720/24PN or 30PN?

[bhima2100]

I recently purchased an HVX200 and have been watching Noah Kadner's excellent DVD on P2 Workflow. I has answered many of the questions I had about working in P2. One thing I am still not clear about. Noah is very enthusiastic about shooting 720/24PN. My understanding is that this is primarily for projects to be transfered to film. Is there any advantage to shooting 24PN as oposed to 30PN for projects that will probably remain in video?

[David Jimerson]

All the same advantages apply.

[Shane Ross]

If you deliver a 29.97 master and you want the "film look," shoot 30p. 24PN is for film, DVD and high end HD delivery.

[Jason Ramsey]

Well, if you want the film look, shoot 24p and deliver 29.97 master with pulldown, like most tv commercials, dramas on tv, and films that get aired on tv.

If you want something that's *kinda* close to the film cadence, or don't care about the "film look" then you could shoot 30p and deliver.

Later,
Jason

[David Jimerson]

If you deliver a 29.97 master and you want the "film look," shoot 30p. 24PN is for film, DVD and high end HD delivery.

No. It just isn't so. It's a myth.

You can edit 24pN footage as 24p and then deliver the footage in any format you want. Inserting pulldown for 29.97 master delivery when you export is as simple as clicking a checkbox, at its most difficult.

30p isn't the same as 24p. It doesn't look the same. It doesn't move the same. It isn't the same. If you want 24p, shoot 24p, and don't worry about your delivery while you shoot, because all the delivery options are still there.

[David Saraceno]

Insert pulldown for 29.97 by clicking WHAT button?

[Barry_Green]

Guys, every movie on television you've ever seen is 24p with pulldown. Any professional television commercial you've seen is 24p with pulldown. Any film-shot commercial or, heck, any film-shot anything you've seen on television is 24p with pulldown (yes there are a few instances where film was shot 29.97 but frankly I've never seen one).

Any film-looking television show, any network drama, anything that has the film look is shot 24p and delivered on 29.97. Shooting 24p and delivering 29.97 is something that's done every day by thousands and thousands of producers.

I was shooting 24p, editing in a 24p sequence, and delivering 29.97 the day I got my DVX in 2003. Why is it in any way a question in 2008? Is this an FCP thing? In Vegas you finish your edit and you tell it to render out your master, and you select "24p with 2:3 pulldown." That was five years ago, surely every editor supports such an easy export option!

[David Jimerson]

Insert pulldown for 29.97 by clicking WHAT button?

You've got a whole list of NTSC or 59.94 export templates to choose from in FCP. Choose one of them.

[David Saraceno]

May be I'm missing something David, but I know about the export options (not templates) from FCP.

The question related to inserting pulldown.

We haven't had to take to tape yet, and none the "export templates' in FCP provide an "insert pulldown" election as part of the process.

That was the impetus for my query.

[David Jimerson]

In order to put 24p into a 59.94 stream, pulldown must be inserted. So, when you render as NTSC or another 59.94 format, pulldown is automatically put in.

Now, you might not get pulldown FLAGS included in the stream for automatic pulldown removal later (and in fact, you most likely won't unless you specifically choose it, if the option is available), but the pulldown itself will be there, and you don't need the flags for rendering a master anyway.

[David Saraceno]

Thanks and that was helpful.

I trusted that it was helpful, but no info was readily available in FCP.