Dice-K Has More October RBI Than Jeter or A-Rod

[RE1000]

Dice-K Has More October RBI Than Jeter or A-Rod

"In his second career postseason at-bat, in the 3rd inning of Game 3 of the World Series, Boston Red Sox pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka hit a 2-out 2-RBI single.


In 17 2007 postseason at-bats, New York Yankees shortstop Derek "Captain Clutch" Jeter had 1 RBI. Just one.


In 14 2007 postseason at-bats, New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, The 2007 MLB Clutch Performer of the Year Presented by Pepsi, had 1 RBI. Just one.


Regardless of their lack of clutchness, Jeter and Rodriguez remain eligible for one free taco each next week (a $0.77 retail value)."

http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/Dice_K_Has_More_October_RBI_Than_Jeter_or_A_Rod/33190

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[snowleopard]

The Yankees are now the team that's cursed. Ever since that 2001 World Series they had just about sewn up, and Luis Gonzolas hit that walk-off bloop single off Rivera for the D-Backs victory. After that:

2003 World Series stumble against the wild card Florida Marlins - Game 4's walk-off HR by another Gonzalez (Alex) and then the inability to hit more than three singles in the Game 6 melt-down against a young Josh Beckett, all in Yankee stadium.

2004. Up 3-0 against the "cursed" RedSox, after winning game 3 by a score of 19-8, the Yankees then had the biggest collapse in baseball history, losing the next three games, the final one having the rival RedSox celebrate right in the house that Ruth built.

2005, 2006, 2007 - The "legend of A-Rod" and his hitting into double plays and striking out when they needed him most, in the aforementioned stats. $25.8 million a year, and this is what they got.

2007 - After signing Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite from the golden years, they take a trip to Cleveland in the playoffs and get invaded by the bugs, which seemed to only pester the Yankees, once again sealing their doom. Adding insult to injury, the rival RedSox went on to win the World Series once again.

I have this strong hunch the Yankees aren't going to win another World Series for 80 years. They're cursed.

[RE1000]

The Rebels have finally won!?!

[ddp]

Living in Seattle I/we got a taste of what a lying loser Arod was. Now I laugh at Texas, the Yankees and the next foolish team that opens their pocket books for the most selfish over-rated player in baseball.
As a long time Yankee hater, I'm glad they got a taste of Arod, as a recently converted Red Socks hater, I hope they're next on the list of soon to be former teams Arod used.......

He's no Reggie Jackson that's for sure.:beer:

[J.R. Hudson]

Please Boston

DO NOT SIGN A-ROD.

Jeter is a nancy. Yankees suck.

Anyone remember when Varitek punkd A-Rod ?

Awesome.

[RE1000]

We all hope the Sox don't sign A-Rod. Jeter is the real deal, he produces in the playoffs. A-Rod is abysmal in the playoffs, and he demands way too much money. Plus no one likes him either. And ya, I remember Vtec punking A-Rod, we all remember that.

[bosindy]

Please Boston

DO NOT SIGN A-ROD.

Jeter is a nancy. Yankees suck.

Anyone remember when Varitek punkd A-Rod ?

Awesome.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/6439/1193769784.jpg

You'll find that hanging over a bar or two in Boston

[snowleopard]

eter is the real deal, he produces in the playoffs...

Uh, did you read the original post? He had but 1 RBI in the entire 2007 playoffs! Just as futile as A-Rod!

Having said that, A-Rod really is an overrated choker. Not just one playoff like Jeter, ARod has now had several years in a row where he's put up huge numbers, only to hit worse than an American League pitcher in the playoffs. He's also the greedy snob that ddb talked about. Personally, I wish he'd stay in NY. I don't see the RedSox signing him. Lowell plays almost as well, much better in the clutch, and is a third the price.

[J.R. Hudson]

Jeter is the real deal. True, true. One of the great plays I ever witnessed in baseball was his run and throw to the plate from SS to the first base line.

