Vegas 8 Pro at IBC Next month

[DVXSanDiego]

So looks like the new version is at IBC:

Adjoining the main Sony showcase and the Professional Services stand 9.130, Sony Creative Software will unveil its Vegas Pro 8® video and audio production suite on stand 9.131. The Vegas Pro 8® suite features a robust XDCAM HD workflow, comprehensive HDV support, import and edit support for the Sony AVCHD format and many new features to increase productivity and enhance output quality. Also being shown are DVD Architect 4.5, which is included in the Vegas Pro 8® suite, Cinescore software for instant soundtrack creation and the Sound Forge 9 audio production suite with new multi-channel recording and editing capabilities.

Looking forward to more info...
...and here's the link:

http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/ShowContent.action?site=biz_en_GB&contentId=1184310547102

[Drew Ott]

I'm also looking forward to more info.

Hopefully it will integrate in more dual-core support.

[DammitJanet]

...comprehensive HDV support,...

Think we'll be able to edit m2t's without converting to Cineform now?

[Drew Ott]

Think we'll be able to edit m2t's without converting to Cineform now?

I doubt it. I think Sony and Cineform have some kind of deal. They'll probably just have better-integrated Cineform support.

I also really hope we can print to tape with 24f HDV footage.

[DammitJanet]

We can't already do that? Hmm...I guess that explains why nothing was showing up when I tried to play it back on my hdtv via component cable. The sound was there, but there was no picture. It did print footage to the tape, but it was 24f...interesting.

[Drew Ott]

We can't already do that? Hmm...I guess that explains why nothing was showing up when I tried to play it back on my hdtv via component cable. The sound was there, but there was no picture. It did print footage to the tape, but it was 24f...interesting.

I've actually never tried to be honest.

Was it HDV footage that you printed?

I just heard you couldn't so I've never tried.

[DammitJanet]

I can't remember for sure right off hand what format it was...I think I converted it to Cineform avi first, and then tried to print to tape, at full 1080 resolution. Maybe I should have rendered out as an m2t first? I'd be willing to give this a try if you're interested in having the theory tested.

[spunkme99]

i really hope Sony makes some big strides with this Vegas update, bc final cut studio 2 has been catching my eye... when it comes to the fundamental stuff, to me: vegas wins; it's just those extra bells and whistles that's lacking

i'm finding myself having to come up with excuses NOT to go with a mac and final cut because i'm such a huge fan of how Vegas does everything. But i got a big project coming up and will be spending big bucks (to me) on a new system, Sony has to show me that they are worth it.

be looking forward to IBC...

[24Peter]

Think we'll be able to edit m2t's without converting to Cineform now?

Are you guys serious? I edit .m2t's all the time in Vegas 7. No problem.

[DammitJanet]

Are you guys serious? I edit .m2t's all the time in Vegas 7. No problem.

We can't all afford supercomputers. :happy:

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>We can't all afford supercomputers. :happy:

For better HDV editing you need a non-Celeron class CPU that was released after 2004. I don't think that this constitutes as a super computer in this day and age. Instead, what you really need is a lot of RAM. At least 2 GB of RAM for HDV editing and at least 1 GB for plain DV.

Regarding editing .m2t directly, yes it is already supported, I used it on Vegas 7 and Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 7 and 8. It's been there for a while.

[DammitJanet]

I'm not saying it's not supported. It just doesn't work that well for me. And with a 3.0ghz P4 cpu and 2 GB of ram, I can't imagine why m2t's don't run more smoothly for me. I mean, they can be edited and everything. I just can't get a decent realtime playback even on the crappiest setting, so I use Cineform.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

I have a 3 Ghz Hyperthreaded P4 myself (with 3 GBs of RAM), and I don't have realtime at 100% playback smoothness either. This is normal for Vegas (I recognize that it works smoothly on some other editors). But it works well enough when using the "Preview" quality in the preview window.

[DammitJanet]

To each their own, I guess.

[Barry_Green]

a robust XDCAM HD workflow, comprehensive HDV support, import and edit support for the Sony AVCHD format

Yeah, but is there anything for those of us who happen to work with products made by anybody *but* Sony? Program's going more and more proprietary; AVC-HD is a multi-manufacturer standard (Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Sharp, Samsung, etc) but if you use a camera from any manufacturer *other* than Sony, Vegas can't edit it. XDCAM-HD is a Sony-proprietary format, etc... I used to be the biggest Vegas fan in the world, and now I find myself completely disinterested in the product because of the proprietary bend it's taken.

Well, we'll see.

[killfilm]

hey barry, same here, i raved and advertised to friends so much about vegas, but these days i dont mention it much. i still use it extensively for dv productions especially with the 24pa, and ease of use. but for feature length productions that require more, i might invest in a 5 thousand dollar mac along with FCS 2

[spunkme99]

Like I said, i'm in the same boat. XDCAM means nothing to me, the questions I need answers to are will vegas handle 24F like it did 24p? Will Vegas 8 really be anything more than just a minor update? If I'm going to spend a fortune on a new workstation, why should I stick with Vegas?

It's perplexing the approach Sony is taking. Apple's doing their best to satisfy their base and appeal to newcomers. Adobe is coming out swinging this year wanting to appeal to EVERYBODY who works with video. Sony is coming out wanting to appeal to everybody...who shoots with Sony products. I'm going to buy a Canon, what's the message Sony is sending me?

...And that sad little booth at NAB, it's not adding up. What are they thinking over there?

------ after thinking about it, i don't want to jump to conclusions. But those are my immediate thoughts after reading that press release.

[killfilm]

for years, sony has been sony, i wish it used to be the way it was with sonic foundry, they listened to the user base and implemented the requests,
sony does that too but ONLY if it benefits their own formats.

