Canon HG10 AVCHD vs Canon HV20 & quesitons?

[awilkoff]

Hey guys,

a few quick questions. I'm considering getting either a Canon HV20 or maybe the new HG10. From what I've been reading there are some drawbacks to the AVCHD codec. Namely noise and motion blur/ghosting problems.

Also most all of the reviews totally trounce on the HG10's 24p mode as being "useless" and studdering. I'm wondering if this is just a reverse cine thing that they're not doing. Droppig out the extra frames to make it all work in a 24p timeline? or maybe just the few pieces of software that you can actually edit with. Anyone use iMovie or FCP with AVCHD stuff? (i'm on a mac)

Has anyone actually seen or have any footage they'd like to share? (HG10 or DV20)

This is just for a recreational camera for me and I totally hate log and capture when it comes to family videos and such. It never gets to that point...just lots of tapes sitting in a box never edited.

anyone have any comments?

[Jack_Felis]

I'm also concerned about the camera's performance. I too have been hearing about its 24P mode being messed up. My HV20 24P stuff works flawlessly after removing the pulldown and I wondered if people would have resorted to the HG10 because of AVCHD and whatnot but I haven't seen a comparison as of yet.

I can safely recommend the HV20 though, works great in both 60i and 24P, after you remove the pulldown in 24P mode of course.

[cabbage]

I bought two Canon HG10's and have been very unhappy. Not with the quality but that they stop recording. I think my record so far is it crapping out FORTY-FOUR times during a 70 minute concert. Hard drive + loud music & vibration /= a happy consumer.

Here's some of the crap you'll have to deal with. Mac = Intel Only. It would have been really nice to know that before buying them. I'm still pissed about that. AVCHD only works on Intel Macs. The camcorder has got USB and a mini-HDMI cable. No FireWire. You can't edit or even play the raw AVCHD footage. VLC gets a couple frames and then crashes. It does full 1080x1920 which is the reason I bought it. However you have to use the Apple ProRes codec. What does that mean? This makes the files approximately EIGHT time bigger than the raw AVCHD footage that the camcorder records. Doing multicam stuff, forget. You're gonna need like a 500gb hard drive per show just to edit this stuff.

I'm too pissed to go on. If you want some footage to look at I can put some up online.

[ifownlee41nite@mac.com]

I hear you. I updated FCP 6 to 6.0.2 and still nothing. This is really annoying. I am hoping its something I'm doing but now I don't think so. If anyone have Logged and Transferred from the Canon HG10 to FCP 6.0.2 please tell me how you executed it.
The quality is sick, but what's the point if you can't edit it.