.

[Barry_Green]

Their NLE, SpeedEDIT, handles our beloved .mxf files and makes editing fun again!!!
SpeedEdit is really cool and it does have native MXF support for MXF files, well worth a look.

[Barry_Green]

Oh, and a bunch of Panasonic press releases just hit. The "new DVX" is called the HMC150; it looks like they've taken an HVX and made it record to SD cards instead of P2 cards. One single 32GB SD card can hold up to 12 hours of footage! Of course, it's AVC-HD instead of DVCPRO-HD, but for those who are comfortable with HDV or XDCAM then they should be thrilled with AVC-HD. No mention of variable frame rates but it does 1080i, 1080p and 720p and it's NTSC/PAL switchable too.

Also they've updated the 17" monitor, adding pixel-to-pixel monitoring and a vectorscope in addition to the waveform monitor.

And, they announced the 64GB P2 card, which should become available "in the fall."

[ilauzirika]

The "new DVX" is called the HMC150
"

Let's see how it comes, I'm really interested, as this can be the camera I was looking for, read my previous post.

[William_Robinette]

Scarlet.

[siniarch]

Barry,

I hear ya about PremierPro and Edius. Premier Pro has never been as responsive as Edius to me. I like Premier because all the plugins you can get and the interface is so familiar and the connectivity with all the Adobe Suite.

But Edius is so damn responsive and clean. Unfortunately, I find Edius lacks in options when you want to do sophisticated edits. I hate that you cannot undo things while inside the filter menus, or their keyframes only work on certain effects. 12 bit would be nice also. Better color correcting, and better audio.

I really hope Edius gets an overhaul on their software (yes even more so than in 4.5) and they start getting serious about taking on the big players.

[dvpixl]

HMC150... why the hefty price tag?

But as far as a camera for work goes, this is what I've been waiting for....

[mcgeedigital]

Backup solutions. If there isn't anything else compelling I'm getting the Quantum DLT600a. Not sexy but GREATLY needed.

Scarlet, of course.

Jib arms...this will be the year I finally get one...we'll see if I can get any more info on the ones I like.

AE plugins/FcPro plugins

I'm sure this list will be 5 times bigger by the time I get there.

I'm going early for the DP conference...anyone else?

[Barry_Green]

HMC150... why the hefty price tag?
WHAT hefty price tag? no price tag has been mentioned by the company at ALL yet.

[Zak Forsman]

three things...

1. Scarlet
2. then also, there's a new camera from Red I want to see
3. and then this new 2K pocket pro camera I heard about too

but that's it. just those three.

[Kegan]

Unfortunately, I won't be there, but I'm with Zak on this one - Scarlet's probably the only thing I want to see from NAB. The "new DVX" could be interesting, but I'm fine with my XH-A1 for a while. The Scarlet could be a whole different game and that's why I'm looking forward to it.

-Kegan

[dvpixl]

WHAT hefty price tag? no price tag has been mentioned by the company at ALL yet.

oh... I guess I was reading something else.

Barry, think this would be around $3500?

[seejay1031]

1. Scarlet
2. Panasonic (Mildly interested in the 150, but Panasonic has said its not the replacement for the HVX, but has NOT said there won't be a replacement... thats interesting)
3. Adobe (with Avid and Apple away maybe its time to release their super secret Adobe Master Suite CS4 or (CS64)... how far off could 64 bit software be? Could you imagine if the suite was fully 64 bit, supporting as many cores as you could throw at as well as 128 gigs of RAM... that would be a historic upgrade)

[Jason Adams]

I am looking forward to setting up my ibook and and a poster that says apple in the middle of the floor and having everyone say...Hey that apple booth is really sad this year.

[ilauzirika]

I am looking forward to setting up my ibook and and a poster that says apple in the middle of the floor and having everyone say...Hey that apple booth is really sad this year.

great idea:laugh:

[TedRR]

That's funny! I'd love to see a few hundred people doing that. I guarantee that picture would get published in NAB Daily and likely Nightly News. :grin:
Call it the Jason gang. :)

[Robert Eldon]

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Panasonic has. I hope to see the HMC150 (I think that's the new DVX replacement) and I hope that there is an upgraded version of the HVX.

I'll probably check out Sony's EX since I didn't get to it while I was at DV Expo in L.A.

I am also looking forward to seeing Red's Scarlett.

[chstick]

I hope that there is an upgraded version of the HVX.


I too am looking forward to seeing SOMETHING from Panasonic. Namely an HVX-200a or an HVX-300 (w/ a 1/2" CCD chipset.....well, i guess a little dreaming never hurt). I mean they gotta show something, right? The HVX users have been clamoring for over a year and now the Sony EX1 has many HVX owners jumping ship. I want to see Pannys answer.

