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Wild Imagination Films
12-04-2007, 03:52 AM
After realizing the initial project was a bit more than we were ready to tackle, we came up with a second story after listening to John Sheets idea for a rather odd love story. (If you PM him I'm sure he'll be happy to share his concept with you.)
Thus, "Winter" was born. I am really excited about this project and I hope the rest of you will be anxious to see it by February. Some of the more exciting aspects of it I am really torn about giving up before the screening.
I will tell you this. We're going to do this old school and not try to go with CGI and greenscreen. All the effects are going to be practical. We've thrown the gauntlet down for ourselves and we're doing this as a period piece.
Just yesterday I received a note from the artist Quinton Hoover after I wrote to say how his artwork had really helped me show my crew what I was thinking. He was very happy and flattered by the thought of his work being inspirational to us.
SO, the plan now is to work on the casting and the practicals and get the shots all planned out and blocking and costumes done this month and then shoot in January. Lighting tests are underway and all manner of trickery is being thought up.
We are very very excited about so many things on this project. We'll be getting to use the Advanta Lite Jib we recently purchased. Early testing has shown really nice results. I'm certain the end results will look very professional.
More later....

Wild Imagination Films
12-04-2007, 04:04 AM
Here is the poster

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774252.jpg%20http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774229.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774252.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774252.jpg)


This is our Fairy/ Nymph.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198279786.jpg


Here are several screen grabs gathered together for easier viewing.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201494721.jpg

The father and son
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201553323.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201553323.jpg)

a little snow in Texas
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1200881273.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1197744420.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1197744048.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/williamjamesgibson/2112201160/

Kyle Stebbins
12-04-2007, 07:46 AM
Would you like me to design a poster/scheme for you? I'd be more than happy.
You can see my work on my thread as well as Dustin Rogan's film, "Given".

Let me know =)

Robbie Comeau
12-04-2007, 08:20 AM
Goodluck!

r

Wild Imagination Films
12-04-2007, 08:39 AM
Thank you Como.
Kyle, Thanks, right now Mike Pedro (designer of the beautiful and mysterious poster for Revelations) is working on the poster idea. But if he gets swamped at work or anything I'll definitely give you a shout. I did the banner thingy late last night, all by myself without any help from anyone. (I am not a PS artist)

Wild Imagination Films
12-05-2007, 06:18 PM
Huge strides in the finalization of the script today. Looks like we'll have some very powerful moments in the story everyone will be able to relate to. Now to costume and effects, as well as props and locations. This will be our biggest endeavor to date. (bigger even than the car wreck in After Life) It just keeps getting better.

Drew Ott
12-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Sounds good Will.

I hope you guys can pull this one off.

Jason Ramsey
12-05-2007, 08:27 PM
A fairy Tale? Awesome. I wanna see it.

Good luck to you, man.

Take care,
Jason

Wild Imagination Films
12-06-2007, 05:23 PM
With everything we have going for us right now, this will be the project to watch. I now those are some pretty big words, but this story is developing itself, the locations are appearing out of nowhere, we have all the tools we could possibly hope for and everyone is in a great mood.
BTW Jason, I like the banner, I work in an MRI facility.

Luis Caffesse
12-06-2007, 05:47 PM
Don't be so hard on yourself Will, I'm sure it'll come out fine.
:)

I can't wait to see this.

Wild Imagination Films
12-06-2007, 06:49 PM
You know, the thing is, I was all set to do this really intertwined story with very off beat thinking and style. Now, I just want to make a really pretty and straightforward Fairy Tale type love story. I'll give this much away right now. Don't look for a dark undertone. Don't look or expect some lurking evil. Just sit back and bask in the picture and let yourself go.
I've fought to keep this simple and I hope it leaves everyone happier for having watched it.

Wild Imagination Films
12-07-2007, 08:10 PM
First day after the casting call went out and there were over 50 responses. I've pared them down, but I 'm certain there will be another batch tomorrow. It's so difficult to tell anything at this time. I've worked with a couple of the respondees before. Lots of new faces and some really not so good ideas about what a headshot should be.

Jason Ramsey
12-07-2007, 09:46 PM
Good luck with day two of auditions, man :)

I like where you're going with your thinking on the story direction. Keep it simple, and tell a nice tight little story that can carry a deeper meaning, rather than trying to cram too much information in such a short time. That's something I really tried to focus on this time around too in developing the story.

Good luck to you man.
Later,
Jason

Luis Caffesse
12-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Wow - that's alot of responses.
Where did you send out the casting call?
Best of luck with everything.

Drew Ott
12-07-2007, 10:51 PM
Wow - that's alot of responses.
Where did you send out the casting call?
Best of luck with everything.

Austin's Craigslist gets me literally 50 responses a day.

It's actually an incredibly stressful process to respond to everybody and get things scheduled.

Pre production = my greatest weakness.

I like the way this short is shaping up, although Blush sounded pretty interesting.

Luis Caffesse
12-07-2007, 11:04 PM
I like the way this short is shaping up, although Blush sounded pretty interesting.

Agreed (on both accounts)
:thumbsup:

Wild Imagination Films
12-08-2007, 01:45 PM
More fun and excitement. John and I were talking this morning and he has had some really great ideas for the beginning of the story. A direction I had not originally thought of and as hesitant as he was to tell me about it, I liked it a lot. I know, vague and vaguer still. Let's just say, maybe not everything is as wonderful as I had originally thought.
On casting calls. Someone once told me (after I had commented on the time it took to write everyone thanking them for responding if I didn't want them to read, and setting stuff up if I did) you don't have to write everyone a personal note of thanks. Most of the responders never expect to hear anything if they aren't picked. Loathe as I was to not write everyone, I have accepted this practice.
On the simple story line.
I have watched as many of the short films as I have been able to on here and other sites. It is the simple, concise story everyone goes for. We're going to be working really hard to make the dialog in this short feel like a conversation or a fight or an admission of love. I think some rely on the picture alone to carry the story through the rough parts, but I think it's the simple shots and well thought out moves where the art of film making comes alive.
More news as it happens.

spooky138
12-10-2007, 07:48 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing this bro!

Chris Messineo
12-10-2007, 08:03 AM
Good luck with your auditions.

Auditions are actually my favorite part of the whole process.

Wild Imagination Films
12-10-2007, 12:12 PM
Thanks Chris, we're arranging a place to hold them. One of my friends works at a hospital and is going to see about using one of the meeting rooms. we may have to pony up and rent a banquet/ meeting room at the hotel down the street and hold an all day marathon audition. The numbers are growing as we speak on people who would like to be considered.

Wild Imagination Films
12-10-2007, 11:33 PM
Great news today and an interesting observation....
I was in contact with the horticulturist at UT today and he is all for our using their greenhouse to film one of our scenes. He seems very interested and enthusiastic about the story and is willing to help any way he can.
The responses to the casting call continue to come in. Hopefully three of these people are exactly what we are looking for.
The crew for the film signed on today. I'm excited to get to work with a couple of them again and this time with all the gear you could want.
And here is the strange observation. Several of the people I have had express great enthusiasm for this project are the same guys who love making zombie films and splatter films. They are the last people I thought would be interested in the project. Everyone who has heard the story line has gotten really excited and wants to work on it. I've had a couple of the actors who are auditioning tell me they want to work on the film even if they aren't on screen. Ideas keep getting thrown at me for little touches here and there and they work! It's as though this story really wants to get made and everything is aligning itself to make it happen.
So, other than the auditions later this week, we lack only an old skin on frame kayak (I think I can get one from a fellow kayaker). The odd props and set dressings we will need have all been found locally and inexpensively.
I'm extremely excited and happy about the way this project is coming together. I am convinced you will all be very impressed and delighted by the end result. I can safely say it will be unlike anything we have seen before on DVXUser.

Luis Caffesse
12-10-2007, 11:46 PM
I can safely say it will be unlike anything we have seen before on DVXUser.

You keep finding ways to raise the bar on yourself.
I love it.

Can't wait to see this.
:thumbsup:

Marlon Ladd
12-12-2007, 10:51 AM
Okay, now I really, really wanna' see it. Hurry up and finish it already! LOL. Seriously, you got me curious.

jpsheets
12-12-2007, 12:33 PM
Bad news Will, I couldn't get the fake alien head. Still working on the saucer mock up. :evil:

JP

Luis Caffesse
12-12-2007, 12:47 PM
Bad news Will, I couldn't get the fake alien head. Still working on the saucer mock up. :evil:

JP

That's too bad!
By the way, were you able to secure the morgue location?
Or are you goin to have to go with plan B and shoot in the Chuck E Cheese?

jpsheets
12-12-2007, 04:33 PM
Well, I would have had Chuck E cheese, but uh, turns out it's illegal to buy a small Indian child.

Might be off the boards for a while.

JP

Wild Imagination Films
12-12-2007, 10:50 PM
See what happens when you tell one guy about your plan?!?!?!?!
John, I told you to find out where Angelina and Brad got theirs. Way to go!
Morgue? Chuck E Cheese? I thought we decided the McDonald's Play land outside the mall, and I don't care what the judge said about 100 yards.

Wild Imagination Films
12-15-2007, 10:31 AM
Ever so slightly frustrated right now. I can't seem to get the photo attachment function to function. I've tried everything I can think of and I'm just getting nowhere. HELP.

Drew Ott
12-15-2007, 10:37 AM
Click member upload center.

Browse your PC and find the photo you want.

Hit upload.

Copy the URL and paste it inside of one of your messages. Put photo tags on it if it doesn't already have them.

Is that what you're having trouble with?

Wild Imagination Films
12-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Thank you, B now I is a happy DVX'r.
new pic up front!

Wild Imagination Films
12-18-2007, 10:47 AM
Auditions start today. Picked up some props over the weekend. Location scouting went really well and we've got all of them pretty much figured out. While most of this film is going to be shot "Hollywood style" I am going to shoot parts of it guerrilla style. Screw the man!

Wild Imagination Films
12-20-2007, 09:45 AM
My least favorite part of the audition process is over. I hate giving good people bad news. But I saved the best for last and gave two of my actors early Christmas presents. This turned out to be far more difficult than I had originally anticipated. However, the two actors I went with really brought their enthusiasm with them when they walked in the door. I'm still looking for the third one, I hope he shows up soon.

Wild Imagination Films
12-21-2007, 04:13 PM
check out new photos at the beginning of the thread.

Stephen Mick
12-21-2007, 07:32 PM
Will,

You might want to think about using that camera as a B-camera, at best. I'm not sure it's up to a short film like you're planning. At least use a DVX or something.

:D

Wild Imagination Films
12-22-2007, 12:15 AM
We're doing some camera tests tomorrow. Various jib shots, some adapter stuff. I'll let you know how it turns out. Should be some interesting photos by mid day.

Jason Ramsey
12-22-2007, 10:33 PM
Here's the camera we're using for the film.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1197745120.jpg


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1197744420.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1197744048.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/williamjamesgibson/2112201160/

Hey, that's cool, man. I thought about using an old camera myself, but to be honest putting the camera in kinda ended up being an afterthought. I had written the script and was ready to film, and was like, "oh, yeah... I have to have a camera in this thing somewhere". :)

Looking good man. Your actress has an interesting look.