-

Doesn't mean I have to like him.

[J.R. Hudson]

Can't find a better video : /

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3700467872686891674&q=Jason+Varitek&total=47&start=0&num=50&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Effin Slappy.

[ugafan]

the red sox winning the world series scares me. mainly because i'm worried about being subjected to another jimmy fallon movie.

[Drew Ott]

the red sox winning the world series scares me. mainly because i'm worried about being subjected to another jimmy fallon movie.

*shiver* :zombie_smiley:

[J.R. Hudson]

heh heh

I actually liked it in a sick Red Sox fan, light romatnic comedy way

: P

[snowleopard]

You know, I'm not Jeter fan, and I hate the Yankees. But it really shows something when there is this chorus of people, including me, who just despise A-Rod, but don't mind Jeter that much. Anyone remember the play during the 2004 ALCS when he swatted the ball out of Meitkewitz glove at first base, then tried to act like it was an accident in the act of running? How about the time he rounded third on an infield fly this year, and tried to distract the guy from catching it by yelling at him. Really dirty, cheap play from a guy making close to $28 mil a year. And on top of that opted out of his contract to make more money. In Seattle they call him Mr. Greed, and for good reason.

[J.R. Hudson]

I agree

And the dude is Mrs. October (.258 BA in the post season)

[snowleopard]

Manny said in today's parade they don't want A-Rod, they like Mike Lowell and want to keep him.

I just don't see ARod ending up in Boston no matter what. Out of the teams that can afford him, it's most likely he'll go to the Mets. Or if Mark Cuban buys the Cubs, he'll almost go there for sure as Cuban likes to spend money.

Back to the original post. What a steal the Sox did this year. They paid all that money for Dice-K, and in the end he paid dividends with his arm and his bat. And off the field take a look at the enormous amount of merchandising and publicity they got from having him on the team. Adding Okajima iced that. Plus take a look at the way their rookies performed, mostly Pedroia and Ellsbury.

Does anyone know if players who didn't play, but are on the roster still get rings and full profit sharing? I think so. This would include Clay Buckholz (kid who threw the no-hitter) and Matt Clement, who was out all year with injury.

[J.R. Hudson]

Great points

In Japan, the licensing must be off the charts.

[Blaine]

Congratulations Beantown!!! Looks like we're going to pick up Torre and Donnie Baseball!!!

[RE1000]

Jeter may have been bad this postseason, but all the other ones he's been great. I'm the furthest thing away from a Yankee fan, but I respect Yankees like Jeter, Posada, and Riviera.

A-Rod never was a real Yankee. I'm sure a lot of Yankee fans are glad he's gone, even though he was a great reg season player.
Sox management better not sign him, or there is going to be HELL TO PAY!

[JConnors]

How about the time he rounded third on an infield fly this year, and tried to distract the guy from catching it by yelling at him.


That was against the Jays, I watched that, he did it in the top of the ninth when the game was completely out of hand too.

[bosindy]

The hatred for A-rod is tough to quantify up here. he really is reviled. Part of the joy of being a Sox fan has been booing A-rod and then watching him inevitable choke. There was a period of several games here when a ground ball went straight through his legs.

There is no chance we are signing him. The plan for the Sox before Lowell had the best contract year in the history of the sport, was to move Youkilis over to third and pick up a top free agent at first.

Now, and no one is complaining, Lowell will be offered probably something in the 3 year 33 million range. Sadly, since the Yankees are now looking for a third baseman, there is a chance they will overpay for him. I would say he only needs to look to Johnny Damon to know what he should do. Johnny Damon is dead to the town of Boston, his legacy ruined, he plays for a disaster of a front office and a team filled with cold hired guns.

If the offer is fair, not the best, Lowell should take it. He has entered the Boston pantheon and he should stay there.

[Bryan]

Agreed 100% bosindy!

[snowleopard]

Good post bosindy. Lowell said right after the WS win that he was happy in Boston and would like to stay. I have a hunch he will.