Way to ruin a f#$%@n awesome program, sorry for ranting:furious3:

[Drew Ott]

I also want an application that is similar to FCP's Color.

That app looks awesome.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

What more Color does than Vegas' existing filters plus Aav6cc?

[spunkme99]

Yeah, I don't mean to rant either.

It's like, a separation anxiety. Don't take my Vegas away from me!:crybaby:

[blckhawk542]

Vegas is alot easier to use..I just don't like the fact they make it practically impossible for people to edit footage...their stupid specifications.

...I mean I love Vegas..but I hate the restrictions.....Sonic Foundry should have never sold it...it would be the next FCP if Sony didn't own it and restrict it like woah.

[Drew Ott]

Vegas is alot easier to use..I just don't like the fact they make it practically impossible for people to edit footage...their stupid specifications.



What do you mean? Any examples?

[spunkme99]

what i've had trouble with is capturing from a VCR or a DVD player with Vegas, it just doesn't work. Running it through a camera, to the PC, I get a timecode error with the VCR, and feedback with the DVD player. Try through my video card and the VCR works ok, but the DVD drops frames. Have to use Ulead, with that it works. Only time I ever touch ulead...Fortunately I don't need to capture VHS or DVD material on a regular basis.

[blckhawk542]

What do you mean? Any examples?


Well for one...I can't import files that have H.264 encoding on it..I get errors and it doesnt import...I cant import certain MPEG-2 files if I download them from somewhere because there's a plugin or something like that I need to get and pay for to import them.

I also can't import AC-3 audio lets say if someone mixed a surround project and wanted to send it to me already mixed in the AC-3 codec...I can't import it...even if I set my project audio settings to surround sound. But that might have more specifics as to why it doesn't work.maybe because of different programs or whatever. But if I rendered out AC-3 audio from Vegas directly and needed to import it back in, it says it can't and shuts down Vegas.

[David Jimerson]

Well, to be fair, on the AC-3 thing, it's a licensing issue. No other NLE can do it, either.

As for other codecs, yes, Sony is pretty much locking it up in Sony tower.

[Mark Dog]

will you be bale to do a 24 pulldown in vegas 8 on the canon hv20 you think daivd ????????????

[blckhawk542]

Vegas already supports 24p pulldown removal...automatically. It should tell you in the Clip Properties when you right click on it on the timeline.

[David Jimerson]

Doesn't work with the HV20's material.

Mark, don't bet on it.

[doumm]

I'm only new to Vegas, I bought it for its cost performance ratio, I also had the videoguys offer with 3 training DVDs and SoundForge 8.0 for like $700 Aust. Nothing can touch that!
But like you, one wants to see a good product only get better and have a long life ahead of it. Maybe the dice have already been rolled and Vegas 8.0 is already in alpha or gold stage. If thats so, then surely extra codec/camera support is just a patch issue?
Can we as the professional community which this product should be catering to start a web petition or something to get these different sore points fixed?
Otherwise as the saying goes, if a tree falls in the forrest, and you didn't hear it or see it, did it ever fall?

[David Jimerson]

Sony has a suggestions entry page at http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/productsuggestion.asp. (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/productsuggestion.asp)

But the problem isn't that they're not aware of the concerns.

[blckhawk542]

...they just want you to have everything Sony...so they restrict you like woah.

[gumtree]

I've been with vegas for a few years now and am also having the same thoughts. I love the NLE but am certainly tempted by FCP's seemingly better codecs. Am I right to think this?

[David Jimerson]

Not yet. If Sony finally does lock everything out except Sony products, then maybe, but as of now, I still think Vegas, especially using Raylight, handles various types of footage better.

The reason for this is that Vegas's timeline is truly format-agnostic; you can drop (almost) anything on it and Vegas will play it in its native codec without having to re-render it to fit the timeline.

FCP 6 has improved FCP's ability to do this -- you don't need to wait to convert your footage to the timeline's properties -- but instead of playing the footage natively, it does a realtime, on-the-fly conversion as it plays back. How well this works is entirely dependent on the strength of your hardware.

[TheMacB]

I hope Vegas 8 doesn't hate Vista as much as i do.

[AdvanTech]

from https://cc.its.maine.edu/~maine/cart/look.php?item_id=4053463 (https://cc.its.maine.edu/%7Emaine/cart/look.php?item_id=4053463:)

Now includes: Interactive Tutorials: Show Me How tutorials that provide walk-through demos of common features and functions- all while you re working in your project. ProType Titler: Huge enhancement to our titling capabilities. You can create custom titles, animated texts, unique credit rolls and much, much more. New Mixing Console: You asked - we delivered. The new mixing console utilizes a traditional mixing board set up to allow users to visually see all audio signals in a particular project. Multi-Cam Workflow: Film your productions with multiple cameras and edit them quickly and easily as you watch each shot during the editing process up to 32 different video sources.

[William_Robinette]

from https://cc.its.maine.edu/~maine/cart/look.php?item_id=4053463:
The new mixing console utilizes a traditional mixing board set up to allow users to visually see all audio signals in a particular project.

That will be most welcome!

[JRAnderson]

Link doesn't work...

Ok, figured it out...just drop the colon at the end...

[bvalente]

I've been beta testing Vegas 8 for the past x weeks (I forget :) ) and while I can't talk about the specifics I think you'll all be quite pleasantly surprised.

To me it's a much more significant upgrade from 7 to 8 than from 6 to 7


Cheers

Brian

[mik303]

I'm an HVX200 user. If Sony rolls out support for the 720/24PN mode, I'll be happy. I understand that Raylight takes care of this problem, but if I don't have to spend the extra cash for Raylight, that would be nice.

I've been editing a feature on Avid Xpress, and it's just not as intuitive as Vegas, especially on the audio side.