Keep us posted.

Later,
Jason

Wild Imagination Films
12-22-2007, 10:38 PM
The camera was in from the beginning. The story was so easily adapted to have it work, we never even thought about another. The actress walked in and everyone said, "there she is."

Wild Imagination Films
12-24-2007, 05:47 PM
Latest of the latest. I got an e-mail from a guy who has a wooden Kayak and told me to come pick it up for as long as we need it for the film. Once again, this project keeps making things happen.
We did an intensive survey of the site for part of the film yesterday. It's an outdoor area and pretty harsh terrain. It's going to be interesting to see how we get our gear to the location and then get the equipment set up and stabilized.
This is really starting to get fun.

Jason Ramsey
12-24-2007, 06:10 PM
Sounds great, man.... A kayak? In the film, or filming from it?

Sounds like you are really getting into the project. Glad to hear it.

Later,
Jason.

Wild Imagination Films
12-24-2007, 10:11 PM
Both. This project has a bit of everything in it. I'm just finishing up with some lighting tests. Footage is downloading to my laptop right now. My Day-Flo lights are working really well and it's like 40 degrees outside right now. I'll post a clip from the lighting test in a bit.

hordeprime
12-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Quick update -

A few posts ago, Will mentioned shooting this piece "Hollywood style" -- I'd like to add that we already have test shots that could be straight out of a Ridley Scott film.

Yeah... and that's using a DVX. :thumbsup:

Luis Caffesse
12-28-2007, 01:27 PM
..we already have test shots that could be straight out of a Ridley Scott film.

Yeah... and that's using a DVX. :thumbsup:

Wow, Ridley Scott uses the DVX?
I had no idea.
:)

In all seriousness - I'm really looking forward to this.
Will gave me a quick pitch of the story recently, and it sounds like it could be a really solid piece.

Any chance we'll see a frame grab from any of these tests?
Or are we going to have to wait for the final product?

hordeprime
12-28-2007, 02:48 PM
Well, I'd say that's probably a call left to Will but... I have a feeling we'll be posting something up sometime soon.

...

Hell, if Will says no, I'll kick him in the knee and then post something anyways, if only just a teaser. :)

Wild Imagination Films
12-28-2007, 05:23 PM
You want grabs?!?! I got your grabs!!! Look at these babies.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198890958.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198890958.jpg)
or this one
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198890864.jpg
here are two examples of the amazing depth of field control with NO adapter used
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198890909.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198890888.jpg
and this one of my brother with a touch of contrast added
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1198891755.jpg (http://wildimaginationfilms.com/video/Winter_test_clip.html)

Remember, these are for illustration only and should not be construed as screen grabs from the actual film. The actual film has not yet been shot and therefore it would be impossible to have screen grabs from it.


***CLICK ON THE PICTURE OF MY BROTHER TO SEE THE TEST FOOTAGE, NOT ACTUAL FILM FOOTAGE, GIVE IT A SECOND TO GET STARTED***

Luis Caffesse
12-29-2007, 09:46 AM
Nice grabs - and by the way, your brother looks just like you.
Not sure if posting 'test footage' is okay - might want to check with Barry, Larry, Jason, et al.

But either way - looks pretty damn cool.
I see you're getting good use out of that jib.
:thumbsup:

Wild Imagination Films
12-29-2007, 11:26 AM
Ahh, the Austin Ewok didn't read the last lines of the last post. ( Insert winking smiley)
This is just test footage of the stuff me mum keeps in her garden. Odd things, but fun to shoot. None of this is going to go into the film. The test was of the lights we got from PCL. I am very pleased with the way they held up to my handling, and they gave me no trouble at all. I was also doing a "cold soak" on all the gear to see how it would handle the temperature at night. No problems and lots of information learned.

Luis Caffesse
12-29-2007, 11:42 AM
Ahh, the Austin Ewok didn't read the last lines of the last post. ( Insert winking smiley)

Oh I read it.
:)
Just wasn't sure if any moving footage was okay.
Then again I know some BTS stuff was posted by some people - just not sure where the line is drawn.


This is just test footage of the stuff me mum keeps in her garden.
Thats one cool looking garden.


No problems and lots of information learned.

That's the best place to be!
:thumbsup:

Wild Imagination Films
12-29-2007, 09:28 PM
Thanks for watching my back Luis. Here is the actual copied rule regarding the posting of footage.

"Films may only be promoted on DVXuser.com before screening and no actual footage from films may be screened prior to the DVXuser screening. No promotion on external web sites is allowed until after the screening has been completed."

I double checked to be certain I hadn't violated the rule before I ever even got started. If we have time later on, I'll try to get actual grabs up, but for now it's gonna have to be test stuff. Yeah, we're just showin' off the cool look we're getting.

hordeprime
12-30-2007, 08:11 AM
Yeah, as Will has stated, these aren't from the film, but are definitely a good test that hints at the direction we're going in -- expressionistic atmosphere. The final shots, utilizing both intentional lighting and stage effects, should make for an intensive visual experience.

Wild Imagination Films
01-05-2008, 04:28 PM
We now have all of the props we have been looking for. I would recommend watching this film several times to make certain you see all of the stuff in it. We start set construction on Monday and have our first cast and crew meeting tomorrow. Looks like we're going to shoot on the HVX without an adapter. We have the Advanta-Jib Lite and bunches o' lights. I can safely say this is the most ambitious undertaking to date. I promise you will all be amazed when this one hits the screen.

Luis Caffesse
01-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I can safely say this is the most ambitious undertaking to date.

That's exactly the way it should always be
Onwards and upwards!

Good luck
:thumbsup:

Wild Imagination Films
01-05-2008, 04:49 PM
Hey Luis, go vote in the poll I put up. I made it partly because of your entry on the "next fest" thread.

Wild Imagination Films
01-06-2008, 08:35 PM
Update.
We are set to shoot on the 19th and the 26th. There are a few in between days with just the younger male and the camera. But these are not the "set work" shoots of the two nights listed.
Our list of props and set decor for one scene alone has almost hit a hundred different items. Several are over a hundred years old and a couple are nearing the one seventy five mark.
The cast and crew are really stoked and excitement is high. Set construction commences next week. Rehearsals are spread out over the next couple of weeks. The elephant remains the weak link in the chain and may have to be cut from the project. He did work for peanuts though.
I am about to learn the fine art of sewing. One of the costumes has to be hand sewn and one of the props also requires the needle and thread treatment.
There will be a game released at the same time as our entry. Sort of a "find it in the scene" game. There aren't going to be any prizes other than the satisfaction of a job well done.
More tomorrow.

Wild Imagination Films
01-10-2008, 10:28 PM
Big tech meeting tonight. Digital workflow is up and running. The HVX to Vegas issues have been resolved through Raylight. The following departments have received their assignments and are in full swing: Costume, Art, Lighting, Special Visual Effects, Workflow, Hair and Makeup, Sound and Music.
We have a fantastic cast and crew and I am honored to be working with every person involved. We are shooting a behind the scenes to go along with the film for our DVDs. Some amazing stories have happened while getting this project off the page and on the screen. I don't want to forget any of it.

Wild Imagination Films
01-13-2008, 10:52 AM
Spent a very productive afternoon with half of the art department working on cad layouts for the set. It was really interesting to see things being put where they need to go and seeing the scale correct relationships between objects. We now also know what size jib we can use and where we can put it. Now to build.

hordeprime
01-14-2008, 01:22 PM
Shooting this week! I should be posting some sample storyboards soon...

Luis Caffesse
01-15-2008, 12:17 PM
Wow - set construction and departments...
I'm feeling underprepared suddenly.

Good luck this weekend - maybe we'll run into eachother
:)

hordeprime
01-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Wow - set construction and departments...
I'm feeling underprepared suddenly.


I think Will forgot to mention that we were shooting on the Jolly Roger...

:grin::beer::grin:

Wild Imagination Films
01-15-2008, 05:49 PM
Sorry Mike, Guess you didn't get the message. The Jolly Roger is booked. We have the Queen Mary II as a prop though.
As of today, the tigers are back in, the baboons are out.
Meris said she can get us a twenty-five foot python but it's gonna cost us a bit more than originally anticipated. I talked to John and he said he can live on one kidney.
New plot development deals with time travel.
I'll fill you in at yesterdays meeting.

jpsheets
01-15-2008, 07:55 PM
I talked to John and he said he can live on one kidney.


:shocked:

ugafan
01-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Wow - set construction and departments...
I'm feeling underprepared suddenly.

Good luck this weekend - maybe we'll run into eachother
:)

you and me both. today the wardrobe department (i.e., me) went to target and purchased a $5 sweatshirt the lead actor (also me) will be wearing.

i'll post a picture of the shirt later.

Wild Imagination Films
01-15-2008, 11:02 PM
Updates on costume and tech:
Two actors are costume ready.
One is halfway done.
One spent three hours being draped and fitted and wrapped and was basically a human mannequin while the costume designer tried to create the look the director wanted. We now have a design and it looks really fantastic.
The blueprints for the set were also brought over today and every detail is exactly what was ordered. Set dressing commences on Wed.
We shoot Thursday night and everyone is really excited.
Now for a little nap.

ExtremeSleuth
01-16-2008, 10:14 AM
sounds awesome! i really can't wait to see this!

Wild Imagination Films
01-16-2008, 05:35 PM
With the amount of thought and preparation going into this project, I am certain we are going to have a really top notch entry. Not bragging, just looking at the talented people I am privileged to have the opportunity to work with on this one.
So far it's been a blast and I am more enthused every day.

hordeprime
01-17-2008, 08:27 AM
As promised... sample storyboards!


http://www.mpedro.com/temp/winter_board_01.jpg

Luis Caffesse
01-17-2008, 08:28 AM
Damn.
I think your storyboards alone look better than my film will.
:)

Michael Anthony Horrigan
01-17-2008, 08:30 AM
SWEET boards!

I wish i could do boards like that. I can artistically duplicate anything that I'm looking at extremely well, but I don't have the imagination to pull them out of thin air.

Go figure.

Mike

Wild Imagination Films
01-17-2008, 12:37 PM
And you guys thought I was just blowing smoke.....
You should see the blueprints for the indoor set.
You should see the set I'm currently putting together and have only momentarily paused from to say hi.

hordeprime
01-17-2008, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the positives, Luis / Kyser ... Yeah, I tend to go verrry expressionistic when it comes to lighting and composition. Here's hoping that shows through in the end. :)

Oh yeah, Will -- Picking up the effects machines tomorrow at 1 pm, so we should be good to go for the final lighting/smoke tests.

ugafan
01-17-2008, 02:04 PM
i'm really looking forward to this very ambitious film.

hordeprime
01-18-2008, 07:01 AM
Well, last night was the first night of shooting and... disaster.

...

Just kidding -- It went GREAT. We got some awesome hi-def imagery recorded, which will look even better once we finish post.

Looks like everything is "so far, so good." :)

Wild Imagination Films
01-19-2008, 03:27 AM
Grabs from shooting. (intentionally vague and mysterious)
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1200741815.jpg
and
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1200741767.jpg
These are from the stuff we shot last night. Moody, dark, etc.

