Top 10 Films of All Time

[ZFarms Productions]

Dean's Top 100 Films of All Time:

1) Casablanca
2) Raiders of the Lost Ark
3) Angel's With Dirty Faces
4) The Godfather Part II
5) It's A Wonderful Life
6) The Public Enemy
7) Mr. Smith Goes To Washington
8) Sunset Blvd.
9) The Searchers
10) Rear Window

What's yours?

[danadigital]

Fight Club
Chasing Amy
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Me, You and Everyone We Know
Almost Famous
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Con Air
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
High Fidelity
Elizabethtown

[capitalP]

Vanilla Sky
Terminator 2
Carlito's Way
Sweet Dreams
Se7en
Requiem for a Dream
Shawshank Redemption
Forest Gump
Breakfast Club
Bravehart

Notice the newest film on there is Vanilla Sky 2001, I've yet to see anything in the last 6 years to bump anything off my list. I'd like to mention though, Empire Strikes back got bump down a slot after seeing Requiem for a Dream.

[Phil Maker]

The Breakfast Club
Good, Bad & Ugly
Good Will Hunting
Shawshank Redemption
Titanic
Robocop
Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross
The Shining
Boogie Nights
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest

[cine emphasis]

Pan's Labyrinth
Pulp Fiction
Children of Men
Godfather
Goodfellas
The Departed
Layer Cake
Jaws
Scarface
Munich

[J.R. Hudson]

So hard and so moody in my choices; but today it would be:


Jaws

Apacalypse Now

The Godfather

The Godfather II

Schindler's List

Goodfellas

Pulp Fiction

Psycho

Rocky

Star Wars - 1977

[Kirk Gillock]

Top 10:
Amelie
Fight Club
Braveheart
Jurrasic Park
Finding Nemo
Moulin Rouge
Forrest Gump
Raisng Arizona
This is Spinal Tap
Raiders of the Lost Ark


Alternates:
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
The Sound of Music
Serenity

[Billy Pilgrim]

Taxi Driver
A Clockwork Orange
A Woman Under The Influence
Eraserhead
Trainspotting
Mean Streets
The Godfather Part II
City of God
Harold and Maude
Fargo

[Jg Marceaux BestBetter]

Pan's Labyrinth
E.T.
Gone with the Wind
The Godfather II
Beauty and the Beast
Mulholland Drive
Chocolat
The Sound of Music
Batman Begins
Finding Nemo

I found Casablanca and Citizen Kane boring, but I love A Christmas Carol with Alastair Sim.

[J.R. Hudson]

I have never seen Citizen Kane; can you believe it ?

[cine emphasis]

Hey Jg Marceaux

How do you rank Pan's on your list. I see you have it the top. I think cinematographers and editors alike, should study that movie. Mulholland Drive, is definitely not a movie for everyone, but people either really like it or they don't at all.

[Steve Strickland]

My ten as of this minute:

Shawshank Redemption
The Empire Strikes Back
Raising Arizona
John Carpenter's The Thing
The Shining
The Color Purple
Boogie Nights
Evil Dead 2
The Warriors
Invasion Of The Body Snatchers '78

These wouldn't really be my opinion of the greatest films ever made, which I guess is the point of this thread, but the movies I find myself picking out of my collection repeatedly. So, Ritchie's most watched list is more appropriate.

[AloysiusK]

Wow, that's pretty much impossible for me. But here goes...

Lawrence of Arabia
La Dolce Vita
Network
Ikuru
The Singing Detective (1986 British Version)
Persona
Pather Panchali
Rear Window
Cache
Breaking the Waves

I feel bad leaving off Peter Weir, Terrance Malick, Robert Altman, Coppola, John Cassavettes, Jim Jarmusch, Stanley Kubrick, Wong Kar Wai, David Lynch, Jean Renoir, Antonioni, Edward Yang, and Anh Hung Tran because they have made some of my favorites.

[David Jimerson]

Fight Club
Chasing Amy
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Me, You and Everyone We Know
Almost Famous
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Con Air
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
High Fidelity
Elizabethtown

Kinda skewed toward the last ten years, innit?

[Sven]

Pan's Labyrinth
North by Northwest
The Matrix
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Godfather II
Fight Club
Schindler's List
Alien
Vanilla Sky
The Seven Samurai

[DeSica]

I have never seen Citizen Kane; can you believe it ?


Dude, judging from the responses so far, it seems like most people haven't seen Kane....or The Bicycle Thieves, The Third Man, Lawrence Of Arabia, Raging Bull, La Dolce Vita, La Regle Du Jeu, 8 1/2, The Passion of Joan of Arc, and a whole bunch of other great films.

This thread could be the top ten films of last 12 years, or top ten films made during the 17 years you've been alive.

Don't be afraid to see Citizen Kane. Odds are a few of the directors you look up to consider it a masterpiece, and have found it influential. It isn't boring at all, nor is Casablanca...not if cinematography, mis en scene, and strong performances interest you.

You're not one of those people who eschews black and white films, are you? I'd guess that you are not, since you have Schindler's List jotted down.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

I wont go through my top ten, but I do have a favorite that many do not share with me.... Meet Joe Black.

I think the story is enchanting, a great lesson in love, life and death. It is shot beautifully by one of the greatest DP's in our modern day. The length is long and it may not have any explosions, but it is a clever and well crafted film.

Not to mention I fall for Claire Forlani's character everytime. I want to be Brad Pitt's character, and when I'm older, I want to be Anthony Hopkins character... or just Anthony Hopkins because he is one of the coolest old men.

haha :)

[pdsage10]

The Village

Man on Fire

Lady in the Water

Children of Men

Pans labrynth

Top Gun

Crash

A.I.

Sixth Sense

V for Vendetta

[Erik Olson]

Not to hi-jack, but DeSica is absolutely right.

We've got some interesting conversations going in the 100 Films forums (click any link below) on benchmark motion pictures that are considered required viewing for new and established filmmakers alike.

I'd like to challenge anyone who predominantly favors films (by 50% or more) produced within the past twenty-five years in their Top 10 to participate in one or more of our 100 Films discussions.

