If 32gig cards were $200 how many would you buy?

[euge04]

If 32gig P2 cards were $200 how many would you buy? I think I'd buy 10 at least.

[The Noble Robot]

I'd get no more than 4. I can't imagine shooting more than 2.5 hours of 1080 footage or 5 hours of 720 footage in one day (although I'm talking narrative film here). And I can still have a PA unload to a laptop once or twice a day if I run out of space. 4 cards, even at 8GB, is a luxury.

10 cards? Really? Even if they were that cheap (although you're still talking about dropping $2,000) that would be unnecessary overkill.

[Neil Rowe]

i would buy 2. and then i would buy some chips and salsa.. and possibly some sort of garden variety vegitable to go into the salsa for extra flavor. because according to the laws of physics, i think that would be the best avenue to take.

[Matthew R. Rodwell]

I would buy 1,000 and put them all on ebay and sell them to all those people that are paying the 25% markup on them...then I would take that money and buy a couple of Red Ones :D

[Barry_Green]

Two or three. Don't really need any more than that.

[Jason Ramsey]

A max of four per camera. Likely 3. I wouldn't buy more, just b/c they were cheaper. I'd just save money, and put it towards something else:)

Jason

[ullanta]

If they were $100, I'd buy 12. I often shoot more or less 6 hours straight, and that would cover me for 1080p... of course, if they were $5 or even $10 each, I'd use 'em for backup. You know... just in case I need the original footage. If they were $.10, I'd use 'em for business cards.

[TedRR]

If they were $1 I'd probably still only get 4 of them. Of course Panasonic would go out of business and that wouldn't be good for us now would it? :)

[Tom]

I would buy around 2-3.

[Jason Ramsey]

I just don't see much of a need to use it as a disposable media... Though, if the option were there, *maybe* I wouldn't think that way. With the size cards that are coming in short order, and what is projected over the next couple of years, there isn't need for it to be used as such.

What is terribly lagging, in my opinion, are affordable, reliable, long-term archival/storage solutions. But, that is slowly coming around, and will have to now that other players are entering the solid state market, and the market on the whole will likely (as indicated long ago) move in that direction entirely. Probably the high end market with things like p2, sxs, etc. And, the lower end with things like SD and CF.

Anyways, what I want, is affordable, and rock solid archival solutions. That's where the lag is imo.

Jason

[wgzn]

uhhh... let's see. if a $1600 product were available for ONE EIGHTH of it's current retail value:

a. i'd pinch myself to see if i were dreaming
b. i'd look around for the hidden camera or the undercover customs officer
c. i'd wonder if i had to by a beachfront timeshare to get that price
d. providing that neither a, b nor c from above were the case - ID BUY EVERY FREAKING ONE THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THAT PRICE!!! and start a 32g p2 card business!!!

what kind of question is this?!?!??!?!

uh... i'd buy 4

whatever?

[John Godden]

If 32gig P2 cards were $200 how many would you buy? I think I'd buy 10 at least.

If you're dreaming (and CLEARLY you are) why not dream for an unlimited free source of the cards? :nads:

[dregenthal]

. . . If they were $.10, I'd use 'em for business cards.

Yeah, business cards, that's what I'd do!

(pretty funny ullanta--still cracking up).

[mumin]

Well that is only if u would own multiple hvx and want to shoot with all. U dont need that many cards for one cam.

[indigo]

Reading this thread I can really see the problem that Panasonic have with P2..... there IS a finite P2 size. Let me explain... with HDD if you had 100TB drives people would still want more but with P2 after around 64GB the offload times become an issue and also the vast majority of people just don't need that much recording time.

For me I reckon my needs for the HVX will be met with 2x32gb cards if they bring out a decent sized P2 store at a reasonable price then I MIGHT consider 2x64GB but 128gb cards and 2 hour offload times.... no way!

I think that P2 will only grow in size through new unrealeased hardware using higher resolutions say 4k i.e. Panansonic's RED 'killer' due at NAB '08 priced at under $10k ;)

Indy... In Starbucks, Lima, Peru!

[mikkowilson]

I can totally see Indy's point.

Last year when I got a digital camera for the first time, the 512MB CF card I had for it was rather restricting.

Now I have a 2GB card that lives in it. I'm sure some day it'll run out, but I don't expect it beeing any time soon. And I dread the day that I need to offload that 2GB card in a hurry.