Luis Caffesse
01-19-2008, 05:32 AM
Nice grabs - good teasers.
:)

Best of luck today - do what you can to stay warm.
(by the way, you know the guys up north at just laughing at us right now, right?)

jpsheets
01-20-2008, 01:21 AM
It was an excellent night of shooting, despite us freezing our respective a** off. I'll let Will or Mike talk more about that. But our workflow went without a hitch. Here's our workflow:

P2 cards to Dell laptop
Check integrity of clips with P2CMS
Transfer to external HDD via P2CMS

Will then converts the MXF files to AVI via Raylight and imports into Vegas. Works like a charm.


cheers,

JP

Drew Ott
01-20-2008, 01:58 AM
It was an excellent night of shooting, despite us freezing our respective a** off.


Sounds just like our night. I couldn't feel my toes after about 10 minutes of standing outside.

Glad all is well.

Mark Harris
01-20-2008, 08:00 AM
It was an excellent night of shooting, despite us freezing our respective a** off. I'll let Will or Mike talk more about that. But our workflow went without a hitch. Here's our workflow:

P2 cards to Dell laptop
Check integrity of clips with P2CMS
Transfer to external HDD via P2CMS

Will then converts the MXF files to AVI via Raylight and imports into Vegas. Works like a charm.


cheers,

JP

We have roughly the same workflow. but why convert the files to AVI? We just work with MXFs right in Vegas. Seems like an extra unnecessary step...

jpsheets
01-20-2008, 11:16 AM
Ah, no. I'm not the Vegas guru, it was my understanding that Raylight converted the MXF files to AVI. Vegas can now manipulate native MXF files?

Mark Harris
01-20-2008, 11:26 AM
Vegas with Raylight can handle native MXF.

jpsheets
01-20-2008, 11:42 AM
That's what it is then, I don't normally use Vegas, but we're running MXF files through Raylight. Raylight is a great program by the way. I plan on buying a copy for FCP.

cheers,

JP

Mark Harris
01-20-2008, 11:46 AM
yeah, I use raylight all the time with vegas. Love it.

Chris Messineo
01-20-2008, 01:30 PM
Great storyboards.

I wish I could draw like that. I'm the king of stick figures. :(

Wild Imagination Films
01-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Tell me about it Chris, you should see what I give Mike to work with. They're so bad they got named. "Willygrams."

Wild Imagination Films
01-20-2008, 02:53 PM
So about last night's shooting.
Two HVX's, One Advanta Jib Light, Six banks of DayFlo lights, some cranky effects machines and a bunch of cold cast and crew. Everything had been running for hours and the second I said action, the circuit blew and we were in the dark.

Luis Caffesse
01-20-2008, 03:44 PM
Ouch.
Were you able to it up and running again?


By the way - I'm glad to see I'm not the only one shooting with a bunch of flos.
On of our actors told us yesterday - "you know, usually I'd be happy to work under lights that weren't so hot - but did you have to use these in the winter?"
:)

Wild Imagination Films
01-20-2008, 06:27 PM
We re-routed some lines and got back up and running in a couple of minutes. Rest of the night was hitchless. Everyone was really cold but no one was whining or B****ing about it. Everyone was really polite and helpful. Now to edit.
Luis, if you stand right in front of my 16 head bank of flo's you can almost feel some warmth.

Luis Caffesse
01-20-2008, 10:43 PM
Damn - I could have used a 16 bank flo last night.
:thumbsup:

(of course, i think you were shooting at the same time)


Glad to hear you got up and running with reatively little time lost.
I really can't wait to see what you put together.

Wild Imagination Films
01-20-2008, 10:54 PM
Here's a taste of what you might be seeing in the very near future...

I still can't get over the weather. Rain for two nights prior to filming and then we got perfectly clear and still (you'll see why). Cold? Yes. Freezing? (as predicted) No. Damn near perfect? Yup. Tonight? Cold, cloudy-ish and windy.

I think it's really important to let everyone know, we didn't use any cg effects in this film. Yes, there is post work on the image, but nothing was added to it. Everything in the frame was in the frame when we shot. This said, here is a grab from last night.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1200881273.jpg
I'm rather pleased with what we have captured so far. And the team is really doing the best job ever.

Luis Caffesse
01-20-2008, 11:01 PM
Lookin good Will!

Wild Imagination Films
01-21-2008, 12:35 AM
Did you get snow on your set Luis?

Luis Caffesse
01-21-2008, 12:41 AM
Did you get snow on your set Luis?

No.
Must have been on the other end of town.
:)


That looks great.

Wild Imagination Films
01-21-2008, 09:17 AM
Strange things have been happening surrounding the making of this short. Weather, actors, equipment, peoples schedules, and more have been aligning to see to it we get everything we need.
The technical art department head was over yesterday to see how the footage was looking and saw a very, very rough edit of a scene. He remarked how he's all into the filming and editing and by the time the project is finished he is sort of like, "ok, cool, next project." This one is different he said, this time he can't wait to see the finished film, he wants to see how it ends.

Chris Messineo
01-21-2008, 09:23 AM
I like that still a lot. It looks "magical".

jpsheets
01-21-2008, 10:31 AM
Heheh, wait 'till you see our actress!

Chris Messineo
01-21-2008, 10:57 AM
If you're talking about the "fairy/nymph" on the first page - she looks great.

jpsheets
01-21-2008, 11:25 AM
Yeah, wait 'till you see her in make up! Make up & wardrobe had a lot of fun on this one.

Chris Messineo
01-21-2008, 11:45 AM
Yeah, wait 'till you see her in make up! Make up & wardrobe had a lot of fun on this one.

So break out some grabs already. :)

Wild Imagination Films
01-21-2008, 12:52 PM
Sorry guys but no pictures of the fairy until the film screens. I don't want to ruin the fun.
Just a correction on Johnny S's comment about make up and wardrobe having fun.
Make up had fun, hair had fun, wardrobe was up until 5 am sewing a fairy/ nymph costume. Fun was not a part of the program. No fun was had, nor would fun have been tolerated.:violin:
However, the wardrobe department would like to add, they can think of nothing else they would rather have been doing. (they are not very imaginative)
It's fascinating to see how much goes into the costumes and the sets and everything else, and how little of it winds up visible in the end.
With this in mind, I now formally announce the Great Wild Imagination Easter Egg Hunt. Our film contains a multitude of intentionally inserted "Easter Eggs."
I encourage everyone to watch the film for enjoyment first, and then go back and see how many tiny, and not so tiny, items and objects you can find. After the judging begins, I'll make the list available to everyone. Then it's your job to find them. The first person to find them all will get a signed copy of the dvd.

Wild Imagination Films
01-21-2008, 05:21 PM
From the technical art department...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1200964687.jpg
This is the layout for our set. The plans were done in 3-d and 2-d with all the specs for the amount of materials we need calculated. Construction begins Wednesday. Shooting on Saturday. There is a lot to do for this part of the film, but it's going to pay off in the end.

Luis Caffesse
01-21-2008, 11:25 PM
Wow - that's ambitious.
Where are you building the set?

Can't wait to see how this turns out.

Wild Imagination Films
01-22-2008, 08:35 AM
Where are you building the set?


At a secret mountain hideout.

jpsheets
01-22-2008, 09:10 AM
At a secret mountain hideout.


And it's got lasers!

Wild Imagination Films
01-22-2008, 10:05 PM
Tomorrow begins our set build and we're also going to be getting some outdoor footage we require. So far, everyone on the crew who has seen the early test footage is in love with it. Ok, not everyone. There is one nameless dissenter. But overall the reception is very positive. The most common response is "when can we see the rest of it?" I am very pleased with everything so far and I am very excited about the rest of this week and the weekend. The most challenging portion of the film is approaching and I am eager to take my shot.

BTW- The secret mountain hideout also has a dragon.

Wild Imagination Films
01-23-2008, 03:40 PM
According to the weather folk, our currently lovely fog and freezing temps are supposed to stick around another day or so. In the morning we go to film the adventure portion of the film. This is where the kayak will be coming into play. Our weather has been perfect for our filming schedule. I only hope the gods decide to continue to favor us.

Drew Ott
01-23-2008, 03:46 PM
Good luck on that one.

It's pretty nasty outside right now.

Robert Eldon
01-24-2008, 09:41 PM
According to weather.com, the weather doesn't look good for fairies flying. Good luck with the shoot. Looking forward to seeing this. Have fun!

Wild Imagination Films
01-24-2008, 09:59 PM
Well, we weren't shooting fairies, (they're out of season now. very short hunting season on fairies) but the footage of the young man in our film on his adventure came out quite nicely.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201240745.jpgHere I discuss the techniques used to keep the kayak nice side up. This particular boat has a very shallow draft and is somewhat tippy. Nick is 6'5'' and so, he was a little unsteady at first. But, being the trooper he is, he stayed with it no matter how many times I had him circle past the camera. This boat is a hand built, strip on frame 18 footer. The paddle is of the old world Greenland style. We were loaned this gorgeous craft on a handshake promise not to damage it and to bring it back when we were done. A world of thanks goes out to Gerald Kennedy in Gatesville, Texas for the use of this boat.
So far, we've been very fortunate to have had the weather on our side every time we've gone out to shoot. We needed a still clear night and in the middle of a week of fog, rain and wind, we got a clear, still night. We needed drizzle and overcast, today, both. It's so nice when things go your way.
We have had only two problems this whole time. The first was me getting sick. the second was when we were trying to bring the material home to start set construction. Little mishap with the Masonite.
But all is well this evening, I'm off to the ER to get cured and set construction will commence in the morning.
Toodles.

Luis Caffesse
01-24-2008, 11:18 PM
Hope you're well soon, Will.
Hang in there - LoveFest needs you!
:)

Wild Imagination Films
01-25-2008, 03:10 AM
Thank you Luis,
Doc said I should be better in a few days. Still shooting this weekend regardless.

Ted Arabian
01-25-2008, 03:28 AM
Well, we weren't shooting fairies, (they're out of season now. very short hunting season on fairies)
LOL! :grin:

Hey Will, that is a NICE kayak! Beautiful! Really nice of that guy to lend that to you.

Lucky that you got the weather that you wished for. Man, I would love to see our lakes and rivers flowing instead of frozen!!! I love Texas. I am going to have to get a visit back there sometime soon. (My parents live in Kyle, near San Marco) I'll have to look you up if I ever get that visit in!

Sorry to hear about your ER visit. ouch! Glad you are okay.

Happy shooting!!!

-Ted

Wild Imagination Films
01-25-2008, 02:46 PM
Ted, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say, on behalf of all of the DVXUser members here in Austin, If you came and see your folks and DON'T look us up, man, I wouldn't want to be Ted Arabian.
The weather is being mean today. My lead actor is working and now it's nice and foggy. Would have made some great footage. Unfortunately, as I don't have a pick up truck, I can't transport the lumber to start construction of the set. (rain+Masonite and boards=Tim Burton set, not Wild Imagination Films set.
Something will happen soon though. I can feel it in me bones.