There is a great deal that can be learned through the study of older pictures even as we all struggle to stay on top of the newest emerging techniques and technologies. Please add your voice to the conversation!

Cheers,

e

[danadigital]

Kinda skewed toward the last ten years, innit?


yes, yes it is. I admit I enjoy those movies more than classics. I get yelled at for it alllll the time. oh well.

The Beatles are also not in my top ten musical acts...

[AloysiusK]

Also, for those who list Vanilla Sky, you should check out the 1997 original, Abre los ojos by Alejandro Amenebar(who also directed The Sea Inside, The Others, and Thesis).
I think it is the better version, plus it's the original.

[pdsage10]

Dude, judging from the responses so far, it seems like most people haven't seen Kane....or The Bicycle Thieves, The Third Man, Lawrence Of Arabia, Raging Bull, La Dolce Vita, La Regle Du Jeu, 8 1/2, The Passion of Joan of Arc, and a whole bunch of other great films.

This thread could be the top ten films of last 12 years, or top ten films made during the 17 years you've been alive.

Don't be afraid to see Citizen Kane. Odds are a few of the directors you look up to consider it a masterpiece, and have found it influential. It isn't boring at all, nor is Casablanca...not if cinematography, mis en scene, and strong performances interest you.

You're not one of those people who eschews black and white films, are you? I'd guess that you are not, since you have Schindler's List jotted down.


Not to say that the movies you have mentioned are not great, but the main reason why people say that they are the greatest is because they were the first. But being first should not automatically give them a spot in the top films of all time. It is a stepping stone from which most films of today can be traced back to (story, filming techniques), but if you take a look, you will see that many films of the past twenty years have met and surpassed the level of Citizen Kane.

[capitalP]

pdsage10, good call on A.I. I think we're the only two people who liked this movie.

Also, for those who list Vanilla Sky, you should check out the 1997 original, Abre los ojos by Alejandro Amenebar(who also directed The Sea Inside, The Others, and Thesis).
I think it is the better version, plus it's the original.

I agree with you, don't know why I didn't list the original, but the acting was so much better in the original still a great love story in either language.





Not to hi-jack, but DeSica is absolutely right.

We've got some interesting conversations going in the 100 Films forums (click any link below) on benchmark motion pictures that are considered required viewing for new and established filmmakers alike.

I'd like to challenge anyone who predominantly favors films (by 50% or more) produced within the past twenty-five years in their Top 10 to participate in one or more of our 100 Films discussions.

There is a great deal that can be learned through the study of older pictures even as we all struggle to stay on top of the newest emerging techniques and technologies. Please add your voice to the conversation!

Cheers,

e

I'll check the thread out.

But, I gotta see that Pan's Labyrinth, it seems to be in alot of everyone's top ten.. I gotta see what I'm missing.

And not to start a Citizen Kane War, but I saw this movie, sure it's considered to be a masterpiece by most, but the basic element of loving a film is the story. And I thought the story wasn't that good. As for it being great film making, maybe it should be on another list by itself like the top ten technical film, but not the top ten film... now ofcourse this is only my opinion:grin:

[AloysiusK]

You make a good point with regards to some films, but I have never seen anything remotely close to surpassing 8 1/2, Lawrence of Arabia, Raging Bull, The Third Man, La Dolce Vita in context to what those film were doing. Maybe with a Citizen Kane, sure.

When making best of lists and talking about choices there are always going to be sweeping generalizations that kind of throw off focus.

Please give an example of how a movie has used similar techniques to the aforementioned films and done it better. I can't think of any. I think that is why they are so timeless and astonishing.

[Mark Harris]

Not to hi-jack, but DeSica is absolutely right.

We've got some interesting conversations going in the 100 Films forums (click any link below) on benchmark motion pictures that are considered required viewing for new and established filmmakers alike.

I'd like to challenge anyone who predominantly favors films (by 50% or more) produced within the past twenty-five years in their Top 10 to participate in one or more of our 100 Films discussions.

There is a great deal that can be learned through the study of older pictures even as we all struggle to stay on top of the newest emerging techniques and technologies. Please add your voice to the conversation!

Cheers,

e

Ha ha, this thread is AWESOME. But beyond "There is a great deal that can be learned." (thanks for making it sound like school, Erik :) ), there are genuinely great films from the whole history of the medium. Greed is still one of the most powerful films I have ever seen.

A common problem though is that many folks are incapable of overcoming their own prejudices and tastes to even know how to look at something that is not what they are used to, meaning something that looks like THEM. This is the result of a lack of education (not only in films, but in everything else as well). I'm sure there are many people in the world today who would rank Harry Potter books as better than Tolstoy or Dickens or Faulkner.

Anyway, not trying to be a dick, but for the love of God people, listen to Erik and go take part in that thread and watch some films!!! :)

And trust me, my own education in European Film is nothing short of pathetic.

I'll take a my top films off the top of my head:

Greed
Ran
His Girl Friday
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Talk to Her
Once Upon a Time in the West
Mother Night
2001
The Conversation

[pdsage10]

You make a good point with regards to some films, but I have never seen anything remotely close to surpassing 8 1/2, Lawrence of Arabia, Raging Bull, The Third Man, La Dolce Vita in context to what those film were doing. Maybe with a Citizen Kane, sure.

When making best of lists and talking about choices there are always going to be sweeping generalizations that kind of throw off focus.

Please give an example of how a movie has used similar techniques to the aforementioned films and done it better. I can't think of any. I think that is why they are so timeless and astonishing.

I have watched Raging Bull about five times, but cant even recall a techique that was used that I have not seen before. Help me out here and tell me what specifically you are looking for.

[Erik Olson]

Mark,

You have moved solidly into my Circle of Favorites with the inclusion of Greed in your all-time top 10.

Eventually, we'll depart from the AFI 100 Years 100 Films list in favor of even more challenging material - say, for instance, three consecutive Jean Vigo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0024844/) films over three months.