[Noel Evans]

three things...

1. Scarlet
2. then also, there's a new camera from Red I want to see
3. and then this new 2K pocket pro camera I heard about too

but that's it. just those three.

Same.

[Loren Simons]

I'm looking forward to redrock! Man come on they are releasing their long awaited matte box there!

[siniarch]

I'm with you Macaholic, the RR matte box, though I can't afford it just yet. and I'm really hoping for the RR Remote Follow Focus. (though I'm not sure it that will be out by NAB.)
Those guys are awesome, I don't know how they do it.

[Leo Versola]

Stuff I'd like to check out:

1) RED Scarlet (the anticipation and speculation is reaching ridiculous proportions)
2) Anything related to an HVX200 successor from Panasonic
3) Anything about a solid state successor to the XH-A1 from Canon
4) Cineform recorder
5) Cinevate Follow Focus
6) Cinevate dolly system

[Concept89]

Red Scarlet, any updates to the HVX, any news on that little DVX-looking AVC-HD cam...

Just a tidbit if it hasn't been mentioned, that AVCHD cam that looks like a downgraded HVX/DVX is called the HMC-150.

[Concept89]

Let's see how it comes, I'm really interested, as this can be the camera I was looking for, read my previous post.

Whoops never mind. I'm wayyy late haha

[alexm13]

no apple this year :(

[James H.]

Apple is focused on iPhone right now, and I noticed some pretty impressive video distribution capabilities coming, but just apps to present their new SDK... look for Apple at NAB 2009, most likely pumping some iPhone-oriented distribution models... and I'm sure they'll have some new software we'll all love to put on our dream Xserve cluster.

[James H.]

I'm going to be evaluating 35mm lens adapters for my HVX... they all seem so similar in performance based on what I read in the forums, it must just be a personal preference style decision... and we have a lot of commercials to shoot this summer, so about time I get one.

[rawfa]

Red Scarlet, any updates to the HVX, any news on that little DVX-looking AVC-HD cam...

To sum it up.

[Noel Evans]

To sum it up.

Same for me. Looking for that next small format tapeless cam to replace the A1 and to compliment the HPX - has to have images just as pretty.

[Jim Brennan]

I want to see the next generation of Flos and LEDs for starters. My guess is that there will be twice as many vendors with those this year.

I know Apple won't be there, but I want to talk to some AJA and Matrox people (and whoever else I can find) about setting up workflow/monitoring/data storage for the RED.

Then I want to peek at the Scarlet, and see what new stuff Panny has to offer.

[Look 1st]

Red Scarlet, any updates to the HVX, any news on that little DVX-looking AVC-HD cam...

ditto on that as well!!

Also looking for updates from Red Rock (ones that will actually ship THIS year guys :P )

[Oedipax]

Apart from the obvious (Scarlet and anything else Red is doing), I really hope we see a new wave of small LCD monitors for production. I've been debating whether or not to just go ahead and buy something like the Ikan V-8000 but I think I'm going to wait and see if anything at NAB really shakes up the market. Some of the homegrown projects I've seen suggest to me that there's a lot of room for innovation and delivering a lot more quality for a lot less cost than is currently happening. At least, I hope so.

[BobDiaz]

First stop, Panasonic: I really want to see the HMC150 and find out more about it.

Things I would hope to discover about it:

(1) Under $4,000 list price.

(2) Same or upgraded CCDs as the HVX-200. Thus, images just like the HVX-200.

(3) Higher bit rate recording mode of at least 20 Mbps (even better, 24 Mbps).

(4) There's a choice between Dolby Digital (AC-3) 64 -> 640 kbps compressed and Linear PCM 1.5 Mbps. It would be very nice to have uncompressed audio.

(5) Time Lapse & Single Frame offered.

(6) Ability to play a clip and the split second you hit RECORD, the camera switches to record mode. (Unlike the Sony EX-1 that requires a re-boot.)



Bob Diaz

[tjpowers]

Final Cut Server!!!

Just because they don't have a booth doesn't mean Apple isn't going to be in Vegas :)

[lucidz]

I will be exhibiting in NAB this year, like always :)

[Jokerswild]

I can't go but would like to hear more about the Firestore type device from Sony that records on Compact Flash cards (for my A1) and also what Firestore is "up to", something new!!!