Wild Imagination Films
01-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, it's Sunday and I think everyone survived. The entire cast and crew are under the weather in one form or another. Our "father" has walking pneumonia, Production staff is battling allergies and exhaustion, everyone is hacking, coughing, sneezing, etc.
Now, about the film. This weekend we built a "library" for a scene between two characters. We turned my friends garage into a menagerie. Saturday we did the build and today we filmed the scene. I think it looks great. I hope you will find it just as appealing.
We're in the home stretch and picking up speed. I hope to finish the edit no later than Wednesday.

Ted Arabian
01-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Hey Will, Thanks for the "nice' sentiment two posts back!!! I would LOVE to meet the Austin DVXuser clan! May have to make a visit to Texas before I am even ready to see my folks that are down there. (Long story, bad childhood, estranged from Dad and Step Mom, reunited only to be estranged again. Now my Dad wants a relationship. Guess I could head Texas... as I said, I now have a GOOD REASON!!!)

Glad to hear that you are overcoming the forces of nature!!!

Looking forward to grabs, bts, film!

Later!!!

-Ted

Wild Imagination Films
01-27-2008, 08:36 PM
Thanks Ted,
I am really glad I have had the opportunity to work with some really talented individuals on this project. I will never be able to repay them the services they have provided, but I will always remember them.
Here is but one of the scenes from today's shoot. It's a little dark right now, but I am not done with the post work.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201494721.jpg
Keep in mind, this is the inside of a two car garage and there was enough room to walk around 3/4 of the set. Only the wall directly behind the actor in the photo was too close to get behind. Set photos later this week.

Mark Harris
01-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Nice grab. It's really cool to see more and more people building sets as the fests go on. I think this fest has by far the most built sets of any yet. Of course living in NYC, the phrase "Two-car garage" is not in our vocabulary...

Ted Arabian
01-28-2008, 04:13 AM
Wow. Nice looking grab there, Will. I love that "etched" glass panel. Nice lighting on that.

I am curious how much detail you are going to be able to pull out of the dark areas in post. Unless the dark areas are supposed to be "detail-less."

Hearing what I've heard over the past week or so, I am really nervous about moving up to the HVX (when I ever do). I keep hearing about how hungry it is for light. Seems like an extra challenge for the DP.

Thanks for the grab! Glad to see the shoot is happening!

Oh! And I, too, think that it is cool that many sets are being created this go around. I love the advantages of having a set. A two-car garage is better than nothing, that is for sure. I can tell you that I am just loving the space that I have at the Opera House. It is so cool to be able to move the camera around the entire set.

Best!

-Ted

Ted Arabian
01-28-2008, 04:30 AM
Oh.... and yes.... these folks that give their time to help us make these films are truly wonderful and appreciated! We just can't do this without you!!! (Well, I did once. Hopefully never again!!!)

Thanks to the volunteers! :thumbsup: :beer:

Michael Anthony Horrigan
01-28-2008, 05:20 AM
Nice looking grab!

Cheers,

Mike

Wild Imagination Films
01-28-2008, 12:25 PM
The scene is pretty dark, but a tweak in post and it pops right out. It's really interesting to be on the set with the lights glaringly bright and then see how dark it is in post. We learned pretty quickly after our first night of shooting. You really can't have too much light. I think it may actually be an advantage.
On the subject of light... Really glad we weren't trying to light this conventionally. We used fluorescent lights. (1 two bank, 2 six banks, 2 four banks) We were in a two car garage in a 16x14 set. The only reason we got warm was because the garage door was in the sunlight and when it became warm... It would figure, when we were outside it was in the 20's.

Wild Imagination Films
01-28-2008, 12:50 PM
Here's another shot of the study.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201553323.jpg

Luis Caffesse
01-28-2008, 02:51 PM
Lookin good, Will
I'm enjoying seeing this one take shape.
You've really pulled it together.
:thumbsup:

kurtmo
01-28-2008, 05:05 PM
In a garage? I suppose you're using more than the garge door opener light ;)

I love the lighting!

Looking forward to this one. I like ambiance and it looks like you caught it.

Wild Imagination Films
01-28-2008, 05:23 PM
Hey Kurt,
Actually we just opened the door and let a little light under it. We figured out we could adjust the levels this way too.

Cast and Crew update: The "dad" wound up in the ER Sunday night. He has pneumonia. Our craft services person has some sort of cough (she didn't cough on the food though) Also sick and in bed are: creative artist, technical artist, sound guy, and the director. It's amazing. Not one person bailed during the weekend. Everyone stuck it out and then as soon as I called cut for the last time it was like someone cut all the power to the cast and crew. We didn't even leave the house where the set was built for another 5 hours. I was asleep on a couch.

However, we are all very happy with the initial results. There is still a long way to go between now and upload and not much time remaining.

big_dave3d
01-28-2008, 05:38 PM
As one of the Crew members on the set, I can proudly say that the film is starting to really shape up as well as we had hoped. Just for the record, Will is not exaggerating when he writes tales of woe and despair (and by despair I mean coughing and hacking) but I'll be damned if anybody complained or whined.

Seeing the screen grabs makes it all worth it. :)

-Dave

Wild Imagination Films
01-28-2008, 11:15 PM
I have to say I am still amazed at the professionalism of the all volunteer crew and cast I was able to work with on this film. Everyone pitched in and never asked for anything. On several occasions, crew and cast used their own money to help get this short film done. From costume rental to ink for printing props never used, everyone was amazing in their generosity and dedication to the goal. I would gladly work with every last one of them again, and plan to. (Every one except Dave, man, all he did was complain.)
I've moved the screenies to the front of the thread so you don't have to go a lookin' for them anymore.
Well, back to work.

Ted Arabian
01-29-2008, 02:56 AM
The father and son
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201553323.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1201553323.jpg)
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Will, I am really liking the look of your film. Is this a "period" piece? Some of those etched glass panels give me that feeling.

Sorry about the epidemic on the set... Glad that you have a group of troopers who never bailed on you.

Looking forward to the final cut!

-Ted

Wild Imagination Films
01-29-2008, 02:57 PM
Those "etched glass" panels could be sent to you in a mailer tube. My crew rocks and I love em all.

Ted Arabian
01-30-2008, 05:34 AM
Wow! Very cool. Did you order them online? Tell me where do I find these?

Mark Harris
01-30-2008, 05:57 AM
Yeah, I said before it's really cool to see all of the sets in this fest. And I can't wait to see the film, then hopefully you will post a BTS thing about exactly how cheap the set really is. Be helpful to others in the future.

Wild Imagination Films
01-30-2008, 08:24 AM
Our set is constructed of Masonite and the really cheap 1x2x8 strips at Home Depot. Dollar General for the curtains. My parents house for everything else. Everyone involved in the shoot brought something to put in the scene. We made the map and the leather sleeve for it. I may have to post pics of the stuff. It really made the difference. Total outlay for the set was, around 500. The "windows" are acetate and my art guy works at the place where they were printed. In real life they are not so pretty, but even he was impressed with the way they look now. I'm sure we could have spent less, but I don't know how much. Our biggest hindrance to shooting was the walls are eight feet and the actor is 6'5" You see where I'm going with this. I spent a lot of time not shooting up at him.

Ted Arabian
01-30-2008, 08:41 AM
Yeah, I have the same thing with my set. Low walls! I didn't feel like building the set any taller than what I already had for pieces. So a doors are headerless... the Blinds are strung to a pipe... The walls are pretty much entirely fabric! Which is great for moving the camera around!!!

Looking forward to you (and the crews/casts) film, Will!!!

Mark Harris
01-30-2008, 08:44 AM
I did too with my set. But fortunately, the floorboards are basically all covered up with furniture, so I was able to raise the wood paneling up higher.

Ted Arabian
01-30-2008, 08:48 AM
That works! I do have to be careful of my low shots as well! It is totally a film set and not a theatre set!!! LOL!

Wild Imagination Films
01-30-2008, 11:41 AM
I'm really jealous of you Ted. You have a whole theatre to work with. I'm trying to secure a warehouse location to start using as a soundstage. It's funny though. The only things I've found are the super huge industrial complexes or storage buildings. Still looking though. We're starting a couple of new projects while I'm finishing this one up and it's looking like we're going to be needing Green Screen capabilities for more than a little of them.
Building a set to shoot on was a really great experience. NExt time it'ss go much more quickly and smoothly.
Good luck to everyone.

mentatDUKE
01-31-2008, 08:22 AM
Wild Imagination, great costumes and production design. Really seems to add weight to the proceedings. Looking forward to your film.

Wild Imagination Films
01-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Thanks Mentat.
We worked really hard to find clothing we thought would help sell the idea of it being set in the late 1800s. Our actors were great sports and really enjoyed "playing dress up." I watched the trailer to your film. Looks like quite a project.

Danielleus
02-01-2008, 12:18 AM
Damn, this looks so awesome. And your actress totally looks like a fairy/nymph. I'm EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wild Imagination Films
02-02-2008, 12:27 AM
Well, I was very fortunate to have had the opportunity to work with some of the finest people on this project. We reviewed the footage from last week and decided the best thing we could do was reshoot the scene. For one actor, this meant another trip to the costume shop and a four hour drive from Houston to Austin. I am so thankful to have the best cast and crew, ever. So we spent a couple of hours in my friends garage again and I think we have some really good stuff this time.

Wild Imagination Films
02-02-2008, 11:01 PM
Editing now.

big_dave3d
02-03-2008, 07:16 PM
Just saw the first pass of the film and it is looking fantastic. The visuals are strong, the music is great and the performances are inspired all the way around.

If this is supposed to be about "Love", then I would say the mark has been hit:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

-Dave

Wild Imagination Films
02-04-2008, 07:50 PM
I gave the rough out edit to the composer today so he can start on it. It gives him the ideas he needs to be able to start writing the score. I'm now going back over the edit and tuning it up.

Wild Imagination Films
02-05-2008, 08:38 AM
Done. Now off to the music dude.

Wild Imagination Films
02-06-2008, 11:12 AM
Okay, Now it's really really done. No more changes. No more last minute edits. No more nothing but attaching the music to it when it is written, compress the whole lot and have it uploaded by deadline.

Ted Arabian
02-06-2008, 11:31 AM
Sounding good, Will. Looking forward to viewing this!

I wish I was at the music stage!!! :cry:

Soon.

-Ted

Jason Ramsey
02-06-2008, 12:10 PM
Wow, man. You're grabs are looking really nice... And, you're almost finished! Congrats.

Good luck, man. This one is highly anticipated for me.

Later,
Jason

Wild Imagination Films
02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Ted, Jason,
Thanks for the nice thoughts. We (the Wild Imagination Team and everyone else) really threw everything into this film. The more we worked on it the more everyone got behind it and the more it just started driving itself. We had originally said there would be only practical effects in it and we kept to our decision. We built a set for our main scene and did location work for everything else. In one scene we were shooting I later found out the temperature was 22 degrees.
This film started out as an idea in my head and quickly became an idea in everyones heads. No one person made this film. Without the assistance of ever single member of the cast and crew, it wouldn't have happened.
I am really excited about entering this in the fest and regardless of the outcome, I hope everyone takes a moment (actually 5min and 58 seconds of moments) to watch it. Not for me, but for everyone who worked on it.

Wild Imagination Films
02-07-2008, 05:59 PM
After accidentally seeing the post about the end credits being "AFTER" the last scene, an artistic choice had to be discarded and a new edit done. Now it's finished and the rendering begins.

