Aliens Versus Predator Requiem

[MOVIE STUNTS]

The first one sucked a$$, but this one looks awesome check out the restricted trailer, If you are old enough.

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/746/746237/vids_1.html

[Cheesesailor77]

just out of curiosity, if you hated the the first one, what about this trailer makes you want to see this one?

I'll skip it

[Billy Pilgrim]

Aliens versus Predator Requiem? So...it's like a crossover of Aliens, Predator, and Requiem for a Dream? Are the Predators heroin addicts? I gotta say, I'm not too crazy about this.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Did either of you even watch the trailer.....? Even without watching the trailer the fact that it's not being directed by paul w.s. anderson increases the possibility that it will not suck. Having watched the trailer myself it looks pretty damn sweet.... Maybe you should watch the trailer before jumping to conclusions.
And what's wrong with predators becoming heroin addicts?

[Tlalconetl]

I like AVP. Keep 'em comin'! But I'm still waiting for Alien v. Jason v. Freddy Kruger v. Predator. Now that's a flick worth watching.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Did either of you even watch the trailer.....? Even without watching the trailer the fact that it's not being directed by paul w.s. anderson increases the possibility that it will not suck. Having watched the trailer myself it looks pretty damn sweet.... Maybe you should watch the trailer before jumping to conclusions.
And what's wrong with predators becoming heroin addicts?

Funny thing about trailers is, they can be very misleading. But I didn't make any comments about the movie, I was just making a joke.

[Cheesesailor77]

yeah, I did watch the trailer, which is what prompted my question.

It looks like teen slasher movie, which I personally don't enjoy. I love Alien AND Predator, but this franchise is rather silly :/

just my opinion

[FilmBoy77]

let me know when they start playing it on the FX channel, lol.

[karapetkov]

I'm not revealing my age to anyone...

[MOVIE STUNTS]

I'm not revealing my age to anyone...

LMAO!

[karapetkov]

LMAO!

Sorry, dunno what this stands for? If it's offensive, explain it n a PM... :)

[FilmBoy77]

it is offensive. man i can't believe he just snapped on you like that and told you LMAO!

in most states those are fighting words. i would type out what it means but i don't want to get banned. :)

[mjjason]

The site does not allow anyone born before 1900 to view the video. That is age discrimination.

[FilmBoy77]

that's just plain wrong. let's boycott.

[mjjason]

Having watched the trailer, I must say that it looks like your typical monster film, i.e. Arachnophobia, Bats, etc... Just with Alien and Predator this time. Nothing in it made it look like it was going to be good.

[karapetkov]

it is offensive. man i can't believe he just snapped on you like that and told you LMAO!

in most states those are fighting words. i would type out what it means but i don't want to get banned. :)


Don't forget that I'm a horrifying alien invader. Can't understand everything you earthlings say.

[Huy Vu]

I wonder if the filmmakers even know or care about what Requiem means, or if the words just fits the requirement for a "cool" and "dramatic" subtitle.

[J.R. Hudson]

I had to look up Requiem myself :P

After reading the defintion, I can say they probably do not

[jpeck]

How does using requiem not work?

In modern use of the word it can be literally translated to death, and that word more than any other is perfect for a 'true' AVP movie. So I am pretty sure they do know what it means. A perfect example is Requiem for a Dream, translating into Death of the American Dream.

[J.R. Hudson]

I translated it to mean the Requiem Mass

Also called Requiem Mass. the Mass celebrated for the repose of the souls of the dead.

-

Sure, there will be death in the film, but using it sounds precocious almost for a film that will most likely be cheese

[traviscool]

The download in the link did not work but I got the trailer on Youtube it looks like a standard slasher.

[jpeck]

Whether it sounds suitable, precocious or not, you guys were questioning those who named it and if they knew what requiem actually meant. If you go by what a requiem is or its symbolism; the way it was also used by Hubert Selby Jr., it is blatantly obvious they knew what the word meant.

However, if you wanted to make a case about the Wachowski brothers knowing what revolution or its plural means, I will not object. :grin:

[J.R. Hudson]

I think it more a case of

"Ohhh, this word would sound cool in the title !"

