The RED Scarlet [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

Ryan Patrick O'Hara

01-03-2008, 02:18 AM

Scarlett? Well frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Nah, just kidding, I'm always open to new cams. This won't be the 'death' of anything but just the continuation of the evolving camera world. Looking forward to hearing more than a name. :)

Edit: I thought of that lame joke before reading it several posts into the red forum... cliche is cliche, huh? :)

USLatin

01-04-2008, 07:27 PM

I just wish there was some sort of release date rumor out there... I have been wondering if I should re-consider getting the Brevis + Lenses cause if Scarlet has a Nikon mount (which is 99.9% likely) then I might want to hold off on the Brevis... plus I might want to reconsider my other purchases based on accessories, ports and other work flow related hardware needs...

...so I wonder... will it be a year? more?!? or is there any chance for a 6-month-ish release... not likely, that's for sure... but a higher dynamic range, possible S16-ish quality and pro design makes me scared of making up my mind when my production company is still at the infancy stages.

EDIT: oh! and higher sensitivity! and lower noise! how could I forget that

Erik Olson

01-04-2008, 07:52 PM

mcgeedigital

01-04-2008, 07:55 PM

It seems like a profound distraction to getting RED One delivered and delivered right for those who have waited nearly two years in line.

Don't misread me - I'm all for what the Scarlet will likely deliver.

e

UNLESS, they were the ones who bought Reel Stream, hired Juan, and are leveraging (I love that word) his knowledge and technology to make the Scarlet....

William_Robinette

01-04-2008, 08:02 PM

I don't know...

The more I read posts made by those on the RED team the more I don't think this is the camera we are all waiting for.

I hope I am wrong, but I strongly think it is something other then a sub-10K, 2k, 35mm sensor camera that everyone seems to want.

LuckyStudio 13

01-04-2008, 08:19 PM

I just need it to be min

a) 2k
b) Customizable mounts (nikon, canon, pl ...etc).
c) 35mm sensor
d) TC in/out
e) Shoulder mount (very unlikely) ala JVC, XL-H1
f) Std IDX, AB, V battery
g) Under/Over cranking
h) Hig rez LCD

I even settled for 1k image if the above specs were a reality. I am tired of lugging around a oversized and "overlength-ed" 35mm "adapter-ed" camera.

USLatin

01-05-2008, 01:59 AM

I am just exited because I have quite high hopes that he has pockets deep enough and balls equal in size to decide to do a one two like in boxing... he is trying to get a name built from scratch. And this is something he's done before :)

Overland, I am with you. There is nothing but strategy in my eyes when I look at what the Red team does... well I also see some good technology development, but I look at their moves like those of a team being lead by an uber-successful, seasoned and capable entrepreneur.

So... this makes me thing that the Red One is the S35 sub $100k camera solution... so why not make a S16 sub... say $25-40k camera solution...

...then there will be two distinctive kits that would not kill each other. Now please don't tell me you could have a theater release filmed in 2k cause I know that... so does everyone else that has heard of 1080p getting screened, I am talking about the difference in budget from the perspective of production to production. There is a ton of overlap, but there are a million people that would go with the 4k package and would never consider shooting a particular project in 2k.

If you get what I am saying then don't you agree that there is a solid chance that we might be seeing a Misterium based 2k only body? And if it isn't based on Misterium well it still should be cool.

Drew Ott

01-05-2008, 02:06 AM

Kholi

01-05-2008, 11:08 AM

I'm with the guy who said something about Juan and Reel-Stream. That's what I asked on the RED forum, because it's quite a TIMELY freakin' deal that SCARLET gets official right after REEL-STREAM vanishes.

I'm willing to bet that we're about to see a 10k - 12k offering from the RED team that comes with your choice of mount (Nikon, PL) in a 2k, 1080, 720 high-speed Variable Frame rate deal.

Much few options, but those things that we all really want in an HVX form factor.

I'm waiting for someone to say that Juan's on the RED team now.

USLatin

01-05-2008, 12:11 PM

I don't know enough to have a gut feeling about whether he is or not. But you've been all over that hydra info so I am exited to hear you wondering about it. I was thinking they'd simply use Misterium and limit it to 2k, maybe even as low as 1080p with no framerate limitations. Then the little one would get the quality just not the big 4k which would be plenty to sell Red One to those that want it. However I'd be plenty happy with a Hydra-like 1/3"...