When I started the 100 Films Discussions, I was thinking, "Okay, this is like a DVXUser Critical Film Studies Course 101 By Amatuers for Everyone".

e

[AloysiusK]

Technique was the wrong word. What I was trying to ask was which films have met and surpassed the films listed? And are they better films? If you just meant Citizen Kane, then I agree with you.
I do think that films copy techniques and surpass them on a technical level, but rarely do they have the story and drama to make the technique only an element of greater whole. These films have the whole package in my opinion. No weaknesses.

On a side note, one of the most impressive things about Raging Bull is how convincingly they execute showing Jake's character over a long span of time. I really feel like he is getting older, and I know that it is Deniro, but still I am convinced. But that is only one element of the film.

Edit: And if you do know a film that is like La Dolce Vita or 8 1/2 but better, please let me know 'cause I will be heading to video store in 2 shakes.

[DeSica]

Not to say that the movies you have mentioned are not great, but the main reason why people say that they are the greatest is because they were the first. But being first should not automatically give them a spot in the top films of all time. It is a stepping stone from which most films of today can be traced back to (story, filming techniques), but if you take a look, you will see that many films of the past twenty years have met and surpassed the level of Citizen Kane.

Really? How so?

How are these films among the first? You know they have been making films for over 100 years, right? Did you see any Lumiere brothers stuff on the list? The Great Train Robbery was wildly innovative and a technical milestone back in 1903, and I have seen it, but it wouldn't make the top ten on any day for me.

I just saw The Passion of Joan of Arc a week or so ago...almost 80 years after it was made, and I thought it was amazing. after seeing it, i found out that the original negative was destroyed, and that this version was pieced together with cuts that Dreyer had originally discarded. The guy made a better film with what he was going to chuck than most direcors have made with their "best" of twelve takes.

I may have to agree with Pauline Kael when she says Renee Falconetti's performance "may be the finest performance ever recorded on film." It really was that good.

As for Kane, it isn't my favourite film, but it does seem to creep into my posts, largely due to it being brought up for one reason or another. I grew up on the films from the last 25 years. I have seen more films than just about anyone I know, including directors and movie executives, and maybe even a few of my instructors. Not just good movies, but some real crap, too. I had inkling of wanting to make movies since I was 18 or so, but when I saw Hud at 19 or 20, I knew I loved films, and that I would only truly be happy if I could one day make them.

I was 26 years old when I saw Kane, I had already heard all the talk and the hype, and I was still blown away. The choice of angles and shot composition in relation to emotion and narrative alone could merit a week's worth of discussion. Todays' stuff often has dutch angles and exaggerated shots without any regard for what they are supposed to mean in relation to the events on screen. There's a whole bunch of style for style's sake.

I have been moved by many films, and there are a great number of films I watch repeatedly because I am drawn to them for some reason, but nothing has ever made the impression that Kane did (except maybe The Bicycle Thieves). It was like a slap in the face, and it made me want to cry, as Caesar did at 24 when he thought of all that Alexander had achieved at 18, because I knew I had just seen greatness, and that I myself may never come close to it in anything I ever manage to do.

[J.R. Hudson]

It is hard for generations to appreciate the works before them if only due to lack of exposure I think.

I'm a 70's baby, and most of my 'favortie ever's' are from the 70's - 90's and a bit O 00's

I love cinema, period.

I have been known to shun the art house guy; the one who swears Tarkovsky is the best ever and all is s hit. I appreciate anything that kicks ass, why not like Tarkovsky and Spielberg ?

And yes, Lawrence of Arabia and Raging Bull are epic. That's why I hate TOP 10 lists; too short. : /

[AloysiusK]

Shoot! John, I forgot Tarkovsky! He blows my mind. But it doesn't get on my nerves anymore when people don't dig him. He is definitely not for everyone. I like other stuff too, though. I love Raiders.

[Jg Marceaux BestBetter]

Hey Jg Marceaux

How do you rank Pan's on your list. I see you have it the top. I think cinematographers and editors alike, should study that movie.
It's my top pick. Words really can't describe how phenomenal this movie is. It's a modern day masterpiece.


Mulholland Drive, is definitely not a movie for everyone, but people either really like it or they don't at all.This movie had me thinking about it for weeks afterward. This is the closest experience, cinematically, that you can have to reliving someone else's dream.

[DeSica]

It is hard for generations to appreciate the works before them if only due to lack of exposure I think.

For some, yes. That's why I wonder at how some pople don't think past a certain level. If you enjoy a certain band, don't you start to explore their influences? Why not explore the films that your favourite film person finds fascinating?


I'm a 70's baby, and most of my 'favortie ever's' are from the 70's - 90's and a bit O 00'sSame here. Lots of my favourites are from during my lifetime.

I was maybe 7 or 8 years old when Raging Bull came out. I saw it the night before I was set to return home after spending a couple of months in Italy when I was 19 (I think I may have seen it once before). When I landed, after a 12 hour flight, I had my father pass by a video store and we watched it that night. I must have watched it like 6 times in the next two weeks.


I love cinema, period. Exactly.


why not like Tarkovsky and Spielberg ? You can. Who said otherwise?


And yes, Lawrence of Arabia and Raging Bull are epic.Not merely epic...timeless.


That's why I hate TOP 10 lists; too short. : / For sure.

[Phil Maker]

Dude, judging from the responses so far, it seems like most people haven't seen Kane....or The Bicycle Thieves, The Third Man, Lawrence Of Arabia, Raging Bull, La Dolce Vita, La Regle Du Jeu, 8 1/2, The Passion of Joan of Arc, and a whole bunch of other great films.

This thread could be the top ten films of last 12 years, or top ten films made during the 17 years you've been alive.

Don't be afraid to see Citizen Kane. Odds are a few of the directors you look up to consider it a masterpiece, and have found it influential. It isn't boring at all, nor is Casablanca...not if cinematography, mis en scene, and strong performances interest you.

You're not one of those people who eschews black and white films, are you? I'd guess that you are not, since you have Schindler's List jotted down.

I saw Kane. It sucked. Saw Casablanca too. Wasn't much better. In the days of those films they were still practicing. I've yet to see a great film from that era.

[Phil Maker]

I have watched Raging Bull about five times, but cant even recall a techique that was used that I have not seen before. Help me out here and tell me what specifically you are looking for.