[Jeremy Ordan]

As a die hard Yankee fan who grew up in the Bronx before moving to NC and who watched 155 regular season games (between being in the stands, watching on DirecTv, listening on XM, & or catching up on DVR) I have tried really hard to avoid this thread (My girlfriend and I did the math... if we just say that each game, not including the pregame on YES or postgame on YES is 3 hours, which is a really short Yankee game that is 19 complete days, not including pre or post game... completely pathetic to be this obsessed).

I keep debating whether to say something about ARod opting out, the $52 millilon posting for Dice-K, the production of brilliant free agent signings (such as Clement and Pavano) by both clubs, or the fact that my childhood hero (Mattingly) will be wearing another uniform for the first time in his adult life.

Rather than to go off on a rant which my girlfriend, friends, family, coworkers, and random strangers have been forced to experience for the last, well, 30 years... I will simply say that good pitching will stop good hitting and this year the Red Sox had the best pitcher in baseball, the best bullpen in baseball, and quality players surrounding them. The 3-4 combination of Ortiz and Ramierez is as deadly as Canseco/McQuire, Bonds/Bonilla, Mantle/Marris, Gehrig/Ruth and will go down in history as such.

I hate the Red Sox and 2004 still rings as one of the most painful experiences in my life.

That being said, congrats on the world series win...

[RE1000]

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We all agree (even Sox management, finally!) that pitching is pretty much your #1 priority in buiding a team, that is what won us both World Series.

[snowleopard]

I hate the Red Sox and 2004 still rings as one of the most painful experiences in my life.

Well, you've now tasted a fraction of the pain RedSox fans and players felt like for decades. Imagine your Yankees not winning another WS until the year 2086, and having several seasons like 2004 along the way.

I'd be more sympathetic to your honest post, but I am well aware of all the Yankees fans that ridiculed and humiliated RedSox fans for years on end about their curse and how cruel, mean, and nasty so many of them were about it.

[Jeremy Ordan]

I think that there are several schools of Yankee fans, something I am forced to elaborate on every single time a baseball conversation comes up. There are the die hard fans who know the team, the history, and live and die on every single game.

Then there are the morons.

There are at least 10,000 morons to every fan.

Here's the difference. The morons boo'd ARod whereas the true fans exhaled when he struck out. We wanted to chear but when he would strike out we were 'awww' or more graphically groaning.

I won't continue with that line of thoughts because I could go on for weeks about ARod and my town opinion of him.

The important thing, 2004 sucks because we thought we had it in the bag. I remember telling people that no team has ever come back and it wasn't even a thought until Damon's grand slam that we could lose. It wasn't a possibility. The embarrasment comes from who it happened against. That was salt in the wound and still hurts (especially given that two of my best friends are die hard Red Sox fans).

Just like when 2005 started and the Yankees stood to watch the Red Sox get their championship rings I can stand and say that you were the best team in baseball and deserved to win (I completely disagree with your assessment of Dice-K being a premier pitcher, but that is for another thread). I can even go so far to say that when the Lowell & Beckett trade happened I laughed my ass off thinking Beckett was used up and Lowell was way past his prime... I was wrong on that one (not by 2006 when Beckett gave up a ton of long balls) in 2007.

So... yeah...

Damnit, it still freaking sucks (not to mention that press conference Girardi did was a complete joke and I disagree with the signing of him)

[snowleopard]

I don't think I said Dice-K was a premier pitcher. Just that he was worth what they paid him as he performed in the clutch, and the merchandising money must be enormous. He's not on the level of Beckett, or Santana if that's what you mean. No.

You know what's funny, I'm not a huge RedSox fan. I like the Sox, but I wanted the Rockies. The teams I like tend to be on the West coast (Mariners, A's, D-backs. Kind of like the Padres, and Angels. Hate Bonds, but SF is okay, Dodgers are iffy). It's just that I got really sick of all the smug, arrogant attitude of so many Yankess fans, it's just a pure joy to watch them suffer.