Hey... does anyone have a good argument to disount the posibility of it being a 2/3" in a small body....?!?

Kholi

01-05-2008, 12:16 PM

That was my guess, that it would be what Hydra was supposed to be.

My second? An HV20 style fixed-lens 24P cam begging for a LetusEX Mini to be strapped to it. RED version, which means it's probably killer enough for any-and-all work.

Handycam
1080p
24p - 60p Slow-Mo in Camera
CF based
Fixed-Lens with other lens options
Great Form Factor
On-board XLR audio options

Either one of the scenarios means nothing but good, and I'm going to NAB to find out (granted the time of course.)

Barry_Green

01-05-2008, 01:09 PM

I wouldn't expect that Juan is working at Red now. If he was, wouldn't we know it? Red's perhaps the most "open" company we've ever seen in this industry, and lots and lots of Red employees post at RedUser. So for Juan to have been snatched up by Red and then have it kept quiet seems a little unlikely. But if it was true, that'd be great news for both of 'em.

LuckyStudio 13

01-05-2008, 01:10 PM

If the Scarlet would have fixed 1/3", 1/2" or even 2/3" lens that *STILL* requires a 35mm adapter, then I am staying with my EX1.

USLatin

01-05-2008, 01:34 PM

Barry_Green

01-05-2008, 02:12 PM

Frankly there's no basis for speculation at all. There's a thread on there for "What We Know" and -- the list of things that are known is pretty darn slim.

The only thing I know about it is that Jim came on and posted a thread saying that "Sony... has now really pissed him off. Watch out for NAB 2008." So if that's in reference to the Scarlet, it would imply they're making an EX1 killer. But there's no basis for knowing; it could have been in relation to the Red One as well.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7200

mcgeedigital

01-05-2008, 02:40 PM

The only thing I know about it is that Jim came on and posted a thread saying that "Sony... has now really pissed him off. Watch out for NAB 2008." So if that's in reference to the Scarlet, it would imply they're making an EX1 killer. But there's no basis for knowing; it could have been in relation to the Red One as well.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7200

I thought that was in reference to the 4k projector, since Sony was the only one, at THIS time, that had a 4K projector......or I could be wrong...

Of course, having experienced Sony Corporate BS first hand, there are a NUMBER of things I can think of that would piss Mr. Jannard off.....

Kholi

01-05-2008, 08:15 PM

Actually, Barry brings up a good point about RED being pretty open. And, Chris Nuzzaco-- an avid follower of Reel-Stream-- said that Juan's not with RED so my speculation on it being what Hydra could've been is out of the window. Not bad, though.

Evin Grant theorized a nice consumer pocket cam, which is why I guessed an HV20. Barry's post about Sony pissing Jim off makes me LAUGH and HOPE that it's an EX-1 Killer. Just because I like chasing the dream of a new cam in the same price range.

The good thing is that there's only a few months left until NAB, and we'll see which it turns out to be.

Kholi

01-05-2008, 08:20 PM

I have a hard time thinking it will be a fixed lens... the one thing they did say is that it would be a "Pro" camera and for me that's solid enough for no fixed lens. (still rossing fingers)

So I am only concerned with which sensor will be used for the dynamic range and noise, and if it will record higher than 1080.

Then again, does ANYONE think there is ANY chance of it being anything lower than a 1080p 2/3" or the price being any higher than 1/2 the price of Red?

There's DEFINITELY a chance of it being less than 2/3", but I Highly doubt anything less than a true 1080p, given RED's reputation. I would be VERY surprised if it was anything less than 1080p Variable Frame-Rates straight to CF media. I'm no AUTHORITY, just going off of what the team has already done.

Even if it's an HV20 style Pocket Cam I'm definitely onboard.

Drew Ott

01-05-2008, 11:11 PM

I doubt it'd be like an HV20.

They said it would be "pro". I guess you're saying it may be similar to an HV20, but I think it'll be a good bit more expensive with way more features.

Kholi

01-05-2008, 11:50 PM

They're also sayin' Pocket. EX-1/HVX200 definitely isn't pocket.

USLatin

01-06-2008, 12:07 AM

I am hoping that "pocket" means only "small" as in DVX form factor...

Also I think a lot of the "pro" category... significantly past what the HVX has to offer...

