My new 16GB p2 is GODLY..

[Crazy_Ideas]

:grin:After having the FS-100 and it's limitations,:grin: ie. no over/under cranking etc.. etc. etc... I now have the new 16GB P2, I did the firmware updae flawlessly in one try, and now playing with my new capabilities, just knowing that hi-capacity card is in there and my camera functions different that before is awesome.. I LOVE IT!

Long Live P2:grin:

[HoGiHung]

Congrats! I finally received a call, and follow confirmation email, that my 200 is on its way. Unfortunately, my 16GB P2 card is still on back order.

I'll take the P2 card wait time and start learning the camera.

Ho...

[FilmBoy77]

funny title, lol. where did you get your 16GB p2 card and how much was it?

[Crazy_Ideas]

I found one on Ebay, a guy bought 2 of them, but then got a set back on buying an HVX200 so he put the cards on Ebay for a $850 each buy-it-now, I bought one and the other whent just as fast.. Excellent buy, it was brand new in box!

I got lucky!

On my Ebay Watched Items, a 16GB P2 last week went for $1250!!!!!! And a 8GB P2 went for $900---!!! People are going CRAZY to get them, its insane, I would never pay that, I have patients myself..

[ProjX v2.0]

:grin:After having the FS-100 and it's limitations,:grin: ie. no over/under cranking etc.. etc. etc...

I thought this was all solved with the FS-100 v3.0 Firmware update? What other limitations are you talking about?

[Barry_Green]

FS-100 with 3.0 has lots of limitations -- no ability to record & play back overcrank/undercrank, no audio playback if you record in PN modes, no metadata, no thumbnail playback of clips, all sorts of things. The FS-100 does one thing better than P2, which is larger capacities. But when P2 capacities grow to become "big enough", the whole hard-disk-recording thing is likely to disappear.

[Kholi]

3 x 8 Gigs = No need for Firestore already.

Offload-while-shooting Cycle. Low Offload times. And just small enough to archive on cheap Dual Layer DVDs.

Winrar.

[Crazy_Ideas]

AMEN Barry on those Limitations! Seems like theres more but I cant think of them, seems like everytime you want to use the HVX200 to the fullest, POW! Another FS-100 Limitation!

Now with the P2, when I hit the record bitton, INSTANTANEOUS FRAME RECORDING, soooo cooool!

And I LOVE the playback on the camera itself! It seems so smooth and perfect! I love the thumb nail images too

[RE1000]

Panny must've shipped out some 16gb's early this week, I got my 16gb P2 on the way! And one of the other stores I was on a pre order list called me yesterday too, to see if I still wanted one. I was so tempted to buy another!

[FilmBoy77]

what's the market price on these 16gb's?

[RE1000]

what's the market price on these 16gb's?
$850-$900

[oneinfiniteloop]

FS-100 with 3.0 has lots of limitations -- no ability to record & play back overcrank/undercrank

I thought you were able to do this with 3.0? We tried the other night and it seemed to work, although it wasn't native and we had to conform it in AE. Maybe I mis-read something?

[Barry_Green]

No, you didn't miss anything -- you *have* to conform it in post. The P2 cards don't make you do that.

So if you're in the field shooting a shot, you play it back from the cards and you see the effect immediately. You know right then and there what your final shot looks like.

With the FS-100 that workflow isn't possible. You have to import the footage into a computer before you can see the VFR effect and know what your shot really looks like.

That may change in a forthcoming firmware revision; that's why I said that in 3.0 it doesn't have that capability.

You can record VFR footage in 3.0, but you cannot see the effect in-camera.

(which brings up another limitation too -- in v3.0, FS-100 has no space savings when recording VFR; if you shoot at anything other than 24/25/30, it gives you "over 60" recording only. On the P2 cards, shooting at 12fps gives you 5x as much recording space, on the FS-100 v3.0 shooting at 12fps gives you the same amount of recording space as shooting 60fps would).

[David Saraceno]

MAP is $900.00

[MikeWilkinson]

I've had my 16GB (rebate) for about a month now, after having just the FS100. To be able to watch your slow-mo back is RIDICULOUSLY SWEET. When you spend an hour prepping one :15 dolly shot, you really want to be able to check it out and make sure you got it right.