[mjjason]

The title reminds me of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIgXlvOQpo

[jpeck]

So only certain types of movies are allowed to use words like requiem in the title?

You guys should make some posts about Gus Van Sant's Elephant, asking if he actually knows what an elephant is and then when somebody says "I am sure he does" you guys can follow up with "I guess he thinks elephants are cool".

[J.R. Hudson]

Don't be a wiseguy peck.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

I think an AVP take no prisoners gorefest sounds cool, it reminds me of the comic books not a slasher film. Honestly were any of the Aliens or Predator movies standard teenage slasher films, come on sarcasm is pointless. And underestimating a new AVP movie That promises to be nothing like the first one is just silly.

[capitalP]

The trailer do look pretty good, then again trailers are known to be misleading. Everyone agrees the first one sucks, but based on this trailer I would give the second one a chance, maybe they learned from their mistakes on the first one... or maybe they think suckers like me will go see a part 2, in turn rake in at the box office. who knows.

[David Jimerson]

I'm pretty sure "Requiem for a Dream" (the title) was never intended to mean "Death of the American Dream."

It's pretty clearly used in its correct form, as a piece of music or a mass or celebration of the dead (the dream), and the "dream" would be the dreams of the main characters. While the movie was drek, the title was sterling.

I don't see a whole lot out there which uses "requiem" as a synonym for "death."

[jpeck]

Do you realize that Requiem for a Dream was a novel prior to being a film? Read the book and look up some critiques on the symbolism and meanings within it.

Were the dreams of the main characters different from the 'American Dream'? Were they not dreaming of a better life? Happiness? Success?



Don't be a wiseguy peck.

F****N Willow! That movie was traumatic.

[David Jimerson]

According to Wikipedia:


Selby explains the title of his book in this context — it is a requiem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem) for some specific dream ("A" dream) as opposed to the larger, overarching "American Dream" ("THE" dream). While an individual dream can wither and die, the American Dream is persistent and cannot be easily overcome, certainly not by those who are so entangled in it that they cannot see it.

In any case, whatever the "dream" is supposed to be, "requiem" is not used as a synonym for "death," but rather in its correct denotation.

[DeSica]

It is Requiem For A Heavyweight...Requiem For A Dream.

Not of...for.

If it meant death (which it doesn't), it would be Requiem Of...

I know someone will argue that it you can say 'death for something' and be correct, but the word means what it means...regardless. I think most filmmakers know the definition. Hopefully, Aliens Versus Predator: Requiem means this film was created to celebrate the death of a bad movie franchise in it's early stages.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

dictionary
1. Requiem Roman Catholic Church
a. A mass for a deceased person.
b. A musical composition for such a mass.
2. A hymn, composition, or service for the dead.

Basically it is a "song for death" and it is befitting a title as any.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Regardless of the title, this movie is still going to be horrible.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Regardless of the title, this movie is still going to be horrible.

You are either very perceptive or very pessimistic.

[J.R. Hudson]

No idea on the director skills but the plot is much better than recent entries

I've always wanted to see it come to Earth

[MOVIE STUNTS]

You should check out these books.

http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Hive-Aliens-Book-1/dp/0553561200

I always thought this series would make the best movies.

[Billy Pilgrim]

You are either very perceptive or very pessimistic.

And you're either an extremely defensive fanboy, or the director of Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem.

[J.R. Hudson]

lol ............

[MOVIE STUNTS]

And you're either an extremely defensive fanboy, or the director of Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem.

Funny, I haven't taken a defensive stand. I just hope it doesn't suck! Maybe you are the director. :shocked:

[Weston]

The red band trailer was pretty nuts. I dont know how they could have anything awesome in the movie they havnt already shown.

[jpeck]

In any case, whatever the "dream" is supposed to be, "requiem" is not used as a synonym for "death," but rather in its correct denotation.

Cut the rhetoric, there is no physical death by any character. If a requiem is to take place, there must be a death, what dies? Their dreams!

Also for other posters, when it comes to titles, proper grammar really doesn't matter.

[David Jimerson]

Cut the rhetoric, there is no physical death by any character. If a requiem is to take place, there must be a death, what dies? Their dreams!