I also look at Red as a company that is establishing themselves in a flashy way... look at Oakley's designs... the truck... he IS flashy, and that seems to have been the modus operandi behind Red One... also it seems he wants to go all the way to the top where there are only a few companies that compete making "the best" cameras... I think with such cash stash and big business chops, plus what we saw Red do so far... well I wouldn't be surprised to see a second equally shockingly good deal... and yes, I am hopeful :)

but after a few days passed from the announcement I realized that it is ridiculous for me to postpone the purchase of a Brevis and other related equipment... the HVX with lenses will be just fine for what I am capable of at this point anyway... there I said it :)

LuckyStudio 13

01-06-2008, 12:23 AM

A camera size of hv20 will get "FULL" with only a couple of pro feature (e.g. XLR inputs, Viewfinder, TC in/out, Gen Lock, CF slots ...etc). Not to mention mounting a cine lens will make the rig Extremely front heavy. I also assumes that Red wants to sell their Cine zooms and prime lenses to the scarlet crowd.

So I would guess and hope* for a typical 5-6 lbs handheld cam size that we all too familiar with.

Erik Olson

01-06-2008, 09:57 AM

Yeah, how much smaller you can go than RED, which already takes advantage of miniaturized connectors, and still be professionally viable is debatable.

Like mobile phones, MP3 players and PDAs, too small electronics can get, well... too small. What you'll lose first are connectivity choices, feature-specific buttons and so-forth. I'd bet that Scarlet is 10% or 20% smaller at most.

Interchangable lenses, only available in Nikon mount might make good sense. After PL, they're the most popular and easy to source in MF.

Imager of S16 size would ostensibly give you just more than 12mm x 7mm. Draw your own conclusions about what that means if you subscribe to the idea that film resolves @ 100 lines per millimeter.

I'd look for a camera exactly like the HVX200 in size and with ergonomics you'd expect from the masters of accessorization.

e

USLatin

01-06-2008, 06:11 PM

Exactly, how much smaller can you get? lol... but I guess it sends the point that it will be more of the DVX form factor which just like you said only like 20% smaller? lol

This is why I think they are hinting at an HVX killer with pro toughness factor to it.

About the mount I bet they'll do what DXMetal said, even though what Overland said would make the most sense is spot on.

Overland, can you please elaborate on that or link me to a thread? Sorry about prying deeper in this thread ut I have a feeling we might get a S16 chip so I am curious to read up on that 100 lines per millimeter hypothesis. I am sure it is close enough to get an idea anywhhhay so: 700 lines? That's what this 13" Sony Production monitor claims to have and it is supposed to be an SD monitor... wouldn't 700 lines be 700 vertical pixels..? 700p

I'd look for a camera exactly like the HVX200 in size and with ergonomics you'd expect from the masters of accessorization.

Yea... this is also what I am expecting... just going crazy wondering what chip it will be and what it will offer beyond the HVX's.

Leo Versola

01-06-2008, 09:25 PM

So it's probably reasonable to say that a Scarlet won't be available until early next year and from the best info I can gather at the moment, it will probably cost anywhere between $8K to $15K for a fully operational unit all said and done. Is that something most of us would agree on at this point?

Crap! I really hate being caught up in the waiting game but at this stage, it seems like the most prudent thing to do. Barring the EX1, most of the current prosumer cams are ripe for updates and it would be almost silly to purchase anything brand new right now unless business reasons or circumstances made it worthwhile. However, waiting around to get a hold of a production unit of anything announced at NAB most likely means 9 to 12 months of sitting on the sidelines. Is this sound reasoning?

Barry_Green

01-06-2008, 09:33 PM

So it's probably reasonable to say that a Scarlet won't be available until early next year and from the best info I can gather at the moment, it will probably cost anywhere between $8K to $15K for a fully operational unit all said and done. Is that something most of us would agree on at this point?
Definitely not. Last I checked (which hasn't been today) *NO* information has been released. Scarlet might be a $1,000 lipstick camera. It might be a $10,000 VariCam. It might be a $2,000 HV20 killer. Nobody knows *anything* about it yet, nothing at all, and nobody will likely know anything at all about it until the middle of April at NAB. It might be available for shipping on day one. It might be two years away. NOBODY knows anything yet, last I checked, unless they've made some announcements on Red.com or someone from Red has made announcements on reduser.net. That's the only official information anyone is going to get, until NAB.