Raging Bull was great, but the best ever? I liked Goodfellas and Taxi Driver both better.

[AloysiusK]

Phil Maker,

Everyone is certainly going to have different tastes. But can you at least describe how Casablanca sucked? Why did it suck?

[Phil Maker]

Phil Maker,

Everyone is certainly going to have different tastes. But can you at least describe how Casablanca sucked? Why did it suck?

I didn't say it sucked. I said it wasn't much better. It was ok. I didn't relate to it. The ending wasn't so good. The acting was fake. The writing was contrived.

[Blaine]

01 The Wind and the Lion
02 Braveheart
03 Blade Runner
04 Aliens
05 Tombstone
06 Schindler's List
07 Body Heat
08 The Outlaw Josie Wales
09 The Man Who Would Be King
10 Chinatown

[J.R. Hudson]

Majority of that list, Blaine could easily be mine on any Sunday.

[krestofre]

I think we've had more discussion on Citizen Kane in this thread than we did in the original 100 Films Discussion thread.

For reference, here it is.

http://66.225.214.124/~dvxuser/V6/showthread.php?t=85801&highlight=films+citizen+kane

Never too late to resurrect one of those threads and carry on the conversation.

My list?

1: Raiders of the Lost Ark
2: Blade Runner
3: Star Wars - 1977
4: 2001: A Space Odyssee
5: The Godfather
6: Apocalypse Now
7: Citizen Kane
8: Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind
9: Annie Hall
10: M

With mild fluctuation, but even then it still leans embarrassingly modern.

[J.R. Hudson]

Practicing ? They'll be saying the same thing about Scorsese in 100 years :P

Blasphemy.

[Herman Witkam]

Lists like these are pointless, and hard to compile. When reviewing them later, I always have the urge to edit them (which I won't).

1) Ivan the Terrible 1+2
2) 'Woman in the Dunes' or 'The Face of Another'
3) Andrej Rublev
4) Persona
5) Ran
6) Otto e Mezzo
7) Playtime
8) Metropolis (Lang)
9) Hadako no Shima
10) Eraserhead

In classical cinema, I think that Japan and Russia are terribly underrated.

[ZFarms Productions]

I've seen Kane. I love it. It's in my top 20 films of all time. Great film. I love the film. Its just I like the other films more.

Casablanca's writing is contrived? Bad acting? WTF? Different strokes for different folks, but wow. I'm just going to stop here so I don't say something that'll get me banned

[pdsage10]

How about this, what if films like, Citizen Kane, Joan of Arc, etc.... were made today with the same acting and filming techniques that were used to make them when they were originally produced. Would they be veiwed as greats?

Also, its not that I have not had exposure to these films. I have had years of classes on film history and have seen many of the classics multiple times. I just dont like to accept someone elses opinion as my own just because its the popular opinion(among instructors and art house enthusiasts). Education sometimes breeds enlightenment, other times it breeds conformity.

[krestofre]

How about this, what if films like, Citizen Kane, Joan of Arc, etc.... were made today with the same acting and filming techniques that were used to make them when they were originally produced. Would they be veiwed as greats?

In most cases I can honestly say yes. There are some classic films that are great because of their historical context. Others are just great. If Kane or Casablanca were released today I would find them just as great. Kane especially has a remarkably modern asthetic to it, which I've talked about before at great lengths.

[Weston]

The Village
The New World
Schindlers List
Star Wars Episode IV
Lord of the Rings
The Sound of Music
Raiders Of the Lost Ark
Apocolypse Now
A Hard Days Night
Kill Bill Vol.1

[Kirk Gillock]

This is tough. But seeing everyone elses answers helped. I had to go back and change my list and add some alternates. Can't believe I forgot Raising Arizona. That movie is perfection.


And am I the only one who liked Amelie? I figured that would be a filmmakers favorite. Every frame is a work of art and the music is amazing. Come on, show some love for Amelie. But not TOO MUCH love. I'm a jealous boyfriend and she's ALL MINE!

[DeSica]

How about this, what if films like, Citizen Kane, Joan of Arc, etc.... were made today with the same acting and filming techniques that were used to make them when they were originally produced. Would they be veiwed as greats?

What do you think some of these directors are trying to do? Exactly what you have stated. When you hear a guy like Socrcese talk about the great films that have inspired him, you see how they resonate through his work in some way or another. When you read his stuff in Cahiers Du Cinema, or wherever, you get a glimpse into the greatness that inspires further greatness. They aspire to the level of the artists that have inspired them.


Also, its not that I have not had exposure to these films. I have had years of classes on film history and have seen many of the classics multiple times. I just dont like to accept someone elses opion as my own just because its the popular opinion(among instructors and art house enthusiasts).I agree. I watched hundreds and hundreds of films before I ever took a film class. In my teens I watched a good deal of crap, and some good stuff, too. I'm ashamed to even admit to myself that I enjoyed Cobra, nevermind in a public forum. As I grew older, I came out of my funk, and began to seriously appreciate well made films. My friends hated seeing movies with me because I was so critical, and I hated seeing films with some of them because they would pay money to seestuff like Housesitter.

Most of the people I met in film school were watching stuff like Charlie's Angels, which I got dragged to and hated. Worst two dollars I ever spent. No teacher told me what to like. I made up my own mind. I laughed at The Waterboy and I liked There's Something About Mary. Just thinking about them makes me want to watch A Day At The Races. That film was genius...though I could do without the musical interlude, but it still cracks me up.

I think The Pope of Greenwich Village is an excellent film...one of my faves. I'd put it in my personal top ten. Most people wouldn't agree. I think Rumblefish is a wonderful film...one of Coppola's best. Most people would probably disagree. Right now Sexy Beast beckons to me yet again, though I have seen it a dozen times. I'd put it in my top ten favourites. I doubt anyone else on here would.

I think Michael Mann's Thief is one of the greatest American films ever made, and perhaps one of my top three, if not my absolute favourite. I once watched it every morning at 6am for five days straight. My father would get up to report to set for a film he had a bit part in (a glorified extra), and ask me why I was watching it again...and then sit down and start watching it with me. My mother would have to keep reminding him he was late before he would get up and leave. This happened every day. Most people haven't even heard of it.