Not disputing that in the least. I dispute a) that "requiem" is a synonym for "death," either in modern usage or in the context of the title, and that b) the "dream" is the "American dream, " as opposed to the specific dreams of the characters.

No rhetoric here.

[jpeck]

Were their dreams any different from the principles of the American Dream? Nope. Originally people were questioning if the directors had any idea what a requiem actually is. Of course they did. As I posted before it got deleted, cut the rhetoric. :grin:



There is a great interview from the brothers who are directing this movie and makes it sound like it will be great for those who are fans of the Alien and Predator series, especially the stuff outside of the films.

+++AVP2 small spoiler below+++

You might not think "Alien vs. Predator" fans have much in common with Paul McCartney, but these days, both are singing the same tune:

"I've got to admit it's getting better, a little better all the time - it can't get no worse."

Type the words "Alien" and "Predator" into Google, and three thoughts on the state of the franchise become clear: The fans consider 2004's "AVP: Alien vs. Predator" to be a mockery of all they hold dear; they maintain hope that some filmmaker, someday, will capture the magic of the comics, novels and video games that established the brand; and finally, that the new red-band trailer for December 25's "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem" kicks some serious ass.

"The studio knew that, although the last movie made a lot of money, it didn't really resonate solidly with the fans," admitted Greg Strause, one-half of the filmmaking duo billed as the Brothers Strause. "To get the same people back into the theater a second time, it was gonna be a bit of an uphill battle."

"We really have to prove to the fans," added his brother Colin, "that this movie's gonna be very different from the last one."

On August 24, the first-time filmmakers renowned for highly regarded music videos (Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Californication") and movie effects ("Titanic," "300") launched their initial attack. "Hence, the red-band trailer comin' out," grinned Greg, leaving the edit bay to grab a quick hamburger with his brother.

The duo recently spent a weekend sneaking into theaters and watching the blood-drenched, adults-only clip play in front of shrieking fans - assuring them that they're on the right track with their sequel.

"We wanted to [go R-rated] with it," added Colin, who not only wears the same sunglasses as his 1-year-older brother, but even orders his burger the same way. "I mean, we chest-burst a little kid!"

"Yeah, he dies," Greg confirmed of the ill-fated child. "Onscreen, and very painfully. It's pretty f---ed up, but breaking some of the rules is a good thing here."

Given the go-ahead to make their hard-R flick, the Brothers Strause are steering clear of the PG-13 traps that rendered their predecessor so despised that an "AVP" podcast recently declared, "The only thing [director] Paul [W.S.] Anderson did correctly was bring people closer together in their community hatred of him."

"I don't think anyone wanted us to talk to him," Colin laughed, confirming that they haven't met with Anderson. "This movie works even if you didn't see [Anderson's]."
With that, the duo gave us an exclusive peek at several minutes of intense footage, as well as a breakdown of their franchise renovations.

+++++++++MAJOR frimbazelEN SPOILERS READ AT YOUR OWN RISK ++++++++

Say Hello To The Predalien: After bursting from a Predator's chest at the end of the first flick, "Requiem" picks up with an Alien/Predator hybrid slaughtering several Predators. "The Predalien wreaks havoc and causes a different Predator ship - it's actually a Predator scout ship in this case - to crash on Earth," Greg explained. "You see a bunch of Predators get whacked at the beginning."

The Big Bad Wolf: "Basically you're following this one Predator - the star of this movie," Greg said of the hunter in pursuit. Added Colin, "We call him the Wolf internally because basically he's Harvey Keitel from 'Pulp Fiction.' He's the cleaner. He shows up and he's not there for the trophies. ... If anybody gets in his way, he'll just cut 'em in half."

Cleaning Supplies: "At [an early] point in the movie, [the Wolf] takes a gun off of a dead Predator, and so he has double shoulder cannons," Colin explained. "There's also a cleaner case where he stores all his new weapons. It has an implosion bomb that he uses for imploding the crash ship to basically get rid of it. ... That's a new type of bomb he has."