Jason Ramsey
02-07-2008, 06:20 PM
Did you get your music back yet, or are you going to have to send that off again?

Almost there, man.

Later,
Jason

Wild Imagination Films
02-07-2008, 06:29 PM
I had to advance the video a few seconds in order to meet compliance. I don't think it's going to wind up critical but I'll be taking a new render to the composer tomorrow evening.

Dustin R. Rogan
02-07-2008, 06:32 PM
I'm going to be watching yours first sir, it made me think. If its the one i think you're doing!

Good luck to you sir!

Dustin

Wild Imagination Films
02-07-2008, 07:33 PM
Which one do you think it is? To the best of my knowledge, I think there has only been one fairy tale.

Luis Caffesse
02-08-2008, 12:18 AM
I think it's the one that kicks ass, right?
:)

Hope it's coming along well, Will.

Wild Imagination Films
02-08-2008, 02:56 PM
No Luis, we decided the ass-kicking fairy tale was in poor taste. So instead we went with a really sweet and poignant fairy tale. JK
Yup, it's the kick ass one.
Everything is going to be a race to the wire. Final compression should be going by noon tomorrow and then in line to upload.

Dustin R. Rogan
02-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Which one do you think it is? To the best of my knowledge, I think there has only been one fairy tale.

I'll pm you

Wild Imagination Films
02-10-2008, 03:02 AM
Winter, A Fairy Tale is now uploaded to the contest. Look for more grabs in the coming days. Right now, I'm going to bed. I'm so tired I don't even wanna think about films.
Monday I am starting on the behind the scenes, making of, ultimate cool edition of Winter, The DVD. I feel I owe it to the people who did such a great job on this project. I hope everyone likes this film as much as we enjoyed working on it. I have enjoyed the banter and the ribbing in the threads and look forward to relaxing and WATCHING the other entries.
Congratulations to all who get one turned in. Thanks again to the wonderful hosts of this site and the contest and most of all thanks to the cast and crew of Winter.

Jason Ramsey
02-10-2008, 09:28 AM
awesome, man. Glad you made it and all is well. Good luck to you.

Later,
jason

hordeprime
02-10-2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.mpedro.com/temp/WINTER_PosterSAFE_WEB.jpg

Drew Ott
02-10-2008, 02:40 PM
That looks really cool Mike.

Nicely done.

Brandon Rice
02-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Yeah, that's a slick poster!

Luis Caffesse
02-10-2008, 04:38 PM
Great poster - congrats on getting everything finished up and uploaded.
I know if you were able to get even half of what were hoping to into this film, this is going to be one to watch for.

Looking forward to it, Will.
:thumbsup:

Michael Anthony Horrigan
02-10-2008, 05:05 PM
Superb poster!
This will be one of my top 5 to watch right off the bat.

Expect an early review. :)

Cheers!

Wild Imagination Films
02-10-2008, 09:43 PM
On behalf of the fantastic crew and cast of Winter, thank you for all the nice things and encouragement everyone has been giving us. We're all very happy with our entry and hope everyone gets a chance to see it.

big_dave3d
02-11-2008, 08:28 AM
Ditto! My first Fest with this group and what an experience.. HOOOWAHHH!! Lots of Blood Sweat and Tears but I think people will be pleased and impressed and now I can't wait to see everyone else's!

How exciting indeed.

-Dave

Ted Arabian
02-11-2008, 08:53 AM
Hey Guys, congrats on getting your film completed and uploaded! I am really looking forward to seeing your work again, Will.

Best,

Ted

Wild Imagination Films
02-11-2008, 12:30 PM
Thanks Ted. I think you will be very pleased to spend 6 minutes of your time with this entry.

Wild Imagination Films
02-11-2008, 03:55 PM
Poster Up At The Beginning Of The Thread

Dustin R. Rogan
02-11-2008, 04:17 PM
diggin the poster William

Blaine
02-11-2008, 04:38 PM
Nice poster. I like the grabs, too. :love4:

hordeprime
02-11-2008, 05:01 PM
diggin the poster William

Thanks! :D

Jason Ramsey
02-11-2008, 05:04 PM
yeah, cool poster.

Like I said I'm digging the grabs, and the concept sounds very interesting.

Good luck to you guys.

Later,
Jason

jpsheets
02-11-2008, 05:48 PM
I saw the contest version today and I have to say that I'm proud that my original love story gave way to such an inspired film. Although I have a few regrets about not doing a Sasquatch love story period piece.

Seriously though, the final cut is great, and while we all wish we could have done a few things differently, with budget and time constraints this has really turned out to be a great little film. I hope you guys take time to check it out.

cheers,

JP

Ted Arabian
02-12-2008, 05:26 AM
Here is the poster

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774252.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20598/1202774252.jpg)


Wow! This is a cool poster! Very nice.

Marlon Ladd
02-12-2008, 05:31 AM
Yeah, I agree with Ted and the guys. That poster is sweet. It pulls you in. Nice job.

Wild Imagination Films
02-12-2008, 04:11 PM
Just to make certain everyone caught this.....
The poster is the work of HordePrime aka Mike Pedro. Check out his work, there's a link to it on his sig.

-Will

jojopop
02-12-2008, 04:28 PM
All the effects are going to be practical.

That, along with everything else I'm seeing... I'm sold. Anxiously awaiting this one!! :laugh:

Paraheadache
02-13-2008, 07:30 PM
New to the DVX User forum. Working with WIF on this project has been fun and challenging, and I have just now had time to sit at the computer & catch up on some things. I can't believe Winter is finally finished, uploaded, and viewable! The weeks flew by. While it's a relief to have this one complete, I can hardly wait for the next project to begin. Perhaps JP's Sasquatch piece? ;)

Ted Arabian
02-13-2008, 08:58 PM
Hey Will and crew, just watched you film!

I must say, first off, that I am confused. This felt like two different stories. I know that I must be missing something and will watch it again.

I enjoyed the cinematography and the lighting, though I felt many of the cuts in the indoor scene were unmotivated and would cut to a similar shots. I would like to have seen some insert shots, c/u on hands, glass, book, etc. to get you to a new shot.

The outdoor scenes were beautiful and moving. Loved them!

Sound design needs a bit of work to smooth over some cutting between dialogue but the other than that, I thought that it sound good and I enjoyed the music.

Great job. I will be watching this again!

Congrats,

Ted

Michael Anthony Horrigan
02-13-2008, 09:01 PM
Nice work. The look was very cool, it really suited the mood.
I thought the pacing was a tad slow in spots but that's probably just a personal thing. Pretty decent acting as well.

Nice work overall.

Cheers,

Mike

Aaron Marshall
02-14-2008, 09:38 AM
I deeply admire your effort on this film. I thought many elements were very mystical and well done. I loved the falling snow elements, and the makeup. The writing wasn't bad, but I just did not enjoy the performances. The actors seemed too stuck in performing attitudes instead of coming from a place of truth, or roots with their character. The blocking on the other hand was great. I don't want to say the actors did a bad job necessarily, but perhaps miscast?

This was one of the films I was looking forward to seeing after having a cursory look at what the LoveFest had to offer. In a lot of ways I think I built it up in my head too much. Take that into consideration.

It is not easy to do a low budget fantasy style film. You did a great job.

HBlack
02-14-2008, 01:26 PM
The first thing that I didn't like was the relatively poor audio. Could have used some better foley work; some of the footsteps seemed off to me. I thought the scene where he was walking through the forest and climbing rocks would have been much better with sound. The quality of the dialogue itself was lacking as well. I'm not sure what it was, perhaps a better mic could have fixed it?
The score was well done, and complimented the film nicely.

I really like the set you used (which immediately added to the production value), as well as the setting for the outdoor scenes. As was mentioned by Kholi though, the jerky camera detracted from it. Framing could have been improved as well. I realize the glow on the whites was probably the look you were going for, but I personally didn't find it effective.

All in all, it seemed like it was missing something. Again I agree with Kholi, this story would have been well suited to something larger. It definitely had an epic feel to it, something that was likely impossible to realize within the time limit. It was an enjoyable film regardless.

Drew Ott
02-14-2008, 08:54 PM
I just watched the piece. I thought you guys did good work and all the effort you talked about showed through.

The snow sequence was definitely visually stimulating, as was the entire outdoor section. I have to agree with others though and say that I didn't think the two parts matched up very well. It did feel like two different films almost, but I understood how they connected when I took a mental step back and reevaluated.

I also didn't quite feel a strong kind of any emotion with the ***spoiler*** reveal of the nymph ***end spoiler*** where I thought I should have. I didn't know that the boy was looking for her or why he was journeying so I couldn't quite connect.

All in all I thought it was an entertaining film with a few minor story problems that kept it from being great.

jpsheets
02-15-2008, 08:37 AM
I just watched the piece. I thought you guys did good work and all the effort you talked about showed through.

The snow sequence was definitely visually stimulating, as was the entire outdoor section. I have to agree with others though and say that I didn't think the two parts matched up very well. It did feel like two different films almost, but I understood how they connected when I took a mental step back and reevaluated.

I also didn't quite feel a strong kind of any emotion with the ***spoiler*** reveal of the nymph ***end spoiler*** where I thought I should have. I didn't know that the boy was looking for her or why he was journeying so I couldn't quite connect.

All in all I thought it was an entertaining film with a few minor story problems that kept it from being great.


Thanks, Drew. Now that's good constructive criticism. That's well appreciated.

cheers,

JP

Jared Meyer
02-15-2008, 06:02 PM
Wow, you guys sure were ambitious! I don't really want to critique this because you all obviously put so much effort into it - it's a flawed short, but I think I can boil down the problems (for me) to one main thing: it's just trying to be too epic for a six minute short. The story was confusing and disjointed and I never had a handle on the basics -who is he, what does he want, what actions has he decided to take to achieve his goals and why, blah blah blah....

Things I liked:

Coolest camera prop in the fest, bar none :thumbsup:
Very detailed set (you built that??) with nice props/decoration/design
Shots in the snow were killer. I can't believe that snow falling was real.
Canoe and mountain climbing shots were great.

The hardest part about making a short film, for me at least, is resisting the urge to throw everything in, including the kitchen sink. My stories all tend to be large, sprawling, messy and convoluted....and those are the 60 second ones. :) If you keep honing the basic story principles the rest will fall into place. I can't wait to see what you guys do next...!

hoz
02-15-2008, 07:43 PM
Your film attempted to do a lot in 6 minutes and for this i give you much credit. I thoroughly enjoyed the snow falling. wow. nice work. how did you pull this off? ( sorry if you already answered my question, i did not yet read this entire thread - i wish to give you a review free of influence from others ) Was it real snow? The canoe scene was also very original- cool ! The clothes and the set were really well thought out too. Very strong story telling!

I also liked the idea of your overall story. I would say that i wish i saw more of the man's journey and less of the man's conversation with his father. I got the point of their conflict from the get go. The father's acting was admirable but over the top. If the father had no time for the son as a youngster than why would he have time for the son as a man?

Maybe give a reason as to why the father is talking with the son, like " it's now time for you to take over the business - " and then boom, conflict - " You sound like your mother." " My mother, what do you know of my mother-" I don't know, something like that- that's if you wish to hold together a longer scene with the father.

