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Moseph
06-18-2007, 12:16 PM
http://www.visionresearch.com/index.cfm?sector=htm/files&page=Making_NAB_video
wow
shoots at 2048 x 1080 @ 1000 frames-per-second
http://www.visionresearch.com/uploads/images/Products/HDside_websm.gif
http://www.visionresearch.com/uploads/images/Products/HDhead_web.gif
wow
discuss.

Drew Ott
06-18-2007, 12:33 PM
Pretty sweet but I don't think it is competition for RED.

What does it run at?

edit- run at price-wise.

TimurCivan
06-18-2007, 02:11 PM
thats not competition to RED. its competition ot high speed film cameras. though i'd rather have a 2k camera with 1000 FPS capability than a 4k cmaera with only 60 FPS. i really like super redicoulously slomotion.

ryan brown
06-18-2007, 02:13 PM
thats not competition to RED. its competition ot high speed film cameras. though i'd rather have a 2k camera with 1000 FPS capability than a 4k cmaera with only 60 FPS. i really like super redicoulously slomotion.

Yup, yup, yup... and... me too.

I wanna see the short they produced.

Jared Meyer
06-18-2007, 02:16 PM
The whole Phantom HD short is right here: http://www.visionresearch.com/index.cfm?sector=htm/files&page=NAB_videos

unless you meant the RED short...

Matty_g
06-18-2007, 02:44 PM
Now THAT is a demo.

Capt Quirk
06-18-2007, 02:46 PM
Here's the Phantom's site, if anyone is interested-
http://www.visionresearch.com/index.cfm?sector=htm/files&page=camera_HD_new

Which one of you brave lads is going to request a quote?

strancali
06-18-2007, 03:10 PM
wow what a demo. You guys know what it's going for?

Moseph
06-18-2007, 04:10 PM
im pretty sure it uses a similar sensor; super 35 sized.

TimurCivan
06-18-2007, 04:24 PM
well the big pixels would make its neccesity for light easier to deal with.

KyleProhaska
06-18-2007, 04:24 PM
Dang, that thing is amazing.

- Kyle

Rick Meyer
06-18-2007, 05:26 PM
thats not competition to RED. its competition ot high speed film cameras. though i'd rather have a 2k camera with 1000 FPS capability than a 4k cmaera with only 60 FPS. i really like super redicoulously slomotion.

Im not sure why that isnt RED competition? Is it because its not 4K?

scharky
06-18-2007, 05:30 PM
Not at all, it's not RED competition because Phantom cameras cost way more than 17,00 USD, that is unless this is something new and they are releasing it at competative pricing.

Cheesesailor77
06-18-2007, 06:14 PM
I don't know the price, but it's over $100k. I've heard closer to $200k, but no confirmation on that. I'm not regretting my RED deposit yet, although that demo was BAD ASS!

craigbowman
06-18-2007, 07:07 PM
The stake is in the ground. The gauntlet has been thrown down.

Let anyone and everyone try to compete with Red. They will have to match or beat Red's pricing and match or beat its technology at the same time. Its all a win win for us independants. Thats the beauty of a disruptive technology like Red.

henry cho
06-18-2007, 08:36 PM
yeah, i think we're talking about two different beasts here. last i checked, red's variable frame rates go from 1-60fps. the phantom delivers a 2k picture with variable frame rates between 1 and 1000fps, and costs more than a house. i thought it was interesting that they had the camera on the beach with very little protection. in any case, a super demo.

pixelated
06-18-2007, 11:57 PM
Awesome demo indeed... can't wait 'till I'm that rich and that famous.. be sure not to miss the "making of the demo" link at the bottom of the page - even more fun!

ben-s
06-19-2007, 02:58 AM
A very interesting camera.
It's not really competition for RED though, - the Phantom unit a highly specialised instrument, not a general purpose camera like RED.

Also bear in mind that 2k@1000fps generates scrap very fast when you screw up :p

Chris Messineo
06-19-2007, 06:27 AM
That demo was scary good.

TimurCivan
06-19-2007, 09:14 AM
ITs not competiiton because its not the same kind of tool. The phantom is a highspeed camera. not a cinema camera.

mindzeye
06-19-2007, 09:57 AM
don't let the phantom demo fool you... the red can crank out the same quality imagery... now if the phantom is 15k... then that's another story.

Moseph
06-19-2007, 12:16 PM
ITs not competiiton because its not the same kind of tool. The phantom is a highspeed camera. not a cinema camera.
yeah, thats what i was thinking. but still, what an amazing camera.

TimurCivan
06-19-2007, 01:23 PM
Red can probaly produce better imagery, but Red cant do 1000 FPS. Different strokes. for example, in Lock stock and two smoking barrels, the machine gun sequernce. probably shot with a different camera from the main Film cam altogether. that looked like almost 750-1000 FPS.