Death To The Working Class: Avoiding the billionaires and adventurers of the first flick, the soon-to-be battlefield of Gunnison, Colorado, is populated with working-class characters similar to the early "Alien" films. "You've got a small-town sheriff [John Ortiz, 'Miami Vice'] who everyone doubts a little bit," Colin explained. "We've got a brother story between Steven Pasquale ['Rescue Me'] and Johnny Lewis ['The O.C.'] ... There's also a mom [Reiko Aylesworth, 'Mr. Brooks'] returning from the war and trying to get reunited with her family and re-establishing her relationship with her daughter." Added Greg, "She gets very Ripley-esque; she's a tough chick."

Whip It Good: One of the "Wow!" moments in the trailer comes when the Wolf quite literally whips out his new weapon. "[When weapons were being designed,] there was this one picture of a Predator with a bullwhip," Greg recalled. "We were like, 'Sh--, this has to be in the movie! This is the coolest thing I've ever seen!' The concept is that maybe it's been made out of pieces of an Alien tail, so it has these serrated edges. ... If this whip tightens around you, it functions like a chainsaw blade and cuts you in half."

Predator, Heal Thyself: "The med kit's also back because he gets kinda f---ed up in one part," Greg said of a for-the-fans déjà vu moment with the Predator. "You get to see him do the whole med-kit scene where he's healing himself, which we didn't have in the last movie."

She's Got The Look: "The Predalien wants to hunt and reproduce," explained Colin, confirming that while there won't be an Alien queen in the new flick, the Predalien serves essentially the same purpose. "She's got a big queen head." Added Greg: "The main concept is that a Predalien should still be primarily Alien [with] very strong Alien features but with Predator mandibles and Predator dreadlocks. It walks a little more upright than a normal Alien does, but it also has the tail. It uses that tail quite a bit, and it's got a much bigger tail than a normal Alien." The brothers confirmed that the Predalien won't use Predator weaponry.

About Face: "We've also completely redesigned the Predator's face," Greg said of what the Wolf will look like when he takes off his mask. "This Predator has some Alien acid-blood scarring on his face." Added Colin, "One of his mandibles has been melted off, which is a throwback to the one Predator called Broken Tusk in the comics. ... A whole side of his face looks like Freddy Krueger. You can tell this guy's been through a million battles. ... His mandible design is very much like 'Predator 2'; he has multiple fangs on each mandible. ... We added a lot of these extra horns on the crown of his head as well."

The Voice Of Aliens Past: "One of the cool things is we got Fox to go back and digitally remaster the original recordings of the Aliens from 'Aliens,' " beamed Greg. "All of [James] Cameron's sound elements have been digitally remastered - the shrieks, the computer sounds - because we wanna tie it into 'Aliens.' ... The Alien design is also a throwback to Cameron's version. It's different, but it's inspired by the warrior Alien."

Save It For A Rainy Day: "The whole final battle between the Predator and the Predalien is pretty damn cool," Greg said. "['Requiem'] is like two different films. The first half of the movie is one tone, and the second half is when the rain's coming down ... [and] it kicks into higher gear and has more of an action thread."

Leave Your Foam Finger At Home: "We got rid of all the armor on the Predators because those guys [in 'AVP'] literally looked like football players," explained Greg. "We were like, 'The Predator in the first two movies didn't need armor!' "

After their meal, the Brothers Strause went back to the edit bay to screen two scenes: one in a morgue that ends with the Predator dissolving an Alien's face with liquid from a blue-lit container, and another with the civilians stocking up at a gun store and listening on a radio while the National Guard are taken apart by Aliens.
"I'd like to do another one but I'd like to do it in space. The next one either has to be more of the bridge after this and before 'Alien,' or you could do something after 'Aliens,' " Greg said, getting back to work. "We have a pretty finite ending to this, but we have a cliffhanger per se; it's a setup."

[David Jimerson]

Were their dreams any different from the principles of the American Dream? Nope. Originally people were questioning if the directors had any idea what a requiem actually is. Of course they did. As I posted before it got deleted, cut the rhetoric. :grin:

Well, *I* didn't delete your post. I did remove the personal attack on another poster when I restored it, though.

All you have to do is look at my post #31 to see how the author of the novel himself saw the difference between the two types of "dreams." It isn't "rhetoric."