[mvb]

DVFilm/Raylight and Marcus van Bavel will be at NAB April 10+11 with a suite at the Planet Hollywood if anyone would like to drop by. We're not exhibiting but participating in Panasonic's video round-up of P2 vendors and also holding a mini-conference on Raylight. We will be presenting Raylight for Mac and introducing two new products, Raylight MXFX for Mac and Raylight ULTRA.

[Dennis Wood]

Cinevate will be there, and we'll be unveiling two of our "skunkworks" projects. If you're shopping for a 35mm lens adapter, you'll want to drop by.

[William_Robinette]

Ohh, sounds like fun Dennis, I'll definitely be dropping by.

[Postmaster]

Cineform Recorder!
Cineform Recorder!
Cineform Recorder!
Cineform Recorder!
Cineform Recorder!

Frank

[doondoon]

I hope Panasonic improves upon the HVX-200.

Hi Resolution LCD
HD-SDI
Focus Peaking
More light sensitive ! Less Noise
AVC-INTRA ??????

[Robert Eldon]

Cinevate will be there, and we'll be unveiling two of our "skunkworks" projects. If you're shopping for a 35mm lens adapter, you'll want to drop by.

Dennis,

Will this be your first year at NAB? I don't remember seeing you there before? If so, I would definitely like to stop by and see your products first hand and hands on!

[peterschramm]

I heard from a Panasonic dealer in Vancouver that Panasonic will launch a tapeless HVX-200 at NAB 2008 and that Panasonic will no longer make HVX's with Mini-DV tape recording. If I want to have tape recording option, I need to purchase before NAB. Do you know more about this? How much will "tapeless" HVX be?

[Nick Royer]

Probably same price ($6000). I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I don't think that many people use the tape drive anyway. Hopefully they will put a better LCD on the 200a.

[Jim Brennan]

I hope they don't do that. I like having the tape option when I shoot SD. I think there are other things they can do to improve it, like 1/2" chips.

[TedRR]

I'll second the benefit of having the tape drive as well. We don't use it a lot, but this past week we landed a shoot that had to be on mini-DV.
Of course, I might trade the deck for larger CCD's. :)

But wait, there will be no 200a-b-c so this is all for not.

[Nick Royer]

Is there a way they could make the tape deck be able to record HDV? That would be awesome.

[Cees Mutsaers]

I think there will be no update/upgrade of the HVX200 at all else we would have heard some kind of info (there is always a leak in an organisation as big as Panasonic).

[PaPa]

Wish i had the money to go down and check this stuff out.

No such thing in canada huh? Cmmon Dennis, put something together for us Canukian folk.

[New_Zealand]

Is it true that at the end of NAB they sell off cameras and etc... that they used for displays?

[dregenthal]

Is it true that at the end of NAB they sell off cameras and etc... that they used for displays?

Yes, and the wood they are made out of (balsa) is top flight . . . I'm thinking about ordering several, moving to Brooklyn and opening up an on-line store.

[New_Zealand]

Thats what I thought :-)

[Barry_Green]

I heard from a Panasonic dealer in Vancouver that Panasonic will launch a tapeless HVX-200 at NAB 2008 and that Panasonic will no longer make HVX's with Mini-DV tape recording.
Rumors abound about all sorts of things, but as far as I know Panasonic has never made any announcement of any such developments.

it's more likely that whoever told you that got their wires crossed and they were instead talking about the HMC150, which is a new camera that looks very much like an HVX200 and it does indeed not have a tape deck. But it doesn't use P2, it doesn't have variable frame rates, and we expect it will probably be quite a bit less expensive too. It is not a replacement for the HVX200 (Jan's already told us that.)


If I want to have tape recording option, I need to purchase before NAB.
Or, perhaps the rumor is untrue and you can buy after NAB. Or even if that rumor turned out to be true, you could always buy used as well.


Do you know more about this? How much will "tapeless" HVX be?
Nobody knows anything about this, as far as Panasonic's public announcements there is no such thing and as such, there's nothing known about it. It's all rumors and hearsay until a press release gets announced. Any press releases should happen on April 13th, as that's when Panasonic's NAB press conference is scheduled.

[Barry_Green]

Is it true that at the end of NAB they sell off cameras and etc... that they used for displays?
No, usually not -- I think the NAB rules even specifically say "no selling on the show floor" (not sure about that). But dealers like Spec-Comm will frequently buy up "B-stock" units and sell those. I would guess that the demo units at NAB will either be used for future shows or sold to the dealers as B-stock.

