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fstof
07-27-2007, 02:14 AM
Last night I was privileged to be on the set of the new Toyota Auris to be launched soon here in South Africa.
They were using a Panavision Genesis, I must say, it is quit a beast.

I know the Genesis was used in Superman and Scary movie4, Casino Royal. Now I was wondering how would the Red One compare to the Genesis, the specs are more or less the same, but I was wondering at the end of the day which one would you choose.

Frans

RyanBellaCine
07-27-2007, 07:19 AM
well you can buy a RED one for around 17,000. I don't know how much a day rate goes for the Genesis. Of course Panavision never sells their cameras. So if you want to own the camera, well that narrows it down for you. Even if you didn't, it may just be cheaper to own a RED one then to rent a Genesis for a production. (just guessing however)

With money no object, I'd use either one. The Genesis makes you feel like your shooting a Hollywood production. The RED One has the Indi persona to it due to its design and size.

GaryinCalifornia
07-27-2007, 07:51 AM
Now I was wondering how would the Red One compare to the Genesis, the specs are more or less the same, but I was wondering at the end of the day which one would you choose. Frans

The one you can shoot with today...

Also why is this myth that the Red only costs $17,500k... still thrown around...

That is for the body only...

I believe the package I added up yesterday on the Red... body, Red Primes, viewfinder, lcd, charger, 5 bricks, 3 hard drives... and I know I'm missing something... oh the $2,750 package... but in the end it costs about $50k...

And that's not a bad price... in truth once the camera hits the market and its fully working as a release model... that's a great price... good image and FCP workflow...

So really by the time you've done three features... the camera has paid for itself... and lets say for example every 5 years you have to even spend $5,000 for an upgrade that's $1,000 a year to have the latest specs out there... again... not a bad deal.... of course maybe a little bit more than that as newer recording devices will come along... like the six million dollar man... cheaper... stronger... faster...

LuckyStudio 13
07-27-2007, 11:23 AM
Most non pro will use nikon primes/zoom and record to express or cf card. total be around $27k complete.

GaryinCalifornia
07-27-2007, 11:47 AM
Most non pro will use nikon primes/zoom and record to express or cf card. total be around $27k complete.

Just a question... if your not a pro... why spend $27k on a camera...

Erik Olson
07-27-2007, 12:31 PM
Good point. RED One is, at minimum, a $35k camera system. If you're a professional that rents the package or is using it for feature or commercial work, your package will end up closer to $50k.

By camera standards, and for what you get, it is an amazing value. But please, please... stop calling RED a $17.5k camera.


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LuckyStudio 13
07-28-2007, 10:02 AM
because a lot of people are hoping to go pro, starting out by producing quality feature length indie shorts.

mrWr0ng
07-28-2007, 12:17 PM
you don't need a 25k camera to poduce quality shorts or features. all you need is talent.

people think the camera replaces talent. it never will

LuckyStudio 13
07-28-2007, 01:36 PM
camera will not replace talent but camera will greatly supplement talent/or lack of it. Red one is truly revolutionary and will change the industry as did the Panasonic dvx100.

Jg Marceaux BestBetter
07-28-2007, 01:40 PM
people think the camera replaces talent. it never will

I disagree. One day, cameras will direct the talent. :shocked:

Tom Marshall
07-28-2007, 02:55 PM
you don't need a 25k camera to poduce quality shorts or features. all you need is talent.

people think the camera replaces talent. it never will

I agree. That's why rental houses exist.

Emanuel
07-28-2007, 04:09 PM
camera will not replace talent but camera will greatly supplement talent/or lack of it. Red one is truly revolutionary and will change the industry as did the Panasonic dvx100.LOL Indeed.

TimurCivan
07-28-2007, 04:30 PM
I spoke to someone thinking of buying a RED camera yesterday. I think its foolish to invest 35K in to a sytem unless youre client base that rents 35mm film cameras/varicam/F900 for shoots already exists.

Noone in the dv realm will spring 1k a day to rent a red, then theres the cook primes rental, the mattebox/followfocus/ media sytem raid backup.... etc. its really not suited to the small indie. Its suited to the mid level commercial production sector. Mid budget music videos, big corporate videos, TV commercials, significant budget shorts. Someone renting the red sytem also will have the money for a dp worth their salt, and, the grip package to go with it.

The HVX200/HPX500/Sony EX, sytems are whats perfect for small indies. AMAZing picture and a forgiving budget.

john818
07-28-2007, 06:43 PM
one question im sorry for changing the subject guys but do you know what csi maimi is shot on

fstof
07-30-2007, 01:49 AM
So, If money was no option, and renting was the only one would the Red still be the camera of choice,

Seeing as thou the red and genesis are pretty much evenly speced, wich has the actual better quality?

TimurCivan
07-30-2007, 02:12 AM
you need to compare footage. thats all you can do.

GaryinCalifornia
07-30-2007, 08:16 AM
you need to compare footage. thats all you can do.

And we won't know that until the Red is released to the masses..

But if you have a shoot now... you shoot with the camera you can get now...

Luis Caffesse
07-30-2007, 08:25 AM
one question im sorry for changing the subject guys but do you know what csi maimi is shot on

35mm film

Emanuel
07-30-2007, 08:53 AM
That's exactly what separates (different) water(s). RED is a 35mm acquisition device. Do not compare apples with oranges.

Hey Luis, where have you been? We miss you at reduser.