I didn't enjoy Kubrick's 2001, but I did like Eyes Wide Shut, and I think Paths of Glory may be his best film. I am clearly in the minority there.

Public opinion says Independence Day was a good movie, and a co-worker recommended it to me. I saw it. It sucked hard. I'm talking Home Alone hard. So did Bad Boys, Bad Boys II, American Pie...all of them blockbusters, and all of them widely praised by joe moviegoer. Watch Turkish Star Wars and maybe you'll understand how I felt seeing some of those films.


Education sometimes breeds enlightenment, other times it breeds conformity. Absoluetly. Schooling prepares one to fit in to society and a job. Thinking for yourself isn't really as accepted as people believe.

[SPZ]

How about this, what if films like, Citizen Kane, Joan of Arc, etc.... were made today with the same acting and filming techniques that were used to make them when they were originally produced. Would they be veiwed as greats?

Also, its not that I have not had exposure to these films. I have had years of classes on film history and have seen many of the classics multiple times. I just dont like to accept someone elses opion as my own just because its the popular opinion(among instructors and art house enthusiasts). Education sometimes breeds enlightenment, other times it breeds conformity.

Interesting point. I believe that this is the moment where we discuss the Art of Film. Because, if we see, most of the movies people nominated are "auteur" films, in one point or another. Bergman's films like the Seventh Seal, for example, would probably be shot in a different more pleasant to the eye way by todays standards, if young Bergman was Born today. But the message would be the same, and the language would probably be very similar. A Bergman movie is a Bergman movie, with its own unique language, and that value is timeless.

The same goes to major auteur movies. Sometimes, a big non auteur movie can achieve greatness, because all elements just work incredibly well together, like Casablanca. Casablanca is like a timeless POP song. They do exist, and they have their mark in the history of music, much like the biggest classical or "academically accepted" educated music.

Its about comunication, about individual visions, and about many "languages" coming together in one single comunicative effort.

My (immediate, not much tought out) top 10, in no particular order except for the first one

1- In The Mood For Love (Masterpiece. Narrative, editing, camerawork, mise-en-scene. Master storytelling. Intimate, Romantic. Music, Image, acting, narrative... All blend in this romantic... masterpiece. )

2- La Strada ( A Realist Fairy tale by Fellini. Its a movie done by a Fellini that still believed, despite of the sad ending, on the magic of relationships. Its the movie that announced the appearance of the desilusioned bohemian in La Dolce Vitta, and the desilusioned filmmaker in 8 1/2. Its a magical movie, with a sad end- announcing Fellini's journey in life. His films are incredibly personal, but also accessible. )

3- La Vita é Bela ( A movie by a poet of the people. Its a poem to Love, life, parenthood and war. More powerful than any war movie to date, in my opinion)

4- Moulin Rouge! (If love could be filmed, it should be this movie. The movie I know I wouldn't be able to do. A Masterpiece)


5- Kingdom (Von Trier Series- He uses his "dogma" style in a creative fictional direction, taking the themes he likes to expose in his movies in a new and extremelly powerful direction. )

6- Fist of Fury (why? Never seen such actor presence in a movie untill today. Its a B movie, with terrible acting, but nothing comes close in therms of screen presence. A movie that almost single handedly created the spirit of the people of one town- the Hong-Kongers- even tought the movie portraits Xanghai! )

7- Persona (Bergman's fantastic character study. Incredibly shot and written. Non-Linear storytelling that is as fresh today as it was back then)

8- A Straight Story (David Lynch's best, and most underrated movie, IMO)

9- Rocky (a Honest, flawed- like any human- story about believing and being positive. About non conformism and about principles. In a world of individuality, of conformism and desilusions, this is the definitive "Man's" movie.)

10- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind- simple yet complex, accessible yet deep. Excelent analogy to Love and relationships. (Another romantic movie... Yeah, I know...)

EDIT- See, that's the problem of top 10's... I feel it would not be fair to skip The Bicycle Thieves, The Aviator, Taxi Driver, The Village (Blasphemy!), and on, and on, and on....

[hvpz]

More than 10 but who cares !! :o)
In no particular order and all n°1 in my heart. Depending the moment and the mood.

1 - Underground (kusturica)
1 - Black cat/white cat (kusturica)
1 - Time of the Gypsies (kusturica)
1 - Blade runner
1 - Die hard 1
1 - 12 angry men
1 - 8 1/2
1 - Gattaca
1 - The Good, The Bad, The Evil
1 - Brazil
1 - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (Terry Gilliam is a genius)
1 - 12 monkeys
1 - Back to the future
1 - Leon - The professional
1 - Alien
1 - Elephant man
1 - 7 samourais
1 - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
1 - Rear Window
1 - The Graduate
1 - Blue Velvet
1 - Midnight express
1 - Pi
1 - Save the Green Planet (Jeong Jun-Hwan / South Korea) one of the funniest movie ever made
1 - Oldboy
1 - 3-Iron (Kim Ki-duk is a genius too)
1 - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring

I didn't include french movies excepted "the professional" but I can build a list as long as this one with french movies.

"Citizen kane" is overrated imo, I prefer much more "touch of evil" and not only for the opening shot.

[capitalP]

I just dont like to accept someone elses opion as my own just because its the popular opinion.

Well said.

[danadigital]

my opinion is that people will have their opinions. I have watched the classics, some I liked some not so much. I respect what people have to say about them but most of the time I go to or watch a movie its mainly for entertainment purposes. I will sit down and study a movie if it catches my creative eye but those movies dont often make it in my top ten.

[Luis Caffesse]

Yeah - hell, why not....becauase I'm certain everyone was sitting around saying "I wonder what Luis' top ten movies are?"

Well I won't keep you in suspense any longer.
In NO particular order:


Lawrence of Arabia
2001
Being There
Citizen Kane
Good Fellas
Raising Arizona
One, Two, Three
City Lights
Apocalypse Now
Network


At least...that's my top ten today.