John Godden
06-19-2007, 09:33 PM
The whole Phantom HD short is right here: http://www.visionresearch.com/index.cfm?sector=htm/files&page=NAB_videos

unless you meant the RED short...

WOW..........WOW...........WOW!!!! :thumbsup:

William_Robinette
06-19-2007, 09:39 PM
Yeah, that was crazy.

I'd still take red.

Blaine
06-19-2007, 09:43 PM
Red can probaly produce better imagery, but Red cant do 1000 FPS. Different strokes. for example, in Lock stock and two smoking barrels, the machine gun sequernce. probably shot with a different camera from the main Film cam altogether. that looked like almost 750-1000 FPS.In which case, you could shoot your movie with RED and rent the other camera to do the extreme slo-mo...

ryan brown
06-20-2007, 11:11 AM
In which case, you could shoot your movie with RED and rent the other camera to do the extreme slo-mo...

Exactly.

High speed cameras are in their own category. I think it was the winter olympics I was watching and they were using a 5000fps camera to film the skiers go by at 90mph.

Usually a specialty item rented for specific scenes (or if you're a billionaire, I guess you could pick one up, but the upkeep would still make it easier to rent).

and yeah, that short (demo) kicked arse.

-brown

futureman
06-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Unbelievable... how much does it cost?

Also, is it available now, or will it be shipping Fall 2050 like the Red?

Cheesesailor77
06-20-2007, 02:02 PM
Unbelievable... how much does it cost?

Also, is it available now, or will it be shipping Fall 2050 like the Red?

Available soon, I believe. Between $100k-200k.

BOG
06-20-2007, 02:12 PM
Its not competition for RED, because RED does not exsist yet.

TimurCivan
06-20-2007, 02:53 PM
RED does exist, trust me. :)

Erik Bien
06-20-2007, 03:01 PM
Also, didn't I read somewhere this thing actually need to be tethered to something the size of a small refrigerator for recording purposes?

futureman
06-20-2007, 03:10 PM
Red does not exist yet, and probably never will... but this camera is also in the prototype stages, and may never exist either!

William_Robinette
06-20-2007, 03:22 PM
Red does not exist yet, and probably never will... but this camera is also in the prototype stages, and may never exist either!

You bet, all those people at NAB who actually touched the cameras were really just fibbing.

davide
06-20-2007, 04:26 PM
Whenever I try to view the short I'm told that the page cannot be found. Anyone else have this problem?

davide

futureman
06-20-2007, 05:49 PM
I went to NAB, I was there and saw a large metallic camera casing... that is all, do you really think a company that makes sun glasses would be able to do what Sony, Panasonic and Canon have been unable to? Besides, Red's "tent" at NAB looked like a ride at the county fair... all flash, no substance.

As for this high speed camera... looks pretty sweet, the demo is literally jaw dropping, if it is released for 200k it will find a market with Hollywood productions, if they are aiming for a 35k price range, it will never be released!

John Godden
06-20-2007, 08:37 PM
Whenever I try to view the short I'm told that the page cannot be found. Anyone else have this problem?

davide

Yeah, it looks like the short has been removed.

Trust me, it is an amazing short. The production quality is just astounding. Hope they put it back up.

Regards
JohnG

Kholi
06-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Where's the short? No worky for me.

davide
06-21-2007, 08:10 AM
I guess there was a site error of some kind. I contacted them and it's back up now. They replied to me within 6 hours, always a plus.

davide

Jason Ramsey
06-21-2007, 08:19 AM
If'n you guys want to talk about this camera, feel free... but don't start that 'red doesn't exist... never will' garbage again... if you honestly believe that... go stick your head in the mud or something... and don't mention it to the owner of this website who happens to be shooting with a red one on a regular basis...

keep the red is a scam garbage out of this thread, or it'll have to be locked down...

speaking of this camera... yeah... it looks pretty wild... i actually posted about it some months back over on reduser... definitely not competition though... different beasts and price points...

later

futureman
06-21-2007, 01:12 PM
I figured someone would try to silence the facts, oh well... The RED may exist in the future, who knows... but as of now, no neutral party (i.e. camera review site) has held one. The RED website features 3d renders of the camera, with no actual photos, and the "gallery" has no clips bigger than 1080p, nothing in the 4k range.

Just my observations...

Cheesesailor77
06-24-2007, 01:48 PM
I would say that peter jackson would be the best third party any of us could ask for...

TimurCivan
06-24-2007, 03:47 PM
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red


Actual pictures. actaul footage, actual people. The blonde guy is JArred Land. I dont wanna hear this "red doesnt exist" crapola anymore.

Moseph
06-24-2007, 04:14 PM
Exactly, it definitely exists but its not mass produced as of this point in time.
Well I guess the Phantom is really in a whole different category but still its an absolutely amazing camera.