But i do wish to have seen more of the son's trek. And maybe more on where he was attempting to go- or to find. or was he running away? i think he was looking for a life somewhere. to find someone. Maybe give an inkling of the nymph before we see her at the end. Like as if she was with him all along? I offer ideas only because i think your film is close to being excellent - and because i see a lot of work and effort - and it shows! I hope you can work on this further and that you might share it here if you do.

Nice film!

Gohanto
02-15-2008, 09:04 PM
Very nice work overall. Set and costume design were both very well done. Lighting was nice, but the digital "look" it had didn't really work for me. Too much for my taste.

Shots were interesting throughout (I really liked holding the shot on the notebook while the dialog played over it). The story confused me and I'm not entirely sure what was going on for parts of it, but it was very interesting to watch and you certainly got an interesting style where everything worked well together. You led an orchestra in a piece where everything flowed well with each other, and with all the components in this that is impressive.

Nice job.

Chris Messineo
02-15-2008, 09:32 PM
The antique camera is awesome.

The first scene feels a little long and the dialogue a little too on the nose, but after that it really picks up.

I loved the outdoor shots: the kayak, the snow, and the fairy - great stuff.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 12:33 AM
For those of you who have watched the film and yet still make comments about not understanding it, I would have to recommend watching it a second time and pay very close attention to the very beginning.
For everyone who felt this should have been a longer piece and it was missing something in the transition from in to out side, well, OK.
I have gone over the comments a few times trying to understand the confusion. I watched the uploaded film to be certain there wasn't a problem. What downloaded was exactly what I uploaded.
So here is a list of issues and responses:
1. Jerky camera work in a couple of scenes- yup, it was. Fault, the guy behind the camera (me)
1.5 Edits were rough- yes they were, especially when I forgot to put the cross-fades in again.
2. Acting over the top, too much, etc.- It's supposed to be. It's acting, it's drama, it's a movie set at the turn of the century, 1899-1900. Just like the costumes... It's a fairy tale.
3. Too big for a short film- Opinion, taken at face value. However, every line, every move pushes the story. We cover the three parts of a film, beginning/ middle/ end. Many of the entries I watched were just bits of things, a part of someones day...

All in all, I think many of the reviews indicate way too much thinking and not enough watching. This wasn't supposed to be Syriana, or Lord of the Rings. This was a film done by a group of people brought together by a great film idea who had a blast (apart from the plague running through the production) making a really fun to watch film.
Not every shot was perfect. We had some equipment issues, and some environmental ones as well.
Go back, watch the film again. This time though, just let it wash over you instead of looking for the faults. They're there. If you want, I can send you a list of every single one. But try to watch the film as someone other than a filmmaker. For cryin' out loud, we made it snow in Texas, on a fairy.
-Will

Jared Meyer
02-17-2008, 12:55 AM
Will, I think if you didn't want critiques, maybe you should have said so. "Hey everyone, here's our entry, we don't want or need criticism or feedback, hope you enjoy it." But really, the norm here is for people to watch your film, think about it, analyze and critique it, telling you what they liked and didn't like.

Everyone who enters these fests puts their film out their to be viewed critically by their peers. Constructive criticism has always been a part of it.

Every single Lovefest thread here is full of comments and criticism, no holds barred within the realm of kindness and honesty...Personally, I think people have been leaving great comments this go-round.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 12:56 AM
So for everyone who was able to watch and enjoy the film despite it's faults, here are some factoids for you:
*The camera was my Great Grandfather's and it's over one hundred years old. It still works. I have the glass plate negatives from it. I have printed images from them both "old school" and digitally. Unreal detail.
*There are two black powder pistols on the table. My father made them. There are four more woodcarvings by my father in the study.
*The watches in the film are from the 1800's. The still keep very accurate time.
*The spear on the wall behind dad is from the Philippines, so is the shield between the windows.
*Speaking of windows, they are printed on acetate. We rolled them up today when we struck the set.
*Mom's dress is a Victorian wedding dress.
*The "locket" around her neck is a metal match box with a fairy embossed on the front and the curved top slides over to expose the matches.
*The camera is over a hundred years old. It was my Great Grandfather's. It still functions. I have the original glass plates from his adventures. I've printed form them both "old school" and digitally. Unbelievable detail.
*There is a shield and spear from the Philippines hanging on the wall.
*On the table
- The Lament Configuration from Hellraiser.
- A Magic Window from the 70's. blue and white sand, oval.
- The Compass Rose on the map is a tattoo from the back of my neck
*The watches in the film are both from the late 1800's.
*The Kayak is handmade and weighs 40 lbs.
*The snow was real. Well, real in the sense of you could touch it. We had a
snow machine.
*I made the fairy outfit by hand the night before the shooting.
-Will

Kholi
02-17-2008, 12:58 AM
I did remove my post/review in this thread. I think you've made a valid point in that we should watch as an audience and less as a filmmaker.

Thanks for bringing that to light.

Jared Meyer
02-17-2008, 12:58 AM
Awesome factoids.

I was wondering about the snow. For some reason I thought it was real, but that's just as cool that you guys got ahold of a snow machine. :)

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 01:09 AM
Will, I think if you didn't want critiques, maybe you should have said so. "Hey everyone, here's our entry, we don't want or need criticism or feedback, hope you enjoy it." But really, the norm here is for people to watch your film, think about it, analyze and critique it, telling you what they liked and didn't like.

Everyone who enters these fests puts their film out their to be viewed critically by their peers. Constructive criticism has always been a part of it.

Every single thread here is full of comments and criticism, no holds barred within the realm of kindness and honesty...I think people have been leaving great comments this go-round.

Thank you Jared for your comments and your response to my response.

I wasn't trying to say I don't want our film judged or to hear what people thought of it. Were this the case, I wouldn't have entered it at all. My response was to simply say, "I know the film has some issues, but there is a whole lot of really fun stuff to look at if you're not looking for the "issues." Perhaps I should have made the film a longer and thus exhibition only work.

Jared Meyer
02-17-2008, 01:19 AM
It's all good, Will. I'm actually one of the ones who didn't completely understand it on the first pass, so I'm re-watching it right now. Regardless of any story problems I might have with the short, I can definitely appreciate and applaud all of the lovingly crafted details throughout. :) Hope I didn't offend you in any of my comments/criticisms. I really am looking forward to the next W.I.F. project.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 01:22 AM
Awesome factoids.

I was wondering about the snow. For some reason I thought it was real, but that's just as cool that you guys got ahold of a snow machine. :)


I did remove my post/review in this thread. I think you've made a valid point in that we should watch as an audience and less as a filmmaker.

Thanks for bringing that to light.


Jared, would it count as real if I told you it was only 25 degrees while we were filming the scene?

Kholi, and everyone else who offered critiques,
I was trying to respond to the specific comments made concerning the scope of the film and so on. If I came across as touchy or unwilling to listen to criticism, it was unintentional.
We made the film hoping it would be watched not so much to find the mistakes, but more to be enjoyed as vastly different from any of the other 50 films. We strove to create a world and a vision far removed from reality and the expected. No green screens, no CGI characters, just good old fashioned film-making and story telling.
I found it very interesting how several people felt it should be a longer film. I was flattered to see the word "epic" applied to it.
I wish we had had a longer time limit because it would have allowed us to follow the son longer on his trek. It might have seen more of the fairy as well. I like the idea of seeing her before he showed up. What is her daily (or nightly) life like?
Anyway, I have said my piece.
-Will

Kholi
02-17-2008, 01:25 AM
Those weren't mistakes that I watched for, they jumped out at me. I think that the practice may be all wrong in giving "thorough" thoughts instead of just saying a few words and moving on.

Zak Forsman
02-17-2008, 01:28 AM
Those weren't mistakes that I watched for, they jumped out at me. I think that the practice may be all wrong in giving "thorough" thoughts instead of just saying a few words and moving on.

GAAHHHH!!! please don't adopt this new review methodology until AFTER you watch IFHY. i want to hear every impression that crosses your mind as you watch it, good or bad, filmmaker or not.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 01:28 AM
It's all good, Will. I'm actually one of the ones who didn't completely understand it on the first pass, so I'm re-watching it right now. Regardless of any story problems I might have with the short, I can definitely appreciate and applaud all of the lovingly crafted details throughout. :) Hope I didn't offend you in any of my comments/criticisms. I really am looking forward to the next W.I.F. project.


No offense meant, none taken.
Thank you for the compliments.
Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification. I thought everything was clearly explained, perhaps I was wrong?
More factoids...
*The set we shot on is in a two car garage. It was actually a 360 degree room built to be shot from any angle.
*Unfortunately, the walls were only 8 feet high and Nick is 6'5". This limits the angles you can shoot him from. There aren't very many shots of the two of them because of the difference in their height.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 01:33 AM
Ok Zak,
I didn't watch your entry because, in all honesty, I was offended from the moment you put the title up. I also won't be casting votes for any film with the "F-Bomb" in them. I was really incensed when I told my mother to go to the site to see the film we entered and to have her see the entire F****ing word spelled out.
Not too harsh was I?

Kholi, I'm really not trying to pick on you. Your reviews are really just a testament to how much effort you put into watching and thinking about the films. This I appreciate. You should continue to be specific about what you see.

Zak Forsman
02-17-2008, 01:46 AM
Ok Zak,
I didn't watch your entry because, in all honesty, I was offended from the moment you put the title up. I also won't be casting votes for any film with the "F-Bomb" in them. I was really incensed when I told my mother to go to the site to see the film we entered and to have her see the entire F****ing word spelled out.
Not too harsh was I?

sorry. i liked yours.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 01:49 AM
I'm glad you did. I wish you had put a different title on yours. (I also couldn't get it to download.)
Evidently I am in the easily offended minority. Too bad? Seems like many other thought very highly of your project.

Zak Forsman
02-17-2008, 01:58 AM
I'm glad you did. I wish you had put a different title on yours. (I also couldn't get it to download.)
Evidently I am in the easily offended minority. Too bad? Seems like many other thought very highly of your project.
i think that's because it's about something much deeper than they expected. to give it a title that pointed at this, however, would have been presumptuous and highly pretentious. so I chose to name it after a lyric from a song that illustrated the main character's frustration and anger -- which he needed to release in all its brutal honesty before he could discover beneath it, the truth about how much he loved this girl, in the very moment he was about to lose her forever.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 02:15 AM
I know the song, and the sentiment. I will watch your film Zak Forsman, because you have taken the time to explain yourself and your choice regarding the title. If I can get it to download and play.

Zak Forsman
02-17-2008, 02:26 AM
i don't think you're going to like it.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 02:34 AM
Zak, check your thread...

Shawn Philip Nelson
02-17-2008, 09:34 AM
Hmm, interesting. It had a strong 80s soap-opera feel to it. Mostly due to the lighting, heavy pro-mist and synth soundtrack. If that's the look you wanted, you did it!

My favorite shots were the glowing snow, I really liked that. Good production design, with the exception of that modern glass thingy right in the middle of all the antiques.

hordeprime
02-17-2008, 10:19 AM
I did remove my post/review in this thread. I think you've made a valid point in that we should watch as an audience and less as a filmmaker.