[Blaine]

And now Torre is the new manager of the Dodgers. Is Donnie Baseball next?:evil:

[Jeremy Ordan]

And now Torre is the new manager of the Dodgers. Is Donnie Baseball next?:evil:

That was just painful... but it shows, these Steinbrenner kids have no idea how to run an organization.

Why do I say this?

Every person I have ever met who had parents who were loaded were complete morons... then again, I could just be making an assumption.

[J.R. Hudson]

Jeremy is definatley not the Moron variety of a Yankee fan, but Yankee fans as a whole are the most obnoxious I have ever met.

It feels good to see the Yankees falling on their faces the last few years.

2004 have made the Red Sox and thier fans different. They believe.

Passion -vs- Payroll

[Jeremy Ordan]

Jeremy is definatley not the Moron variety of a Yankee fan, but Yankee fans as a whole are the most obnoxious I have ever met.

Thank you for that, and I completely agree. I travel from NC to NY at least 4-5 times a year for games, plus the trips to Tampa or Baltimore to see my team (Yankees baseball was the religion in my house growing up). That being said, for average seats at Yankee Stadium I paid over $200 multiple times this season because going to a Yankee game has become a fashion statement. While I still consider Yankee fans, or true Yankee fans, to be some of the most inteligent baseball fans in all of baseball (I include Red Sox fans with this bunch), there are a ton of Yankee fans who know nothing about the game.

That being said, I have met a ton of Red Sox fans who know nothing about their team, let alone the sport of baseball. Red Sox nation is huge, and therefore, with that popularity you get a ton of people who pick the Sox as their team even though they know nothing about baseball.

Personally I believe that if you cannot name ever person on the 25 man roster, all the coaches, plus your top 10 prospects in the organization then you have no right calling yourself a fan.

That being said, I AM SICK!

I literally live Yankee baseball and it's not healthy... I spent more than 19 complete days watching games this season, my dogs are named after Yankees [I have a Torre who is a Carolina Dingo and my poodle Yogi passed away last Thanksgiving].

It is not a healthy obsession (but my girlfriend is supportive and enjoys watching Jeter, although I'm convinced he is gay)



Passion -vs- Payroll

The Red Sox had the second highest payroll in all of baseball and that doesn't include the signing bonus for Dice-K not to mention the performance bonus clauses that are involved in contracts.

That being said, and for as much validity as there is within the Yankee hired gun philosophy, this small market team concept is just not accurate. The Red Sox had the highest road attendence (and if the home ball park was bigger than a minor league stadium then they would have had the highest home attendence), and it isn't like the Red Sox had more home grown talent on the field than the Yankees did, in fact they had less (if you count the bullpen, position players/starter wise the Yankees had 4: Jeter, Posada, Cabrera, Cano and the Red Sox had, if I'm not mistaken, Elsbury, Youkalis, Pedroia).

In 1996 & 1997 the Yankees did not have the largest payroll in baseball, something Joe Buck, who I hate, seems to forget whenever he slams the Yankees. The Orioles had the largest payroll.

That being said, I literally could, and have had, this conversation all day. In some places you have several seasons, for me there is baseball season and hot stove season. Thus far, hot stove season has made me sick.



One more bone for Red Sox fans... Pedroia... that kid can field. Hell of a glove and unlike my homegrown second baseman, he isn't cocky with his 'o-lay' plays. Cano is great, but that Pedroia kid is a fiesty little sonofa....

[bosindy]

The real question is who is going to trade for Santana this year and lock him into a long term deal. What would you give up for him? I heard someone mention for Boston to give up Lester Buckholtz and Crisp. Tough call.

A note on Pedroia when he was in college at Arizona (or state) He gave up his scholarship because the team was vying for a championship and they needed to recruit pitching. when Arizona made it to the championship, they wore DP on their uniforms. Gammons contrasted that with the A-rod announcement story.