- Mikko

[Luis Caffesse]

If 16GB P2 cards came free in boxes of Lucky Charms...how many boxes would you buy?**


http://www.pitchproductions.com/pics/luckycharmsP2.jpg







**Of course boxes of Lucky Charms will now cost roughly $905.95 each**

[The Noble Robot]

People are ridiculing this notion, since those card won't be that cheap for a decade, but I think the point of the exercise were "if price were no issue, how many would you buy?"

Meaning, how many do you need?

[Barry_Green]

If price were truly no issue (meaning, they were $5 apiece) then I'd buy hundreds. Not all at once, but at that commodity pricing why not use 'em as footage and archival all at once?

But as long as there are other, cheaper archive options, the question becomes how many do you need to do what you do? For Ullanta, shooting multi-camera operas, he needs a lot more than someone who shoots TV commercials. For a TV commercial, one card is all you'd likely ever need. Why buy more, when you'd never ever use it? With four 32GB cards in an HPX500, you're talking about over two hours of 1080, or almost six hours of 720/24pN, in-camera with no offloading. Can't think of too many shooting situations that would need more than six hours of storage in any one day, so why buy more than you need and could reasonably use?

(Of course, this coming from the guy who still has two 4GB cards...)

[obada]

i would buy 3 :)

[euge04]

If P2 cards were like water I would use them for archival purposes. I like the idea of keeping data on solid state memory cards instead of hard drives. What would be nice to see are hard drives made of solid state memory cards that are hundreds of gigs. I've used the firestore a few times and I just enjoy the ease of use with the P2 cards. The production company I worked for was very hesitant to use the HVX because of the workflow issue. As P2 cards come down in price and increase in size it's really going to make these Panasonic cameras more valuable. DVCPRO looks better in my opinion than HDV and is a lot easier to edit to boot. I really like the workflow a lot. I just want more cards and space. I never considered the camera a documentary camera but with the 32gig cards I can. If I could only afford a bunch of 'em!

I was also wondering if cheaper P2 cards could increase the sales of cameras the same way good software can drive the sales of a good computer system.

[Matthew R. Rodwell]

If 16GB P2 cards came free in boxes of Lucky Charms...how many boxes would you buy?**


http://www.pitchproductions.com/pics/luckycharmsP2.jpg







**Of course boxes of Lucky Charms will now cost roughly $905.95 each**

LMAO Luis

[Luis Caffesse]

LMAO Luis

Glad someone thought it was funny.
:thumbsup:

[Neil Rowe]

(Of course, this coming from the guy who still has two 4GB cards...)


.. i still only have one 4 GB card. but truth be told ive never really needed anything more yet. coming up ive got a live event (which is very very rare for me to do) that i think ill run straight to a laptop with "On Location", but other than that for any dramatic production purposes ive generally only needed to offload about 8 times a day max. and thats just if im not deleting any obviously unuseable takes right away. its just so easy to offload in between setups or locations that i dont really see a great need for more card space unless i start working the live event scene.

[marketmd]

.. i still only have one 4 GB card.
How many minutes does that get you?

[Jason Ramsey]

4 minutes in all non native modes.

10 minutes in 720p/24pn

Jason

[PaPa]

i'd buy 17 of them, take them apart, and use my transformer cube of life to put all the pieces together to assemble a mean hvx200.

[Noel Evans]

4 tp fill the HPX.

[DerrickTempleton]

is this the current going rate?

4gb p2: $300
8gb p2: $550
16gb p2: $900
32gb p2: $1600

[GaryOldman]

Reading this thread I can really see the problem that Panasonic have with P2..... there IS a finite P2 size. Let me explain... with HDD if you had 100TB drives people would still want more but with P2 after around 64GB the offload times become an issue and also the vast majority of people just don't need that much recording time.

For me I reckon my needs for the HVX will be met with 2x32gb cards if they bring out a decent sized P2 store at a reasonable price then I MIGHT consider 2x64GB but 128gb cards and 2 hour offload times.... no way!

I think that P2 will only grow in size through new unrealeased hardware using higher resolutions say 4k i.e. Panansonic's RED 'killer' due at NAB '08 priced at under $10k ;)

Indy... In Starbucks, Lima, Peru!
Indigo, can you elaborate on said RED killer? Especially that under 10k part? I'm literally JUST about to get an HVX. Should I hold off...?

[indieGuerilla]

I would buy a few for my camera and a few for my pda.

[Kamerabursch]

Would buy 1, because I always have enough free space on my 2x16 Gig P2 Cards so why buy more???

[Holy Harry]

I would buy at least six... I often shoot for a few hours in a single day.

Now, if HVX's were $200 each...