Thanks for bringing that to light.

Kholi, I think your review was positive, as well as duly noted.

As "filmmakers," we should never cease giving each other a critical eye. It's a disservice to ourselves and others to sit back and say "Nice job!" every time, and not offer up comments and criticism. As "filmmakers" (and dare I say artists), it's our responsibililty to grow and push ourselves and others, rather than sitting back expecting to have our asses kissed.

Telling someone to "just be an audience" is tantamount to saying "Just shut up and watch it."

Jack Daniel Stanley
02-17-2008, 10:42 AM
The work put into the Art Direction is impressive.

I can tell the actors are trained but seem to be working in more theatrical style. I didn't believe the father.

The glowy white diffusion look never works for me. It looks soap operish, cheasy, and like video and negates the art direction.

The work that went into the art direction was impressive. But the set walls coupled with the filter gave it a Dark Shadows or soap opera feel.

The dialogue seemed forced, there to serve exposition, and too on the nose.

I didn't find it engaging except for a few moments, but certainly not throughout.

The white fairy imagery in the snow is stunning.

The story didn't make any sense to me ... Mom gave him book that he gives to his dad and he takes a khayaking trip and white fairy finds him .... whaaa?

Jack Daniel Stanley
02-17-2008, 10:50 AM
As "filmmakers," we should never cease giving each other a critical eye. It's a disservice to ourselves and others to sit back and say "Nice job!" every time, and not offer up comments and criticism. As "filmmakers" (and dare I say artists), it's our responsibililty to grow and push ourselves and others, rather than sitting back expecting to have our asses kissed.

Telling someone to "just be an audience" is tantamount to saying "Just shut up and watch it."
EXACTLY
the fact that people who have written well thought out critiques have been made to feel so uncomfortable that they deleted them is more obscene than the "F" word

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 02:31 PM
Winter- A Fairy Tale, Explained.
The story the mother is telling the little boy at the beginning of the film... It's the end of the film. "He looked up into the eyes of the fairy and knew he had found his true love, and they lived happily ever after."
The conversation with his father reiterates how the mother filled his head with nonsense about finding true love when she should have been telling him about hard work and dedication.
The book is the mother's diary. In it she tells of the sadness and loneliness she feels. The father had promised her he would love her and so on, but didn't because he was too busy working. The son gives the book to his father so he'll understand why his son despises him.
The ending is just a fanciful depiction of him searching for something he'll recognize when he sees it.
In the end they become the two flowers. Just like in the stained glass windows.

Robert Eldon
02-17-2008, 03:28 PM
Winter, A Fairy Tale
Oh my gosh! I loved the expectation from the beginning. The images are beautiful. The soft glowing images reminded me a lot of “The Illusionist”. The lighting was very well done.

I thought the acting was good, maybe a little affected. I couldn’t hear the dialog at some times.

I really appreciate the locations and ‘big picture’ feel this has. There were amazing locations in this. I would have liked to see one establishing shot of some vast mountain expanse or valley before the shots of his ‘journey’. I know that’s probably not possible, but it ‘felt’ like there could have been one. My favorite shot is as he approaches the cave with the snow falling. It has an other worldly feel to it.

The story seemed disconnected? It seemed like a much bigger story than was able to be told in 6 minutes and believe me, I know how that works (or doesn’t work as the case may be). There didn’t seem to be motivation for his ‘journey’ and the ending? I got the two flowers and referenced them in the stained glass window from the beginning, but didn't understand the connection?

Overall, I loved the images in this. The promise of the story didn’t satisfy the ending for me. I would love to see a longer version of this! I wanted more. Great job!

Maximus
02-17-2008, 04:03 PM
It was great to see a historical romance. I thought you captured the Victorian era really well. I did not realize the library was a set until I read the thread. Great job! The set dressings and props really sold it. The costumes were also very good.

I liked the story, and the ending really had a magical quality. It reminded me a little of Legend, with the snow and all, and that is meant as a compliment.

My main critique would be the cinematography. The soft focus and flares gave it an 80s video feel. I think a desaturated or sepia tone would have been more appropriate for the time period.

Don't be discouraged by negative comments. They are meant to be food for thought, if nothing else.

Look forward to your next film!

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 06:15 PM
We wanted the film to have a softer look. Sort of dreamy, I don't know, Fairy Tale? I realized after I had submitted the version you have seen how heavy handed I had been with the glow. Subsequent re-edits have decrease and fine tuned the effect for a much more appealing look.
I would have liked the opportunity to have had some "epic" shots, however, we were trying to get as much information in as possible.
I thought the study scene was the way to give the back story and set up what was to come. Maybe I missed the mark.
I'm glad those of you who enjoyed the work did. If it didn't, well at least it was free.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 06:26 PM
Hmm, interesting. It had a strong 80s soap-opera feel to it. Mostly due to the lighting, heavy pro-mist and synth soundtrack. If that's the look you wanted, you did it!

My favorite shots were the glowing snow, I really liked that. Good production design, with the exception of that modern glass thingy right in the middle of all the antiques.

The Modern glass thingy is actually the oldest piece on the entire set. It's a Galileo thermometer. The really old kind invented by the old Italian guy. Right next to it however, a real 1970's Wham-O Magic Window.

Shawn Philip Nelson
02-17-2008, 06:51 PM
The Modern glass thingy is actually the oldest piece on the entire set. It's a Galileo thermometer. The really old kind invented by the old Italian guy. Right next to it however, a real 1970's Wham-O Magic Window.

I have no doubt that the design is old, but the piece itself looked fresh from Wal-Mart. Are you saying the actual glass is an antique?

Michael Anthony Horrigan
02-17-2008, 07:06 PM
The Modern glass thingy is actually the oldest piece on the entire set. It's a Galileo thermometer. The really old kind invented by the old Italian guy. Right next to it however, a real 1970's Wham-O Magic Window.Yes, but the one you have isn't actually from that era right? It's a modern day remake. I have one exactly like it.

First thing I noticed. :thumbsup:

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 07:12 PM
Yup. But I don't think the design has changed. My brief research on the net didn't turn up anything looking any different than the one we have.
Can you see the Hellraiser box on the far side of the table? I can't tell, but I know it's there.

Matthew R. Rodwell
02-17-2008, 07:12 PM
I still don't understand why he didn't pick up the camera (assuming thats what was in the bag) when it fell as he was climbing, judging by the trees around him it looks like he was only about 5-10 feet up the rocks. Thats determination right there, a man that won't be slowed down by anything! :D

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 07:19 PM
But have you been climbing on Bull Creek, in the rain, in Doc Martins? It's treacherous. To have gone back would have been too risky. Plus, it's not like he was going to need it in a couple of minutes anyway.
(Actually, the bag contained my paramedic text book.)
We were going to do the scene next to the Pennybacker Bridge on 360 at the river, but it was too cold and we didn't have a lot of time to shoot. The kayak stuff took a little more time than I had thought. Had we, the bag would have fallen a really long way.
To be honest, there was talk of flying up to Utah and going to one of the snowboarding resorts and shooting him going over the ridge in the snow, but then there would have been all manner of "Where did all the snow go?" questions. Trying to get people together when everyone has jobs is also quite a logistical nightmare. So... maybe one day we'll revisit Winter and make a longer film. I'd like to.

ugafan
02-17-2008, 07:41 PM
Winter- A Fairy Tale, Explained.
The story the mother is telling the little boy at the beginning of the film... It's the end of the film. "He looked up into the eyes of the fairy and knew he had found his true love, and they lived happily ever after."
The conversation with his father reiterates how the mother filled his head with nonsense about finding true love when she should have been telling him about hard work and dedication.
The book is the mother's diary. In it she tells of the sadness and loneliness she feels. The father had promised her he would love her and so on, but didn't because he was too busy working. The son gives the book to his father so he'll understand why his son despises him.
The ending is just a fanciful depiction of him searching for something he'll recognize when he sees it.
In the end they become the two flowers. Just like in the stained glass windows.

thank you for the explanation because honestly i didn't get it when i watched the film.

Wild Imagination Films
02-17-2008, 08:19 PM
I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to watch Winter. I have just finished talking with my brother about this project. He had no previous knowledge of the story going in and his initial response was, I'm a little confused by all of this. He than very carefully explained what was missing, and after I explained everything to him, he said...If you had to tell me this, then the story is confusing. People only see what you show them and know only what they see on the screen.
Look to our next film to correct all of the shortcomings this film had.
-Will

Ted Arabian
02-18-2008, 10:05 AM
Hey Will, I have revisited your film as I promised and found some of the initial confusion I had cleared up.

It's funny, the opening dialogue over the credits was lost on me as we entered the parlor scene. And everything that is in that opening dialogue is what this film is about. I am sorry that I forgot it too soon.

On reason for this may be the nature of these 6 minute shorts. There is just so little time to tell your story.

This is just a thought/suggestion... what would happen if, while the son was out exploring in the winter time IF SECTIONS OF THE OPENING DIALOGUE WERE REPEATED?

I know that I hate beating an audience over the head, but in this case it may work. If anything, the beginning and end would come together and the message may have been a little clearer. Just a thought.

Again, a wonderful film made by you and your crew. Wonderful attention to detail and some incredible images.

Best to you and congrats on this film!

-Ted

hoz
02-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to watch Winter. I have just finished talking with my brother about this project. He had no previous knowledge of the story going in and his initial response was, I'm a little confused by all of this. He than very carefully explained what was missing, and after I explained everything to him, he said...If you had to tell me this, then the story is confusing. People only see what you show them and know only what they see on the screen.
Look to our next film to correct all of the shortcomings this film had.
-Will


your brother gives great advice. you did have a lot of great things in your film, don't overlook that! you used a snow making machine, how cool is that? ( is this a hard thing to use? ) you stuck your actor out in a canoe in the middle of winter, not an easy thing to do, i am most sure. ( " you want to me to do what? why would my character do this?" ) the vision of what you had is giant and should not be forgotten, you thought big, real big, especially for a six minute entry. i bet with the footage you already have you can re-edit to make it much more clear ( show us more of the nymph !) .

anyways, congrats to you and your crew. also, congrats for seeing that people here are writing to help out and not hurt you. these fests are so awesome in how so many people chime in with stuff. in my opinion, silence here is deafening.

mentatDUKE
02-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Will, this was an interesting film. The soft look reminded me of "Legend". I love the production design and outfits. The acting was decent although I think I preferred the father to the main character. He seemed more believable.


The fairy was cool looking.

Nice job.

MattinSTL
02-18-2008, 12:33 PM
This was a really ballsy move... lots of guts to try to pull off many scenes. Like some other entries I felt honored to watch your effort because of how much work you clearly put into this... DVXuser is like a club of cool people that we're lucky to be involved with... and there was a lot to like about your entry. I like the significance of the flowers... I guess that means that he joined her in death? Either way it works... a lot of this has a very very cool look to it.

OK... so now if you'll take this with a grain of salt... I wasn't sure what to make of some of the camera moves... just Saturday I shot a segment where the director wanted me to combine some "live feel" with the tripod... so I introduced motion into a shot on sticks, and as I was doing it I couldn't decide if I thought it was working or not... and I felt like you had some of that in here. There were a couple camera moves that I found to be more distracting than supportive of the story. I also noticed a couple minor bumps. Aside from that, that's about all I can say... this is a pretty solid entry.