Leo Versola

01-06-2008, 09:42 PM

Definitely not. Last I checked (which hasn't been today) *NO* information has been released. Scarlet might be a $1,000 lipstick camera. It might be a $10,000 VariCam. It might be a $2,000 HV20 killer. Nobody knows *anything* about it yet, nothing at all, and nobody will likely know anything at all about it until the middle of April at NAB. It might be available for shipping on day one. It might be two years away. NOBODY knows anything yet, last I checked, unless they've made some announcements on Red.com or someone from Red has made announcements on reduser.net. That's the only official information anyone is going to get, until NAB.

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:laugh: Well as Lloyd so aptly puts it, whether it's one in a hundred or one in a million; there's always a chance. I guess we'll just wait and see...

USLatin

01-06-2008, 10:12 PM

I agree... I am praying it will be a sub 10k Varicam + +
I am very hopeful for a big treat at the end of the rainbow...
Is anyone with me? :D

Sounds like that will be nothing but a wet day dream for me till NAB. Thanks for the info Barry, I am sure it will turn out to develop just like you said...

Leo,, I agree with what you said about having to wait a loooong time before it is out... at least till the end of the year, and likely more... but like Barry said, NAB might have some info in store for us... so IF you are ok with waiting... then you might want to wait till then... but that might set you on a waiting spree that might last for way too long...

I just confused myself, lol!
:thumbsup:

Drew Ott

01-06-2008, 10:37 PM

The makers of Red just know that by releasing those little previews they are putting thousands of people through months of mental debate with themselves.

I love how much speculation there has been off of nothing. Pro pocket-camera is it.

Anyway, I can't wait to find out. :)

SPZ

01-07-2008, 12:36 AM

About Juan...
I believe he went to Panasonic. he said something about his designs already being on the market. Also, Jan Crittenden personally stated juan's name when explaining Pixel Shift in a thread a long time ago ( which I don't remember when sorry), and this is very uncommon coming from someone inside a corporation like Panasonic (this is my deductive thinking, I might be wrong, and if this is untrue, Jan, do accept my appologies for putting your name here)

Also, the HPX and HVX200 do use very similar technology to Juan's own technique, ense the "Already in the market Juan designs for his new company" he said in a post on the Hydra thread.

I hope that, at NAB, we will see a very good announcement from Panasonic. I'm not one to usually be brand loyal, but, sincerely, my Panasonic HD gear has worked so well for the past 2 years that, even tough RED might come with a fantastic camera, If the new HVX delivers 1980x1080, or 1440x1080 pixel shifted, P2, a better LCD, and 1/2 CCD's with a fixed lens design- Or, sincerely, turn the HPX500 and convert it to a fixed lens camera the size of a HVX, even with the 960x540 2/3 CCD's Pixel Shifted, I would consider it vs a RED Scarlett. And of course, it would need AVC-INTRA as well as DVCPRO-HD recording.

Only if the Scarlett was truly revolutionary, like 35mm interchangeable lenses, 120fps+ recording in 1080p, CF recording, and with an HVX size and weight would I consider jumping for RED.

NAB will be interesting this year.

USLatin

01-07-2008, 12:39 AM

SPZ

01-07-2008, 05:37 AM

I am going forward with my Brevis and other purchases as soon as I can get the cash. That's IF I get that cash... I hope this doesn't turn out to be a crazy deal and gets released in less than 6 months... well even then I won't regret it... but I am also eagerly waiting for more info regardless...

...120fps 1080p... ...drool...

If you get the Brevis, don't forget to get the BTLH80w Monitor! its really essential!

And ask the Brevis guys to give one specially configured for the HVX- My brevis is " loose" on my HVX since it was not alligned to the lens barrel screw. I sincerelly do not know how to modify this...

Erik Olson

01-07-2008, 06:00 AM

USLatin,

If you want to get sine or line per mm specs for each Kodak stock (negative versus release print for example), you'll need to do an IEEE search. Kodak does publish the specs, but it isn't right at the top of their product pages.

I've seen reputable (not Wikipedia) sources claiming up to 140 lp/mm in Vision2 100D. It is relative, of course. Now, pixel density and so forth is something I have very little understanding of, so someone like Barry or Jarred might provide a newer, more appropriate ratio based on what can be accomplished with todays imagers.

e

Kholi

01-07-2008, 10:07 AM

LOL. Everyone would LOVE for it to be a sub 10K HVX-like Camera. I mean, that's what we wanted RED ONE to be, right? Then when they announced the 30k Price Tag, people got really sad.