As for Boston and New York fans, there are morons on both sides and I have seen it up close.

[Hot magma]

I love how the Yankees are still in the Red Sox fans heads.

[snowleopard]

I love how the Yankees are still in the Red Sox fans heads.
Yeah, but at least it's vice-versa now.

Every person I have ever met who had parents who were loaded were complete morons...
How did Paris Hilton enter this discussion?!:Drogar-BlackEye(DBG

As to some other players. I think there's a good chance Bonds will end up in pinstripes next year. The Giants can barely afford him, he's got maybe 1 year left, and the Yankees just dumped ARod's pay, which allows them plenty of cash. Plus Barry could just be DH, and only play 140 games or so. And he's still a serious threat with the bat. People boo him wherever he goes, so Yankee Stadium wouldn't be an issue, especially as he wouldn't be in the field.

I don't see the Sox trading away those guys to get Santana (who has another year on his Minnesota contract). But one never knows. With Loriano expected back with a full recovery, dumping Santana may or may not make sense, depending on who you talk to. The Sox giving up on Buckholz sounds like a mistake. They'll lose Schilling almost for certain, but if Clement is somehow healthy, and can somehow pitch, they won't need another starter. But those are big if's. Santana is also a lefty, and the Sox already have Lester.

Speaking of Schilling, if Randy Johnson can somehow pitch next year, I think Curt will sign with the Diamondbacks. It would be a great way for them both to close out their careers. He could go to Philadelphia, or Colorado as well.

Lost in all this discussion is that both Posada and Rivera opted out for free agency. Both are getting older, but both are still great and I think it would hurt the Yankees more than losing Arod to lose these guys.

Let's all hope that the A's don't lose more players this coming year, and can get a hitter or two. More than any other team the A's have lost great players over the last several years this way, simply because they couldn't afford them. Giambi, Tejada, Zito, Damon, Dye, Hudson, Mulder, Lidle, Lilly...

I agree and have said before that the Sox giant payroll doesn't help baseball either, making them "Evil Empire Lite" in some ways. I'm not for a salary cap, but I think MLB needs a higher luxury tax, and better revenue sharing. Even George Steinbrenner said he's not against revenue sharing, as long as he's certain the extra money he pays goes into promoting baseball and that other clubs can't just hoard the money.

[J.R. Hudson]

The Red Sox did have the 2nd highest payroll; with a close $47,000,000 behind the Yanks. :lipsrseal :cheesy:

[bosindy]

I don't see the Sox trading away those guys to get Santana (who has another year on his Minnesota contract). But one never knows. With Loriano expected back with a full recovery, dumping Santana may or may not make sense, depending on who you talk to. The Sox giving up on Buckholz sounds like a mistake. They'll lose Schilling almost for certain, but if Clement is somehow healthy, and can somehow pitch, they won't need another starter. But those are big if's. Santana is also a lefty, and the Sox already have Lester.


The twin need to move santana while they can still get value for him and they are not close to winning a championship with just him. they can't sign him next year during free agency so they are going to trade him and try to get fair value. Only about 6 or 7 teams can afford him and the Sox and Yankees are going to be aggressive. Santana will then sign a new contract with that team and forgoe free agency next year.

Clement is a free agent and won't probably be back in a red sox uniform. Now if you could have Beckett, Santana, Dice K, Shilling and Wakefield as your starting 5, it may be worth giving up Lester and Buckholtz. Crisp is gone regardless.

[Jeremy Ordan]

A couple of years ago everyone talked about giving up prospects in order to get Dontrell Willis, who has seen his value just drop as time goes on. Santana is interesting because he is one of the best, if not, THE BEST, pitchers in the game (let's see what Beckett does next year)... I would be afraid to give up too much young pitching for him though. It comes back to economics. Young pitching, like Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain (all Yankees) or Buckholtz and Lester are CHEAP. These players make around $400,000 a year. The tax on Santanas contract is going to be more than that.