Hmmm, even as I write this I see some glaring ommissions (i.e. Brazil).
But, at least those are 10 films I can watch over and over and over....

[ZFarms Productions]

for those who think a Top 10 isn't enough, i invite you to do a top 100 films of all time list. i have mine, ready to post, but i wanna see if anyone else has theirs first

[cinealma]

It's kind of a tough one because there's a big difference in what I see as my top 10 films as far as filmmaking and top 10 films as far as my favorite movies to watch.

Off the cuff, in no particular order:

Eraserhead
Raging Bull
Chinatown
Midnight Cowboy
Sunset Boulevard
Persona
8-1/2
Pulp Fiction
Alien
My Life to Live


There's probably a few hundred more.

[bosindy]

My top 20 American Films,, The 70's really was the golden age of film in my view.


The Godfather - beautiful

The Deer Hunter - heart breaking

Deliverance - horrific. (Burt Reynolds could have been one of the greats)

The Godfather II - Compelling

Cool Hand Look - cool

The Graduate - hilarious

Jaws - first ever summer block buster

Taxi Driver - dark genius

Eyes Wide Shut - my favorite Kubrick film (and I love all his films)

Apocalypse Now - brilliant use of conrad's work

[tmpafilmer25]

Some of my favorites:

-Gladiator
-It's a Wonderful Life
-Stand By Me
-The Green Mile
-The Last Samuari
-The Matrix
-Sixth Sense
-Lord of The Rings ROTK
-Back to the Future
-Office Space

And many more...

[Batutta]

Okay, there are films I think are great (Schindler's List), and then there are films I know I'll watch repeatedly before I die. They are--

The Empire Strikes Back - (The Best Star Wars Film. Period)
Godfather (Part one is perfection, I always lose interest in Part Two somewhere in the middle. The kind of film that reminds you of what can be achieved in a movie.)
Galaxy Quest (Sue me. It just makes me happy)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (I hope they don't screw up part 4)
Dr. Strangelove (Comedy doesn't come any blacker or funnier)
2001 (One of the few films that truly gets better every time I watch it. Hated it as a kid, when I wanted literal storytelling, now I just let its brilliant imagery seep into my pores. In 70mm it's a religious experience.)
Aliens (Cameron's only masterpiece)
Goodfellas (Taxi Driver touches me more profoundly, but this one's more entertaining. )
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Not perfect all the way through, but hugely satifsfying. The only extended edition I like is of part one, which fleshed out the Aragon / Boromir relationship fully and made some of the action more coherent. The 2 and 3 extended editions are full of repetitive and redundant scenes.)
The Matrix (the sequels really tarnished its luster, but the first one is still great.)

[DeSica]

More than 10 but who cares !! :o)
In no particular order and all n°1 in my heart. Depending the moment and the mood.
[quote] 1 - Black cat/white cat (kusturica)This was a really good film. Nice pick.

1 - Blade runnerExcellent movie. Director's cut benefits from lack of voice over and is actually five minutes shorter.

1 - Die hard 1Another good one. They should have quit with the first one.

1 - 12 angry menAmazing drama. Some of the best actors ever all on one set in basically one room.

1 - GattacaNice.

1 - The Good, The Bad, The EvilI used to go to school late for english because I was watching this every morning in highschool. My english teacher was my drama teacher, so he didn't mind so much.

1 - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (Terry Gilliam is a genius)Huge fan of this film. Depp was great.

1 - 12 monkeysAlso good.

1 - Leon - The professionalOwn it. Love it. Cost me over 50 bucks to buy it.

1 - 7 samouraisClassic.

1 - Oldboy Genius. I have turned some people on to this little known gem, as well as the first 'Vengence' film. Have you seen the third one?


"Citizen kane" is overrated imo, I prefer much more "touch of evil" and not only for the opening shot.Heston could give some great performances in the hands of the right director. It was cool how you could see the difference between a seasoned actor and a hack when Chuck replaced Ted Turner in that scene from Wayne's World 2.

Nice picks.

[AloysiusK]

Luis,

Nice pick with Being There. Hal Ashby was a beautiful person. Coming Home and Harold & Maude are also classics.

[J.R. Hudson]

I started watching Citizen Kane (Had to crash at 11:30 pm last night and only about 00:00:40 some odd minutes into it

WOW

What have I been missing by putting off watching this film ? Wow. What starts out with a mocku news story (in grand 1940's fashion) turns into serious visual langauge

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident

The framing on every shot is perfect. The lighting is stunning.

The movement of the camera itself is awe-inspiring. The dolly's, the pushes, the pulls, the cranes that blend into windows (De Palma uses this extensively), ramping effects, lighting using light and dark ...

The entire sequence of the reporters, in the screening room. We never see their faces; brilliant ...

I'm being enlightened

Whomever said it was crap I bet has NEVER seen it; otherwiase, they have no taste. How can one like todays master's but not this film ?

It is already evident inside 45 Mintues where our greats have been schooled.

Wow

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.

[Erik Olson]

John,

Paste those observations here (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=85801)?

e

[Mark Harris]

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident
...
It is already evident inside 45 Mintues where our greats have been schooled.

Thelma Schoonmaker (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0774817/) said in an interview that when she and Scorsese are working on something, they always have TCM on in the background and Marty will stop every now and then to say: "Oh my god, look at that shot," or "What a great performance."

It's true, Spielberg too worships filmmakers of that time.

[pest22o]

1. Cinema Paradiso
2. Leon: The professional
3. Lord Of the Rings (consider it all one movie)
4. Momento
5. Fight Club
6. City of God
7. Talk to Her
8. Amorres Perros
9. Passion of the Christ
10. Legends of the Falls

I didnt mention Casablanca or Citizen Kane or Gone with the wind only because I'm not that old and for there time those movies were great but now they wouldnt be all that.

[krestofre]

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident

And Welles made it when he was twenty-four.

You know what I did when I was twenty-four?

Exactly.

[Batutta]

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.

Yes, DEEP, DEEP focus...Take note you shallow DOF whores.