I've been thinking about selling my FS100 and with the money getting a cheap MB and another P2 card, while I can still get a decent buck for the FS100.

[Crazy_Ideas]

I sold my brand new FS-100 two weeks ago that i paid $1750 for only 2 months ago and I got only $1220 for it, ever since the 16GB P2's came out the value for an FS-100 on Ebay has dropped FAST, before the 16GB came out you could re-sell your FS-100 and get almost full value ($1650-1750) as the 16 GB P2 cards are available more steadily, I see the re-sale price of the FS-100 sinking further, thats another huge reason I dumped mine on the market like stocks, SELL SHORT THE FS-100!!!...

[Justyn]

Surprised that FS people aren't fervently on here defending it. I had one experience with it.. and it was HORRIBLE. Was one of the first versions but we had corrupted files and it stopped working and you only get one chance to make a first impression and they made a bad one. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't down to a grand soon enough. Now, if they make a solid-state harddrive version then might be something. I can't wait for all HD to be that way

[THoff]

Now, if they make a solid-state harddrive version then might be something. I can't wait for all HD to be that wayUsing different media doesn't make the FS-100 any more attractive to me.

The shortcomings that I see in their product have more to do with the somewhat unreliable connection with the camera and inferior integration when compared to shooting on P2 cards. Shooting on flash memory wouldn't improve this at all and only raise the cost.

[Justyn]

right. Well this is why they never released the cineporter either. Kind of like the buggy whip.. cars come out no need for horses so bye bye to the whip to drive it all along.


The only question and the one that I am really hesistant about going onto the 16gigers is archival and backup. Until blue ray is out and affordable leaving files on HD seems shaky to me. Now I just back up to DVD. it's clean easy and cheap.. what are the alternatives for 16 gig without breaking up into quicktime files or something else.. but keeping the MXF will be tough

[THoff]

The Cineporter would not have had the limitations of the FS-100 -- it would have used a far more robust connection, and it would have allowed the use of all of the things that make P2 cool, like PN recording (supported with the V3 FS-100 firmware), VFR recording, format agnostic recording, clip manipulation from the camera, clip playback with audio and seek capability, the ability to configure all recording options on a single device and through one menu etc.

[RE1000]

right. Well this is why they never released the cineporter either. Kind of like the buggy whip.. cars come out no need for horses so bye bye to the whip to drive it all along.


The only question and the one that I am really hesistant about going onto the 16gigers is archival and backup. Until blue ray is out and affordable leaving files on HD seems shaky to me. Now I just back up to DVD. it's clean easy and cheap.. what are the alternatives for 16 gig without breaking up into quicktime files or something else.. but keeping the MXF will be tough

Buy an external backup drive. Keep your MXF files and quicktime files on your editing drive, and put it also on an external backup drive. (i got a usb 2.0 500gb WD MyBook, just for computer backups, for like $130 from newegg)

[Tedbotic]

just as a heads up, Zacuto just recieved a shipment of 16gb P2 cards on wednesday, I picked up 2 for myself. Not sure how many they recieved but you should give them a call, Becky was extremely helpful and called me as soon as they became available.

[Barry_Green]

For those who are waiting on cards, now seems like a good time to pounce. VideoScope has 30 in stock (or did earlier today); Zacuto has some, etc. Call around, hopefully the drought is over!

[Denada Chile]

Sorry but for me the FS100 works more than fine...it's such an amazing device and you dont need a Computer on set also...true you cant play back over and under crank...but still with three 16Gb cards you just can't get closer to it's storaging capacity (100Gb)...also for the price of 11/2 cards can buy 3 times capacity...and you record directly to .mov files (imposible to do with cards) and don't need the "ingesting" process, you can edit directly from there!!...
so, where's the disadvantage?

[THoff]

IMHO, recording capacity (and possibly the need not to offload to another device like a P2 Store or laptop) is the only advantage that the FS-100 has.

Aside from that, it has only disadvantages: poor integration with the camera, an unreliable connection, the need for another type of battery as well as a battery that doesn't last for the full recording capacity, and moving parts.

Even recording directly to QuickTime has tradeoffs in that you don't get the P2 metadata.