Once Barry Zito signed that massive contract a new benchmark was set for pitchers, and Santana is going to get the most money he can.

Regarding the Barry Bonds issue... No way will he be a Yankee. The Yankees already have Giambi and Damon who are going to be fighting for time at the DH spot, plus they need to either trade or work Duncan into the lineup.

A team like KC is where Barry needs to go.




Clement is a free agent and won't probaly not be back in a red sox uniform. Now if you could have Beckett, Santana, Dice K, Shilling and Wakefield as your starting 5, it may be worth giving up Lester and Buckholtz. Crisp is gone regardless.

While I agree that Crisp is going because Elsbury is certainly looking like a solid leadoff or #2 candidate who can play the field great, I completely disagree with how your rotation is looking next year.

I think Wakefield (who by the way is one of my favorite pitchers, even though he is a Sox pitcher, because he's a master of a dead art, the knuckleball) might be done. That back caused a lot of problems and the fact that you really need Mirabelli to catch him, not to mention he's just beat up... that causes some issues.

Dice-K, Beckett... no problem there

Now Schilling? Recent history shows us that the Red Sox don't do good will contracts, so they might let him walk... I think he has a year left and while teams like TB smack him around, no one gets it up for big games like him.

Lester is trade bait... I just don't see you keeping him, although I picked him for comeback player of the year before the season started.

I need to stop paying attention to Red Sox stuff and to more Yankee stuff

[bosindy]

I think Wake will be back. The 4 million mutual option to infinity makes him cheap. He had 17 wins and could of had 20 with run support. The back issue concerned me, but he is already talking about playing golf and I don't think it is as serious as reported. I think if the back feels okay he will be. The maribelli issue is duly noted and we'll see if they resign him.

I thought originally it was 50-50 that they were signing Shilling, now I think it is less likely. Supposedly he is pissing off the front office with the circus he is creating with the blog and comments. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer him less than Beckett is due to make (9.5 not the 13 he is asking) and give the excuse for Shilling to walk. He doesn't have a full season in him, but he is good for maybe 12 wins. Philly maybe?

Lester will be tough to trade because of the cancer/comeback story. Boston is in Love. something as big as Santana has to happen to justify it.

I don't know how I feel about the Santana trade I brought up. I like Lester and Buckholtz. Santana is in a class by himself other than Beckett. But I agree about liking young good cheap arms.

I don't think The Yankees are in the trouble people think. They have good young arms but they do need to sign Posada and Rivera. I also agree Bonds in no way a Yankee, although it would give me great personal pleasure if he was.

[J.R. Hudson]

This just in

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071102&content_id=2291257&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

AROD wanted 350 Million

[bosindy]

Good luck to whomever pays it.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/6439/1194045163.jpg

[Blaine]

That read kind of funny. It said he wanted an extension that would bring his contract up to $350 million. I'm sure I'm wrong but the way I read it, that would be a $100 million extention...for 10 years? That would have worked out to $10 million a year for 10 years (actually a bargain), so they must have reported it wrong and ARod must have wanted $350 million MORE.

[snowleopard]

$350 million?! The numbers he is looking for come to well over $30 million per year! That's more than the entire Tampa Bay Devil Rays or Florida Marlin's payroll! One guy, paid more than an entire team!!!

It would be half of what the Cleveland Indians payroll is! And the Indians upended the team Arod played for this year!

Now for an even more staggering fact. According to Forbes magazine, only 11 teams in all of baseball are worth more than $350 million! This means that Alex Rodriguez thinks he's worth more than 18 entire MLB teams!!!

[J.R. Hudson]

I love how the Yankees are still in the Red Sox fans heads.

Yes

We're wondering how their October vacations went.

[RE1000]

Yes

We're wondering how their October vacations went.

lolz

"Jeter is golfing right now, this is better!"
I love those signs from the 2004 and 2007 rolling rallies.