[ifownlee41nite@mac.com]

"GLITTER". lol, Just kidding.

Note: Not in order from favorite to least, just a general list of my favorite movies.

1.Snatch
2.Training Day
3.Brave Heart
4.Cat on the hot tin roof
5.Shawshank Redemption
6.Blackboard Jungle
7.300
8.X
9.Sin City
10.Sexy Beast



If I had an 11th pick it would be The Breakfast Club. I don't know why it just would be.


And if there were a thread on music themed movies I would have to go with Purple Rain as #1. The soundtrack was incredible and the performances were mind blowing.

[ifownlee41nite@mac.com]

I started watching Citizen Kane (Had to crash at 11:30 pm last night and only about 00:00:40 some odd minutes into it

WOW

What have I been missing by putting off watching this film ? Wow. What starts out with a mocku news story (in grand 1940's fashion) turns into serious visual langauge

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident

The framing on every shot is perfect. The lighting is stunning.

The movement of the camera itself is awe-inspiring. The dolly's, the pushes, the pulls, the cranes that blend into windows (De Palma uses this extensively), ramping effects, lighting using light and dark ...

The entire sequence of the reporters, in the screening room. We never see their faces; brilliant ...

I'm being enlightened

Whomever said it was crap I bet has NEVER seen it; otherwiase, they have no taste. How can one like todays master's but not this film ?

It is already evident inside 45 Mintues where our greats have been schooled.

Wow

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.

I saw it when I was too young to appreciate it. I recently found a copy in a video trader store. I am planning to revisit it. I look forward to viewing what you mentioned.

[bosindy]

I started watching Citizen Kane (Had to crash at 11:30 pm last night and only about 00:00:40 some odd minutes into it

WOW

What have I been missing by putting off watching this film ? Wow. What starts out with a mocku news story (in grand 1940's fashion) turns into serious visual langauge

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident

The framing on every shot is perfect. The lighting is stunning.

The movement of the camera itself is awe-inspiring. The dolly's, the pushes, the pulls, the cranes that blend into windows (De Palma uses this extensively), ramping effects, lighting using light and dark ...

The entire sequence of the reporters, in the screening room. We never see their faces; brilliant ...

I'm being enlightened

Whomever said it was crap I bet has NEVER seen it; otherwiase, they have no taste. How can one like todays master's but not this film ?

It is already evident inside 45 Mintues where our greats have been schooled.

Wow

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.

The really amazing thing about the film is that most agree Welles was lampooning William Randolph Hearst in the film (something welles denied later in life). Welles hated Hearst (yellow journalism, Nazi supporter.) so much so that the last words out of Kane's mouth "rosebud' was the actual word Hearst would crudely use amongst friends to describe his lover, Marion Davies, certain, eh hem, body part. Think about doing something like this back then. Incredible.

Hearst got wind of what Wells was making and began a campaign to destroy him. If you every want to see a brilliant documentary on the subject it's called "The American Experience: The Battle Over Citizen Kane" IMDB http://imdb.com/title/tt0115634/.

[Mark Harris]

That story about Marion Davies body part is apocryphal though, and considering the source is Gore Vidal WAY after the fact, I take it with a grain of salt.

Fortunately for Hearst, Welles was pretty good at destroyinig himself :)

[rsbush]

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.
Here's is a short excerpt from 'This is Orson Welles' by Orson Welles & Peter Bogdanovich on this subject.
PB: An elementary question: why did you want so much depth-of-focus?
OW: Well, in life you see everything in focus at the same time, so why not in the movies? We used split-screen sometimes, but mostly a wide angle lens, lots of juice, and stopped way the hell down. We called it "pan focus" in some idiot interview - just for the fun of it-
PB: Didn't mean anything?
OW: Of course not...

[Erik Olson]

I can think of many worse words Hearst could have used. Welles covered himself in the closing seconds of the film anyway.

e

[Batutta]

If you every want to see a brilliant documentary on the subject it's called "The American Experience: The Battle Over Citizen Kane" IMDB http://imdb.com/title/tt0115634/.

I also recommend RKO 281, which was on HBO. Liev Schrieber is an excellent Welles and the story is fascinating.

http://www.amazon.com/RKO-281-Battle-Over-Citizen/dp/0783116764/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6887286-3762312?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1187284248&sr=8-1

[rsbush]

One film that advanced the cinematic language tremendously was Abel Gance's 1927 silent 5 hr+ 'Napoleon'. It's an amazing accomplishment.

[bosindy]

Was Gore Vidal the source? He is a guy who never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Mark Harris]

yeah, that whole marion davies thing came out of a review he wrote in 1989, I think. But around that time. He was a friend of Hearst, but still...:)

[bosindy]

Tragic, I've been boring people at parties for years now with that one and I'll have to footnote it now. Still the parallels between Kane's house Xanadu and Hearst castle are undeniable.

[Mark Harris]

oh yeah, it;s all about Hearst, without a doubt. But from what I've read Hearst was nothing like the way Welles portrayed him. Not a sad and mopey guy, but actually quite fun loving and lively. He had his faults, to be sure, but Welles was out on a crusade to get him. Or more likely to make himself famous. :)

Peter Bogdonovitch just made a Hearst movie too, called the "Cat's Meow." few years back.

There was a great story about Welles when he was back in NYC with the Merc, and doing radio at the same time. He would duck out at intermission of a play to rush to the radio studio and do a part. But in order to get there fast, he hired an ambulance to run through the city, lights ablaze. :)

Also, when they were doing War of the Worlds, he would time the scary parts with the commercial breaks of OTHER stations. becauase they knew people flipped the dial. he was a very good marketer and entertainer...

[bosindy]

Yeah, a total self promoter. when I was a kid, maybe 10, my parents took me on a trip to LA. We got tickets to the Merv Griffith show and Orsen Wells was the guest. I remember being disappointed and not understanding why the Paul mason wine guy was such a big deal. My Dad said, "some day you will understand." Quite literally the understatement of the century. It was a fun interview. To tell you how long ago it was, later that week, we had tickets to the show "Gloria" starring Sally Struthers in the "all in the Family" spin off. What a strange trip it was.