[Bruce Morgan]

I am hoping to purchase a new hi def camera(10 k is my budget ) for use with my clients who use standard and hight definition .
Another issue is
we still shot 35mm in my company and the price of scanning out is at thsi time 700 per hour and in one hour long session the out put is ten minutes of hi def video
ill hope someone or some company at NAB has a product-solution focusing on this issue .
I hear alarming things about Vegas which I dont understand .
meanwhile all the pros are saying its all about using Avid and FCP
yet Adobe hangs in there and for private projects ,I find it very usefull .
My target is a sony camera but Panasonic appears to be coming up with some new units of great interest .
Of course i which to know all
about Scarlet .
I have associates in Las Vegas who will hopefully write about my one issue that concerns me
The cost of onboard 9portable )camera memory storage -the price just is not coming down !!!
Any comments are appreciated .
Cheers
Bruce

Nab

[TedRR]

HVX does SD and HD very well and in all flavors.

I've been doing professional Broadcast for 30 years and we moved exclusively to VT and SpeedEDIT for the last 5-6 years. I usually edit with clients and SpeedEDIT can "speed" through editing as fast as clients can change their minds! Well, almost :) So not all the "Pros" use AVID or FCP. :)

The price of "camera memory storage" has dropped by half and nearly half again just in the time we've owned our HVX. Trust me, it is dropping.
I wish you luck with your search.

[siniarch]

Hey guys,

I'm going to be attending, so if anyone wants to see the Carrion, stop by the Redrock Micro Booth at NAB. they are going to be showing it. (and it will have the new anti-glare coating) I will probably hang around there for a little bit also, and will be carrying a demo to show people around.

Wohhooo. so much fun.

Feel free to PM me if you want to meet.

Thanks,

Luis

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

Sweet! I wanted to see the Carrion, good to know it'll be there.

[siniarch]

Don't mean to spoil the surprise, but the Redrock Micro Shoulder Mount looks pretty sweet. ;)

[BobDiaz]

JUST IN TIME FOR NAB!!!!!!
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f103/KQ6WQ/harddrive.jpg

The IBM 350 was part of the IBM RAMAC 305 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_305), the computer that introduced disk storage technology to the world. IBM introduced the IBM 350 storage unit on September 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_4), 1956 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956) before unveiling the entire RAMAC 305 computer nine days later on September 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_13).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#cite_note-2) RAMAC stood for "Random Access Method of Accounting and Control." Its design was motivated by the need to replace the punched card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card) tub file (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tub_file) used by most businesses of the time. The 350 stored 5 million 7-bit (6-bits plus 1 odd parity bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_bit)) characters (about 4.4 megabytes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte)).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#cite_note-3) It had fifty 24-inch (610 mm) diameter disks with 100 recording surfaces. Each surface had 100 tracks. The disks spun at 1200 RPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM). Data transfer rate was 8,800 characters per second. Two independent access arms moved up and down to select a disk and in and out to select a recording track, all under servo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servomechanism) control. A third arm was added as an option. Several improved models were added in the 1950s. The IBM RAMAC 305 system with 350 disk storage leased for $3,200 per month. The 350 was officially withdrawn in 1969. The 350's cabinet was 60 inches (approx. 1.52 meters) long, 68 inches (approx. 1.72 meters) high and 29 inches (approx. 74 centimeters) deep. IBM had a strict rule that all its products must pass through a standard 29.5 inch (approx. 75 centimeters) doorway. Since the 350's platters were mounted horizontally, this rule presumably dictated the maximum diameter of the disks.
In an interview[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#cite_note-4) published in the Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal), Currie Munce, research vice president for Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Global_Storage_Technologies), which acquired the IBM's storage business, said the entire RAMAC unit weighed over a ton and had to be moved around with forklifts and delivered via large cargo airplanes. According to Munce, while the storage capacity of the drive could have been increased above five megabytes, the marketing department at IBM was against a larger capacity drive because they didn't know how to sell a product with more storage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage

OK, so it won't be at NAB and rumor has it that we will find something somewhat better, but it's hard to believe that anyone could ever improve on a unit like this...:laugh:

I'm only 1 week late from April first...


Bob Diaz

[Cees Mutsaers]

If there will be an update of the HVX200 at all I expect at most the following :

improved LCD with flip frame
HD-SDI
improved noise reduction algoritm
and maybe some minor optimalisation in the menues


I don't expect :

other CCDs
removal of tape drive
interchangable lens
no AVC-HD

since this would mean a complete new camera.

[Bruce Morgan]

i Think there might be a time traveler looking for that 1956 ibm !!!!

[siniarch]

Hey guys,

for those not attending, here is a copy of the postcard I will be handing out about the CARRION. Hope you like it.

thanks for looking,

Luis

[mcgeedigital]

Cool, looks good Luis, I will see you there @ the redrock micro booth!