[Sprocketboy]

Ordered (2) 16GB cards last week from Abel CineTech in NY and received the cards already. They told me a shipment of 100 cards just arrived. The cards are definitely more available.

[Justyn]

Sorry but for me the FS100 works more than fine...it's such an amazing device and you dont need a Computer on set also...true you cant play back over and under crank...but still with three 16Gb cards you just can't get closer to it's storaging capacity (100Gb)...also for the price of 11/2 cards can buy 3 times capacity...and you record directly to .mov files (imposible to do with cards) and don't need the "ingesting" process, you can edit directly from there!!...
so, where's the disadvantage?


There's an elegance to the P2.. the other is like a brick and it'll bounce like one if it's banged or bumped... but as someone says, it has moving parts and is liable to crap out. I just had one bad experience with it.. and that's enough to never make it seem rock solid...

Besides, with 2 16 gig cards along with the cards I already have. I can use the P2store to import and could write a good solid 500 gig worth of data to the cheap drive.... but again there's still an archival issue. I don't want to keep things on HD for years and years and years. Disks seems so much more practicle but that's not gonna happen... and the rub is that the HD disks don't cost much more to produce than standard DVDs.. but of course they want to rape the consumer out of as much dough as possible.

[RE1000]

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/16gbP2Skatefairy.jpg

I've only used it in the house, i'm gonna use it in "the real world" tomorrow, can't wait.

[ProjX v2.0]

Just found another limitation to the FS-100:

Even with a brand new, fully charged battery, I cannot offload and dump the FS-100 to my laptop unless the FS-100 is plugged into a power outlet. I guess the FS battery isn't powerful enough to maintain the firewire connection to my Dell laptop? It connects and detects the drive but then quickly disappears and I lose the connection unless I physically plug it in with the power adapter.

On another note, is it possible to offload a P2 card onto an FS-100? Could it double as a mobile P2 dump?

[Luis Caffesse]

Just found another limitation to the FS-100:

Even with a brand new, fully charged battery, I cannot offload and dump the FS-100 to my laptop unless the FS-100 is plugged into a power outlet. I guess the FS battery isn't powerful enough to maintain the firewire connection to my Dell laptop? It connects and detects the drive but then quickly disappears and I lose the connection unless I physically plug it in with the power adapter.

That's very strange.
I shoot with an FS-100 and have never had a problem connecting it to a mac laptop to dump the footage, same with my desktop at home - and I've never had to plug the FS-100 in to dump the footage. I've always gone off the Firestore battery (unless of course the battery wasn't charged at all).

I think you might have something else going on there ProjX.

[Crazy_Ideas]

Now that I want to copy my new files to my computer (w/ Windows XP Pro) can I use firewire or do I need to use a USB 2.0 cable?

[THoff]

Panasonic only supports USB connections for P2 offloading under Windows.

[drivinhard]

Still waiting on ours (ordered from BH last month) :kali:

[Crazy_Ideas]

P2 viewer has an insanely easy interface, love it!

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Just ordered mine from Zacuto. :D

[ProjX v2.0]

That's very strange.
I shoot with an FS-100 and have never had a problem connecting it to a mac laptop to dump the footage, same with my desktop at home - and I've never had to plug the FS-100 in to dump the footage. I've always gone off the Firestore battery (unless of course the battery wasn't charged at all).

I think you might have something else going on there ProjX.

I think this has to do with the Firewire connection not being 100% reliable for PC/Windows. It's only 100% guaranteed on Mac computers. I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere in a manual.

[ProfessorU]

I had a p2 order in at b&h too. I called abel cine tech and cancelled my b&h order. ACT has them in stock and $125 less. :)

[mbrand]

anyone know who has P2 cards in stock? I need a couple more for a trip.

thanks,
Mike B

[NYMills]

I use the FS100 and P2 cards without any trouble. They both have their place and purpose. I've had longer shoots where the action or interview could not be interrupted and the FS is wonderful. The P2 gives me some creative freedom for OC/UC. I've never had any trouble with my FS and I've done some busy run & gun. Do I like the P2 more? Yes, less weight. And we'll get more in stock.

But, as a FS user I'll stick up for them. They've made me some great money and produced very nice footage.