And also, I was responding to your contention that "requiem" means the same as "death" in modern usage and in the context of the title "Requiem for a Dream." If you agree with me now that it doesn't, then great.

In any case, see if you can back off from the hostility, willya?

[jpeck]

You guys need a sarcasm smiley, because that grin was the best I could find. The smileys have failed me for the last time!

The point is, people doubted both director's knowledge of the meaning of requiem. I have yet to see anybody state something that proves that.

Either way you look at it, does a mass for the dead or death itself relate to multiple types of aliens on earth, trying to kill each other and the population of a town of humans? Of course it does, it isn't just in there for the cool factor.

While Selby Jr. may not have meant the American Dream specifically, once you publish something, it is up for many more interpretations than you actually meant, some making even more sense. The 'dreams' of a better like in Requiem for a Dream are no different than the American Dream, unless it has changed. Wanting wealth, fame, a better life and happiness are all part of 'THE DREAM' and were all parts of 'THEIR DREAMS'.

[mjjason]

Reading the article above it seems like they know what their audience wants, something the first one did not. However, the movie still sound like a cheesy creature/monster attacks small town type movie. No matter how you dress those movies up they pretty much follow the same premise.

Nothing truly exciting here.

[Blaine]

While Selby Jr. may not have meant the American Dream specifically, once you publish something, it is up for many more interpretations than you actually meant, some making even more sense.This is the biggest problem I see with interpreting an artist's work. Particularly, if said artist has stated his/her own interpretation. We are always trying to read into something, that which does not belong. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

[jpeck]

So maybe Selby Jr. just thought it was cool word? [insert sarcastic smiley here, so I am only seen as partially being an a$$hole]


"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

I totally agree with you.

[karapetkov]

And what is this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1094162/

They seem to be out-AVP-ing each other now.

:violent5:.

[jpeck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNYxHk2mlCk

[karapetkov]

What nonsense.

[Gord.T]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNYxHk2mlCk

Not sure what that was. I guess someone trying to captilize on the series to get some brownies. Woohoo.
Obviously not pro. Obviously not Hollywood. F off.

[karapetkov]

I see that the makers of AVP2 are counting on a higher body count to improve their boxoffice performance.

But a thousand dead bodies look even uglier on top of a big nothing.

[jpeck]

I am not even sure if that youtube video link I posted was for a real film or a fan film or a fack trailer.

AVP2 (AVP:R) looks and sounds really good. The two directors know what fans of the AVP series want and are giving it to them (hopefully). They also love making fun of the first AVP and Anderson.

[Rich Lee]

this already looks better then the thing they made a few years ago.

im not saying its going to be great...but anything is better then the POS they made before.

[karapetkov]

I'll probably watch this, cause I'm curious about what level of stupidity it will reach.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Good lord, I feel like my IQ has dropped significantly after watching this. I need to read a dictionary for a while, and then watch Eraserhead seven times tonight. Then maybe I'll be back to normal. I'd give this movie 1/5 of a star. I'd give it the bottom left corner of a star.

[Sad Max]

And that's the suckiest corner of the star, too.

Wow.

[Brandon Rice]

um.... I wasted my money last night... the tie-in at the end was hilarious!

[ESTEBEVERDE]

The tie in at the end was pure propaganda.

Did you get the music video before the movie as well?

We went as a family and debated it for hours.



For an AVP flick it was really good addition to the series.

A bit light and campy but still not horrible.

[karapetkov]

OMG, this was so bad...

... So they ripped off all the Alien movies + Predator + Terminator and poured several tonnes of blood over it.

And all those directly snatched lines made me laugh while vomiting.

Only "You're one ugly MF" was missing, but it really would have finished me.

...

I want these people to suffer... or at least, I want someone to make them STOOOOOOOP!... STOP!... STOP, ALREADY... STOOOOOOOOP, PLEASE STOP !!!!

STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP !

:crybaby:.

[Blaine]

Too bad they didn't make the Peter Briggs script (http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/aliens_vs_predator.txt) for AVP. I always thought it was a much better script than Anderson's.

<just watched AVP:Requiem before the ballgame...glad I didn't pay for it>