Scarlet COULD very well be an HVX/EX-1-Style CF-Card monster. My two bets were on Juan being part of the RED team (already stated that he wasn't, so no go) and the Pocket-Sized Camera being something along the lines of an HV20. I'll be happy to be wrong or right, to be honest.

Actually, I'd be happier to be WRONG about it, that way I don't have to scramble with the rest of you to sell my HVX just to pick it up. :DDDD Cause when the Market's flooded, by beat-up piece is worth even less.

Isaac_Brody

01-07-2008, 01:00 PM

Sweet. NAB couldn't get here soon enough.

USLatin

01-07-2008, 10:05 PM

What monitor is that?
I am planing on getting the Carrion by Siniarch. It might be a bit big but so is the resolution and other specs.

I have toadmit that I also HATE the idea of having to sell. But if I get more sensitivity thn I'd have to accept it... so long as itis ony a grand or two.

SPZ

01-08-2008, 03:14 AM

I was talking about the Panasonic one.

When the new HVX or the Scarlett comes, I will most certainly compare both, purchase one of them (or the HPX?) and sell my HVX.

USLatin

01-08-2008, 05:08 AM

You should look at Siniarch's monitor! You might find it is all you need and save a few grand for the camera :)

Hey, Overland, thanks for the info!

Erik Olson

01-08-2008, 04:19 PM

My pleasure.

e

HBlack

01-09-2008, 10:04 PM

My perfect camera would be similar to an HVX, with variable frame rates from 1-300fps at full HD as well as time lapse features, with a full frame 35mm sensor and nikon lense mounts. That's just me though.

USLatin

01-09-2008, 10:27 PM

hehe... I'll take "only" 150fps a little more dynamic range, no noise and removable lenses. I don't care if I have to buy a special mount for the lenses and pay an additional $2000... it also doesn't have to be any tougher than the HVX or have a better built in monitor... I want "a great head for a little more"

hey, you got me day-dreaming now HBlack... shame on you :)

Noel Evans

01-10-2008, 08:13 AM

They stole my name!!!!!!!!!!

SO the scarlet revolution is coming? Might have to get one and then my business name will be even more relevant. But what is the scarlet? Maybe a new webcam for high resolution video blogging. (yeah kill me, thats not funny).

snowleopard

01-10-2008, 05:09 PM

I'd like to see them actually promote a product that they are about to actually release. When did Red One first demo at NAB? 2-3 years ago? And if you order one now, when do you get it, Jan 2009?

If they can announce Scarlet at NAB, and have it ship around summer, that would be a coup for them. (And by "ship" I DON'T mean one at a time spread out over months and months on end while buyers use beta versions. I mean ship the way other companies ship their product. You order one, and it gets to your house in a week. Or you go down to your local dealer, and buy one. You take it home, and it works as fully functional.)

rawfa

01-11-2008, 06:18 AM

Sweet potato pie! I'm making this little piggie squeall!
Interchangeable slr lenses and red's latitude packed into a small slim hot little body. THE portable run & gun digital cinema solution. Give me that with a good price tag and sayonara A1, Hv20, 35mm adapters.

Kholi

01-12-2008, 09:59 PM

The more I think about it, the more I don't want Scarlet to compete with the HVX200 or EX-1 or anything like that. What comes to mind is waiting in line to get one, like everyone's doing with the RED ONE.

Ebay gets flooded with EX-1's and HVX200's and XH-A1's, and we're all standin' around waitin' for the same camera. Especially if it's comin' in under 10k with great options.

Yeah, I'm hopin' for an HV20-Sized Style offering or that Panasonic drops something spectacular on us at the same time during NAB. Canon? Either one of those fellas that way there are more options to choose from.

USLatin

01-12-2008, 10:17 PM

I am with you, I want no good cameras to come out till I am ready :)

hehehe...

Kholi

01-12-2008, 10:26 PM

It's less about being ready and more about options. Say Scarlet's the dream HVX form-factor camera? It's got every option we've ever dreamed of AND it's priced to compete with the HVX/EX-1 whatever-whos-its-what's-it? Then it's a no brainer: It's the next revolution that wasn't Panasonic's dealing. It's the next must-have Camera and we're all gonna be in line waitin' for one for quite some time.