We need to see Bogdonovich direct more, he is an okay actor but ...

I recently caught Henry Rollins interview Vidal on his show. I have never seen an interviewer be so effusive over his subject. Lets just say Rollins is a fan.

[DeSica]

Peter Bogdonovitch just made a Hearst movie too, called the "Cat's Meow." few years back.



Was that the one about the murder scandal on the boat...with Chaplin somehow involved? I keep meaning to see it. Was it any good?

That event might actually be part of the reason Welles had it in for Hearst. The dude had so much power to sway opinion and ruin people in print, and he could wield the same force to keep certain things out of the spotlight. Wasn't he kind of the Rupert Murdoch of that era?

[DeSica]

I started watching Citizen Kane (Had to crash at 11:30 pm last night and only about 00:00:40 some odd minutes into it

WOW

What have I been missing by putting off watching this film ? Wow. What starts out with a mocku news story (in grand 1940's fashion) turns into serious visual langauge

I am not familiar with the work of the era (sans a handful of films; mostly Universal Horror), but the influence of todays modern masters (Scorsese, De Palma, et al) is evident

The framing on every shot is perfect. The lighting is stunning.

The movement of the camera itself is awe-inspiring. The dolly's, the pushes, the pulls, the cranes that blend into windows (De Palma uses this extensively), ramping effects, lighting using light and dark ...

The entire sequence of the reporters, in the screening room. We never see their faces; brilliant ...

I'm being enlightened

Whomever said it was crap I bet has NEVER seen it; otherwiase, they have no taste. How can one like todays master's but not this film ?

It is already evident inside 45 Mintues where our greats have been schooled.

Wow

I am thinking due to the extensive use of crane and movement that the deep focus lenses they created were a neccesity and not a stylistic choice ? I'd bet on it.

Dude...what do you think we have been saying all this time?


You should watch RKO 281 after you finish with Kane. As has been stated before, it really is good...and it gives you a bit of a peek into the process, the madness on set, and how much of a jerk Welles could be at times.

Also, the makeup effect used to age Welles was considered excellent at the time. Keep in mind he was only 27 or so at the time.

Congrats on making the effort to see the film, and remember...you can only see something for the first time once. Enjoy.

[J.R. Hudson]

John,

Paste those observations here (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=85801)?

e

Doing it now !


Thelma Schoonmaker (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0774817/) said in an interview that when she and Scorsese are working on something, they always have TCM on in the background and Marty will stop every now and then to say: "Oh my god, look at that shot," or "What a great performance."



Great story ! (Running to TCM to keep on while I'm boarding !)


And Welles made it when he was twenty-four.

You know what I did when I was twenty-four?

Exactly.
:grin::grin:


Dude...what do you think we have been saying all this time?


You should watch RKO 281 after you finish with Kane. As has been stated before, it really is good...and it gives you a bit of a peek into the process, the madness on set, and how much of a jerk Welles could be at times.

Also, the makeup effect used to age Welles was considered excellent at the time. Keep in mind he was only 27 or so at the time.

Congrats on making the effort to see the film, and remember...you can only see something for the first time once. Enjoy.

Thanks ! I really am seeing things clearly by watching it. I'm like OMG, that's De Palma's shot ! Or, Shit, The departed did that !

[Blaine]

re: Citizen Kane...this movie was a landmark in moving cinema forward. Welles did things that hadn't been done before. For that reason alone, this movie is important. But as far as the story goes, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Touch of Evil had a great opening (tracking) scene but c'mon, Charleton Heston as a Mexican...it was a movie of its time...

[Mark Harris]

...but c'mon, Charleton Heston as a Mexican...it was a movie of its time...

Dude, seriously, Charleton Heston as ANYTHING?

That man single-handedly set acting back 100 years. :)

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Why is it that Citizen Kane hijacks every thread? :(

[DeSica]

Dude, seriously, Charleton Heston as ANYTHING?

That man single-handedly set acting back 100 years. :)

Even as himself in Bowling For Columbine, I thought he was a bit heavy handed.

Wayne's World 2 may very well be his finest performance.

[J.R. Hudson]

I love Heston

[Billy Pilgrim]

I love Heston

http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/photos/planet_of_the_apes_02.jpg

So does she

(I would have pasted Hudson's face in if I had the right photo)

[RJS]

As far as Charleton Heston (anyone ever see him on Space Ghost?) being a mexican, I guess I've always been able to easily "suspend disbelief" as long as the story and acting are there. One of my favorite films is "Suture" about identical twins one of which is played by a white guy and one played by a black guy(Dennis Haysbert), not only does it play with our ideas of perception it also is a study of black and white photography.

RJS

[Mark Harris]

Wait for it. Wait for it. At 2:12 the scene-chewing really kicks into high gear :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw6Jne0tAQ

[J.R. Hudson]

http://www.karatethejapaneseway.com/photos/planet_of_the_apes_02.jpg

So does she

(I would have pasted Hudson's face in if I had the right photo)

lol lo lol :2vrolijk_08:

[StefanHaynes]

Well, may as well contribute as well...

(in no particular order)

- La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc
- Aguirre, der Zorn Gottes
- Fitzcarraldo
- M
- Sullivan's Travels
- Spider
- Wild at Heart/Mullholland DR. (tied for a spot in the list)
- Crash 1996 (AKA the good one)
- Short Cuts
- Sleuth


You'll notice, mostly grounded in the modern cinema. Probably my two biggest writing/directing influences come from the David Lynch/Cronenberg schools, and therefore are listed in my favorites. While both have had their fare share of problem films (Blue Velvet and eXistenZ, respectively), they are still brilliant directors. I adore many, many more films, these are just my favorites, and, as I said, biggest influences.

[StefanHaynes]

re: Citizen Kane...this movie was a landmark in moving cinema forward. Welles did things that hadn't been done before. For that reason alone, this movie is important. But as far as the story goes, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Touch of Evil had a great opening (tracking) scene but c'mon, Charleton Heston as a Mexican...it was a movie of its time...
Just out of curiosity... WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?

Just wondering, 'tis all (as I'd like some for myself).