Wild Imagination Films
02-18-2008, 04:19 PM
Hey Will, I have revisited your film as I promised and found some of the initial confusion I had cleared up.

It's funny, the opening dialogue over the credits was lost on me as we entered the parlor scene. And everything that is in that opening dialogue is what this film is about. I am sorry that I forgot it too soon.

On reason for this may be the nature of these 6 minute shorts. There is just so little time to tell your story.

This is just a thought/suggestion... what would happen if, while the son was out exploring in the winter time IF SECTIONS OF THE OPENING DIALOGUE WERE REPEATED?

I know that I hate beating an audience over the head, but in this case it may work. If anything, the beginning and end would come together and the message may have been a little clearer. Just a thought.

Again, a wonderful film made by you and your crew. Wonderful attention to detail and some incredible images.

Best to you and congrats on this film!

-Ted

Ted, thanks for watching again. (Glad everything else is over also) We actually struggled over the idea of going back to previous times while he was "out in the world." We felt the flashbacks might be poorly received. We have scripts with them, we just chose not to use them.

Other ideas we have since come up with would be to show the growth of the little boy into his current age and even show the mother wasting away and dying. There was a line originally in the heated portion of the father son conversation when Nick was to say "... you let schoolmasters raise the son...while your wife whithered away from neglect." In the heat of the scene, Tom jumped all over Nick and it was so real we just left it alone. Crew members listening to them rehearse said they cried at some points. It was a really powerful scene. I let them run it through from start to finish and just ran camera. We did a bunch of takes and I was able to jump back and forth from several in the edit.
Other ideas were to do a match cut from the boy closing his eyes and then Nick opening his, more scenes of Nick and the mother with the father somewhere in the background.




your brother gives great advice. you did have a lot of great things in your film, don't overlook that! you used a snow making machine, how cool is that? ( is this a hard thing to use? ) you stuck your actor out in a canoe in the middle of winter, not an easy thing to do, i am most sure. ( " you want to me to do what? why would my character do this?" ) the vision of what you had is giant and should not be forgotten, you thought big, real big, especially for a six minute entry. i bet with the footage you already have you can re-edit to make it much more clear ( show us more of the nymph !) .

anyways, congrats to you and your crew. also, congrats for seeing that people here are writing to help out and not hurt you. these fests are so awesome in how so many people chime in with stuff. in my opinion, silence here is deafening.


Hoz,
My brother is a sound engineer in Dallas and he kinda knows what he's talking about. He was able to explain to me what he didn't understand so I was able to get it. We really shot sparingly on this. I am not about keeping people around any longer than I absolutely have to. I'm still uneasy with the idea of people being so willing to give of their time. It helps though to realize it wasn't about me, it was about the project. So there really isn't a lot of unused footage. It was 23-25 degrees the night we shot the fairy. What footage you have scene is all there is. Snow machine isn't hard to use, you just have to have to favor of whoever is controlling the weather.


Will, this was an interesting film. The soft look reminded me of "Legend". I love the production design and outfits. The acting was decent although I think I preferred the father to the main character. He seemed more believable.

The fairy was cool looking.

Nice job.

Mentat,
Thanks. I take the comparison as a compliment. We went around and around on the father and son. Neither wanted more lines than the other. We knew you would kind of get to know Nick through the rest of the film, but Dad was gone at the end of the scene.



This was a really ballsy move... lots of guts to try to pull off many scenes. Like some other entries I felt honored to watch your effort because of how much work you clearly put into this... DVXuser is like a club of cool people that we're lucky to be involved with... and there was a lot to like about your entry. I like the significance of the flowers... I guess that means that he joined her in death? Either way it works... a lot of this has a very very cool look to it.

OK... so now if you'll take this with a grain of salt... I wasn't sure what to make of some of the camera moves... just Saturday I shot a segment where the director wanted me to combine some "live feel" with the tripod... so I introduced motion into a shot on sticks, and as I was doing it I couldn't decide if I thought it was working or not... and I felt like you had some of that in here. There were a couple camera moves that I found to be more distracting than supportive of the story. I also noticed a couple minor bumps. Aside from that, that's about all I can say... this is a pretty solid entry.


Grain of salt not required. I hope you are referring to the bumps when I was having a moment of difficulty keeping Nick in frame and then when I clumsily turned the camera to find Nick coming up the hill. There was also a slight jerkiness to the shot closing in on Dad's hands holding the diary. Are these the bumps? I tried to move the camera as little as I could because this was the first thing I was going to shoot on my Advanta-Jib lite. I didn't want it to look like Jibfest. We did try for a big film. I think we obviously fell a little short. There has been talk of another edit, a little longer, etc. But I have said and maintain, there will only be a really long version of Winter and it will be very much the film I have in my mind.

Death, crossed over to fairy land, you are free to go with what makes you the happiest.




We have realized over the last 24 hours where we fell short. When the film was reviewed by our test audiences, they were the people with whom the story had already been discussed. So for them, it was seeing the thoughts in their heads come to life. We don't know what will become of Winter. For now though, there a many films we are eager to try out.

kurtmo
02-19-2008, 04:45 AM
Cool setting and mood. I thought the music fit well. I really liked the lighting and the color correction. I thought the shot selection was well done too.
I wasn’t as enthused by the story. I also thought the audio was just OK.

Marlon Ladd
02-19-2008, 08:11 AM
I really liked the look of this, but at times it seemed a little too soft. It was still visually different and stunning. I agree that the father's acting was pretty good. Overall a good story, nice lighting and camera work.

Arrik
02-19-2008, 08:23 AM
Stopping by this thread so late in the fest, most everything has been thoroughly discussed. Still, I just wanted to stop in and say that your film looked amazing, especially the snow scene. Very impressive production. Congratulations.

hordeprime
02-21-2008, 07:23 AM
Yes, yes... the snow scenes WERE awesome. :)

I don't think I've gotten over how well the effect worked for those shots. Definitely pushed the dreamy aspect that Will was after.

Now... on to the next project.

Luis Caffesse
02-22-2008, 07:36 AM
Alright Will - hope you didn't think I wasn't going to make it around to this.
:)

I've only glanced in this thread because I"m trying to give you my honest feedback...but I know some of what I'm going to mention has already been said.

I'm not going to bother with any techy stuff - because I think you know what those issues might be anyhow, and tech stuff is easy to fix (at least it is for you because I know you've got the experience).

So I'd rather concentrate on the story elements here - which is what I think you're probably more interested in hearing about.

First off - keep in mind I knew the story before watching the film.
You had sent me a quick pitch of it back before shooting.
So I went into this knowing what the story was... and for that reason I enjoyed it.
But I can see where people might get a bit confused not knowing the entire story upfront. Granted - you had a lot of story to try to pack into 6 minutes... but I think if you'd been able to shoot everything you wanted, and cut a longer version of this, it could be a very solid nicely told fairy tale.

That said, as it is right now it feels a bit incomplete.
But more importantly, to me, if felt a bit like you may have concentrated on the wrong bits of information (in my opinion). For example, the thing that struck me the most was that the scene with his father took nearly half of the running time... the reason that surprised me was that when you pitched me the story the argument with his father was mentioned in literally one sentence out of a half page of text. I realize you had a lot of exposition to get across - but it felt like it bogged it down a bit, and didn't leave enough time for the more 'exciting' story aspects (ie the journey itself).

So, while I personally felt it spent too much time on that one aspect - other bits of information that I felt were crutial to the story didn't make it in (like the fact that the son was going on a trip to find a mythical rare flower). I can see how someone watching the film without any prior knowledge of the story would just wonder where he's going... and not understand the significance when he finds the flower. Right now it's still a nice image to see a single flower growing out of the cold snowy ground... but it doesn't ring with the significance it woudl have if as an audience we knew that THAT was what he was looking for, and that it was incredibly rare, etc.

I hope I'm making sense here.
Basically what I'm suggesting is to look at the original pitch you wrote up, and compare that to the final film - take a look at how long certain things play in relation to how much weight they were givin in the synopsis.

David Mamet has a great bit in one of his books where he talks about how the essential good storytelling is a well told joke. Give us what is essential for the story with just enough detail to make it believable and real, but not enough to drag it down - "A guy walks into a bar" as opposed to "A guy, mid thirties with short brown hair walked into a bar that was established in the mid 19th century. The building was one of brick and ..."

You get the point
:)


As far as production value.
No question - you did some impressive work here - with that shot of the snow being the best of it. Of course, being in Austin myself, I may appreciate that one more than most...it really was impressive.

I hope you find my comments helpful in some way.
They're only meant to be constructive - you've got a really nice story at the core of this.
And I'm looking forward to see where you go from here.

Wild Imagination Films
02-22-2008, 04:07 PM
Yes Luis I had been wondering if you were going to comment. I'm very glad you did.
It was really strange, everyone I know here in Austin who saw the roughest of cuts really enjoyed the short and followed it without any trouble. Then, once it was posted, no one seemed to be able to follow it. I posted a bit back about talking with my brother who was pretty lost as well. Then it dawned on me. Everyone who really enjoyed it knew the story before they saw it.
In retrospect, I really should have just gone ahead and shot a longer version and entered it as a non-compete.
You know we shot the snow scene the same night you were shooting your stuff.
Currently there has been some discussion of writing a full length version of Winter and then shooting it next year. There are so many elements we had to cut short or cut all together, it was very painful. In the end, we were really hoping the conversation between the father and the son would help everyone understand what was going on and was going to happen. Guess we didn't hope hard enough.
Most of the unmentioned technical issues were addressed and corrected for the version on my website.
This was a huge undertaking involving lots of people and lots of hard work. I learned an immeasurable amount of information about how (and how not) to make a short film. Trust me when I tell you it will carry over onto my next project.

Wild Imagination Films
02-24-2008, 11:38 AM
Lengthy discussions over the last few days have it looking like a much more involved and lengthier version of Winter may be in the offing.

Zak Forsman
02-24-2008, 01:26 PM
Lengthy discussions over the last few days have it looking like a much more involved and lengthier version of Winter may be in the offing.

"in the offing"? like, you're not going to do it?

Wild Imagination Films
02-24-2008, 02:52 PM
My bad, I really need to work on clarity. I've been speaking with a couple of people who really really want to see Winter as a longer and more developed piece. I'm all for it. So now we go to work on trying to fund a project of no small magnitude. The full length screenplay is being worked on right now and hopefully will be ready for interested investor types to look at in the near future.

Zak Forsman
02-24-2008, 02:53 PM
awesome! :thumbsup: good luck to you!!

Brian Parker
02-24-2008, 11:02 PM
Great film. Beautifuly shot with rich colors. The acting was well done. Very impressive art direction. Touching story. I really enjoyed it. Great job.

tmnt
02-25-2008, 07:53 PM
Nice art direction and really good job going with practical effects. Was a bit Days of Our Livish for me, but then again, I'm going to see Rambo soon so maybe in the wrong frame of mind. Everything cut together well and as mentioned above the colors really stood out. Job well done.

Cryogenic Filmworks
03-01-2008, 10:43 PM
Really liked the look of your submission. Good luck on your feature length.