S'not like the RED team can pump out hundreds of cameras like Sony, Pana, or Canon. We'll be in a position similar to the current RED ONE reservation holders if not worse?

Thing I'm tryin' to say is that (sounds weird) I hope that it's either a REAL Pocket Professional (again, HV20ish) cam with some neat options to add to your already exisiting main cam... or that Panasonic answers some dreams with their next "prosumer" offering.

I guess NAB isn't that far away.

snowleopard

01-13-2008, 12:42 AM

I share the same thoughts. It would benefit them a tremendous amount to make a camera that they can at least somewhat mass produce so people can actually order and buy them in a timely manner. Just announcing another camera with great features, then making people wait for months and months would be terrible.

USLatin

01-13-2008, 11:38 AM

Do you guys think Pana will come out with a better-than-HVX camera this NAB?

snowleopard

01-13-2008, 11:47 AM

Well, the only thing that has "leaked" is that butt-ugly monster, but I'd kind of like to see an updated one. There are such simple things they could do that would be very nice. Like no tape drive, 8gb of internal memory, a few other things. Though for the most part, the HVX works great the way as is. I think it's more likely they'll have a deal to compete with the EX1 by throwing in an extra 16gb card if you buy between now and May 1st, for example.

It will be nice when the day comes that we see a Panny with greater exposure latitude, even better low light sensitivity, a greater zoom length, a sharper (more pixels) viewfinder, a better compression scheme, while staying in DVCPROHD, but I don't know if this NAB is that time.

USLatin

01-13-2008, 11:55 AM

Well then it sounds more like an HVX-250 type for this NAB then, right?

Do you have a link to that ugly picture? I wanna chekk-it-out

rawfa

02-19-2008, 07:56 AM

i have high hopes for this camera. i've dreamed of owning a digital cinema professional camera that was the size of an HV20+35mm adapter.

I gotta say I'm with Zak on this one. The thought of something like this is amazing.

SPZ

02-20-2008, 01:18 AM

If they bring a Sony V-1, DVX, A1 sized camera with full 1920x 1080p sensors, 4:2:2, no rolling shutter, variable frame rates, 10/11 stops of dinamic range, interchangeable lenses or fixed but with a 35mm sized sensor for fantastic DOF and, of course, CF recording, RAW recording, HD LCD built in, HD-SDI out at a weight that is close to those HDV/DV offerings, this will be THE revolution.

And it will, most certainly, push for better products from the competition. If this camera comes out this impressive, and Panasonic introduces something at NAB, conscious of RED, this is indeed the next step for the "independent guerrila cinema revolucion." :)

It will also be interesting to see how Canon responds with the XL line of cameras. Canon is a very big player in the Cmos market. (they have the arguably best Cmos chips for DSLR's). How this will affect the next gen XL's is everyone's guess, but is always something to watch out for!

Anyhow, if Panasonic comes up with a P2, 2/3 ccd fixed lens, variable frame rates camera pixel shifted in an HVX form factor, I would still get it. But it has to be Pal/Ntsc switchable!

snowleopard

02-20-2008, 03:29 AM

Sounds great, if they are actually going to produce and release such a thing in a timely manner. If we're left looking at a plastic box, and they'll start going into production that is on a one-at-a-time basis, in about a year or two, where you end up on a waiting list to wait another undisclosed period of time...

rawfa

02-20-2008, 06:56 AM

I've read at the Red forum that once Scarlet is out there won't be a waiting list like with Red One.

Kegan

02-20-2008, 08:40 AM

Yeah Jim mentioned not shipping one out until they had a few built I believe.

-Kegan

snowleopard

02-20-2008, 09:41 AM

That would be great, and smart. Even if there is a wait like other companies often do (here's a box, but it will be shipping in full come autumn) that would be reasonable.

Shawn Philip Nelson

02-20-2008, 10:22 AM

You all are neglecting a major fact. Jim has stated that Scarlet will NOT compete with Red. The product you are all describing would very much destroy Red.

I think it's a stripped-down 2k lipstick camera with either a fixed mount or a C-mount. I think it will be designed to be a B-cam supplement to the Red for hard to reach places, such as airplane cockpits, helmet mounts, etc.