EX and PPro CS 3

[MichaelS]

Hi,

any current experiences of importing and editing EX footage in PPro 2/CS3?

would be interested in practicable ways and experiences.

I have here just seen old postings (which did not realls give a clear answer) but nothing up to date.

thanx for your replies.

Michael

[marques]

anybody know if the ex will work with on location direct into laptop

[Barry_Green]

You mean streaming live footage into a laptop? No, it won't -- at least not in the HQ mode. It might do it in HDV mode, but not in XDCAM-EX mode.

[Stevet]

I've heard it was able to capture only the HDV stream (as expected).

[marques]

any work around. that is n't hellish expensive

[Barry_Green]

The EX1 is incapable of streaming HD footage through a firewire port other than as HDV. The only other way is to try to capture the HD-SDI, and I think you'll find the expense intolerable for that. You'd be talking about thousands of dollars.

[GaryOldman]

So I couldn't just plug a card into my computer, drop some files onto a timeline in Premiere, and edit away? Isn't the whole point of using XDCAM that it's better than HDV? Sorry for the noob questions. So if I wanted a camera to be used with Premiere Pro CS3 and lots of After Effects work, is this beautiful Sony not for me? Cause I'd love for it to be.

[Stevet]

You'd be talking about thousands of dollars.

True, but "if" you're not concerned about the rig being portable:

BlackMagic HDLINK (SDI>HDMI) $400
BlackMagic Intensity (HDMI capture card) $250
Total: $650

Not a bad price, but far from portable.
In house studio would work great with the EX1.
You could go straight to Cineform intermediate and capture
great looking 4:2:2

[Barry_Green]

I guess the other potential workaround is the Convergent Designs box; that'd be portable, at about $5,000.

[Stevet]

That would be nice, but I'm not thrilled about the price.
I'm hoping Cineform's portable HDMI drive becomes a reality at sub $2K.

I'm hoping that Cineform will offer a 5V power tap for the HDLINK, but I'm concerned about the amount of current that HDLINK might demand. I can't find any specs on current draw, but man does that little box get very warm. This tells me that it's drawing quite a bit (I Squared R losses).

Barry, would you have an idea?

Also, I know the HDLINK does not support 1080 24P via HDMI, but I believe it will take the EX1 1080 23.97P and stream 1080 60i with 3:2 pulldown.

Is this true?
I have not used the HDLINK to capture, but have used it to monitor.
I know it works great with 720 59.94P

[MichaelS]

So I couldn't just plug a card into my computer, drop some files onto a timeline in Premiere, and edit away? Isn't the whole point of using XDCAM that it's better than HDV? Sorry for the noob questions. So if I wanted a camera to be used with Premiere Pro CS3 and lots of After Effects work, is this beautiful Sony not for me? Cause I'd love for it to be.

In my opinion you may plug the SxS card in the computer - if you have a SxS card reader there (think this is equivalent to Express Cards which are yet not very often standard in new laptops.

Otherwise you may copy the files via USB.

But what my original question was - I do not know whether PPro is capable of importing (and editing) EX1 HD footage by standard means (without additional (expensive) external codecs)?

Any experiences on this?

regards,
Michael

[marques]

No info about editing solutions for premiere or ae

[Huy Vu]

I believed I've read sometime ago when the EX was first announced that Adobe has no immediate plan with regard to making the new codec compatible with their software. If the EX proves popular this might change but at the moment CS3 is incompatible with EX 35mbs footage. Premiere has no open timeline feature so it's unlikely that EX footage can simply be dragged onto an HDV timeline and edited.

[mafishus]

I've been using a Premiere Pro plug-in from Mainconcept (dotCom) called MPEG Pro HD3. It's worked great for me so far. Cost is around $450.00. You import your EX-1 clips just like any other format that Premiere edits natively. I think it also supports AVCHD, but I haven't used that feature.

Cheers!

[marques]

does anyone know of anyother plugins that work in premiere

[daktulus]

Mafishus:

Have you edited both 25 and 35Mbit or only 25 with the mainconcept plugin?

[mafishus]

Actually, I've only edited 35Mb/s clips. I haven't recorded anything at 25Mb/s yet.

[Huy Vu]

25MB/s is essentially HDV, should be completely compatible.

[shenwppd]

Hi,

any current experiences of importing and editing EX footage in PPro 2/CS3?

would be interested in practicable ways and experiences.

I have here just seen old postings (which did not realls give a clear answer) but nothing up to date.

thanx for your replies.

Michael

www.mainconcept.com (http://www.mainconcept.com) makes a plug-in that allows one to edit xdcam footage in Premiere Pro. Has anyone got any personal experience with this plug in that can report how well it works? They also make a plug in which they claim helps Premiere work better with DVCPRO HD footage. I wonder if that is really true?

Thanks, Steve

[shenwppd]

Hi,

any current experiences of importing and editing EX footage in PPro 2/CS3?

would be interested in practicable ways and experiences.

I have here just seen old postings (which did not realls give a clear answer) but nothing up to date.

thanx for your replies.

Michael

True, but "if" you're not concerned about the rig being portable:

BlackMagic HDLINK (SDI>HDMI) $400
BlackMagic Intensity (HDMI capture card) $250
Total: $650

Not a bad price, but far from portable.
In house studio would work great with the EX1.
You could go straight to Cineform intermediate and capture
great looking 4:2:2

Could you provide a litle more info on this? Are you saying this hardware enable one to capture the SDI stream and then convert it to a codec called Cineform that can be edited in Premeire? Would it allow one to to stream directly to hard disk and avoid the use of the Sony storage cards? How non-portable would it be? Can Premiere edit Cineform?

Thanks, Steve

[basspig]

Possible good news for CS3 users:

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/desktoppost/depth/nab_update/


They essentially say that they will release a free update to CS3 that will bring EX1 import to CS3. I can only hope that it works well and works with ALL CS3 video apps, not just Premiere.
It's to be released on day one of the NAB show.

[Lor]

So I guess the "king of hill" Avid has no working plugins/updates that will work with EX1 35mbps footage then, correct?

[mgilbert]

Can't find anything more about that CS3 update....and now the link doesn't work.

[basspig]

The update is here:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=3887&fileID=3636

[mgilbert]

Thanks...